Eh, we'll have to agree to disagree for now, I think. I was worried about Honduras (if nothing else, broken collar bones are no joke!), they've had some very good form almost tying Brazil in Brazil, but I'm not nearly as worried about Haiti or Panama. Haiti's result against Panama was a cause for celebration by the Haiti team, Panama was disappointed and with good reason, Haiti hasn't looked great in their recent results and they are just happy to be here really. Panama got to the final last time around...but they haven't looked nearly as good in the run up to this Gold Cup, their last game before the cup was a 4-0 shellacking by Ecuador (though their win against Costa Rica in March probably gives them a bit of swagger). It would be absolutely shocking to me for the US to come away with anything but a win against Haiti, Panama could tie us but is almost certainly a win, Honduras was the only one I thought could wind up a tie.
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hoppyhoppyhippo
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Mexico really took it to Cuba who was missing several players (6 and coach were left on flight, one defected)
Grannyknot
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Was just having a look at the Europa league qualifying rounds. I had always thought they were spaced out some, but if you enter in the 1st round, you basically play every week in July & August until you are knocked out.
West Ham doesn't even get a summer break.
3 qualifying rounds, then a "play-off" round against teams knocked out of champions league qualifiers before the group stage is even drawn.
West Ham doesn't even get a summer break.
3 qualifying rounds, then a "play-off" round against teams knocked out of champions league qualifiers before the group stage is even drawn.
Yeah, kinda hard to win when a third of your team and your head coach aren't there. I mean, Cuba probably wasn't going to win...but they probably weren't going to lose that badly.
hoppyhoppyhippo
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What do you know, Tim Ream gets smoked on Haiti's best chance of the night 
Overall though I felt that Ream did a pretty good job. Even the play he had issues with is one that a lot of folks would get burned on. Nonetheless, little doubt that Ream needs to be 2nd or 3rd string at center back.
Overall it wasn't a pretty win, at all. It kind of felt like the USMNT were an engine that wouldn't keep running, they would string together some brilliant 1-2 passing for a few minutes and then they'd lose the ball a couple of times and go back to letting Haiti run at them. I think Klinsmann put in something of a "B" team for this match though, guys with an outside shot at a starting roster position. Guzan looked much stronger in this match, dare I suggest Tim Howard like? No. I don't. But still very good. Aron Johannsson also looked very good for the USMNT, if he got a little bit luckier he could very well have had 5 goals. I don't think the initial formation worked very well at all though, once Altidore came off Zardes played left winger, basically and the US looked a lot better in that formation. Overall, it's weird to say that the win that got a guaranteed 1st place in our group was disappointing, but it kind of was. Nonetheless, a win is a win, Panama is up next and they will be fighting for their lives, USA can rest some folks that need it or put their foot down and really stamp their authority on the tournament, I'm hoping for the latter.
Overall it wasn't a pretty win, at all. It kind of felt like the USMNT were an engine that wouldn't keep running, they would string together some brilliant 1-2 passing for a few minutes and then they'd lose the ball a couple of times and go back to letting Haiti run at them. I think Klinsmann put in something of a "B" team for this match though, guys with an outside shot at a starting roster position. Guzan looked much stronger in this match, dare I suggest Tim Howard like? No. I don't. But still very good. Aron Johannsson also looked very good for the USMNT, if he got a little bit luckier he could very well have had 5 goals. I don't think the initial formation worked very well at all though, once Altidore came off Zardes played left winger, basically and the US looked a lot better in that formation. Overall, it's weird to say that the win that got a guaranteed 1st place in our group was disappointing, but it kind of was. Nonetheless, a win is a win, Panama is up next and they will be fighting for their lives, USA can rest some folks that need it or put their foot down and really stamp their authority on the tournament, I'm hoping for the latter.
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hoppyhoppyhippo
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Ream really did nothing. I mean he wasn't terrible, but he was caught out of position a little too often. More than once he was the person last in line of the back line. A better team could have exploited that even more. Maybe Ream can successfully pair with Brooks, but we were lucky we weren't facing a better team. I also dont think it's a coindicence that their RW player got as many chances as he did. Garza had little help when he cut in. For example on the header opportunity, why were Ream and Gonzalez in the positions they were in? Just lots of issues in the back.
I'm hoping for the Brooks/GOnzalez pairing. It's the highest risk pairing and the highest reward pairing. Might as well see what they can do against a good opponent when the game doesn't matter.
I would also start Morales, neither Beckerman or Mix did much in their starts, might as well try Morales. Bradley has been great all tournament, but his partners haven't.
I liked Beckerman off the bench. He provided much needed covering when the legs of our CBs started to wear down, I think that will be important. He's not fast enough to start, he will get abused by guys like Gio Dos Santos and other fast wingers who cut in, but as a late sub when everyone else is tired, he can work that role well.
I also liked Zardes off the bench. In the first match after a bit he looked mentally tired. This time he came on and looked solid. If Jozy continues to not be 100% I think pariing him and Zardes would be smart. Jozy beats up and tires out the defense for the first half. Gyasi comes on and out runs them in the second.
No one really grabbed attention. I would ocnsider trying the Fabian/Garza pairing just to see if it would work. I know Jurgen likes Fabian at left full back because of his dual footedness and ability to attack wide or central, but if Garza is our second best full back, then we need to try to get him in there. And he looked good yesterday.
Also the first formation didn't work. It was an interesting idea to tinker with against a weak opponent, but it just didn't work. I think it was mainly because we got too central, and we're a team who likes to work wide to create passing lanes and work defenses.
This is what I'd do for the next game which again doesn't really matter
GK - Yarbrough (to cap tie)
RB - Johnson
CB - Brooks
CB - Gonzalez
LB - Garza
CDM - Morales
RM - Yedlin
LM - Bedoya
CAM - Bradley
ST - Jozy
ST - Dempsey.
I'm hoping for the Brooks/GOnzalez pairing. It's the highest risk pairing and the highest reward pairing. Might as well see what they can do against a good opponent when the game doesn't matter.
I would also start Morales, neither Beckerman or Mix did much in their starts, might as well try Morales. Bradley has been great all tournament, but his partners haven't.
I liked Beckerman off the bench. He provided much needed covering when the legs of our CBs started to wear down, I think that will be important. He's not fast enough to start, he will get abused by guys like Gio Dos Santos and other fast wingers who cut in, but as a late sub when everyone else is tired, he can work that role well.
I also liked Zardes off the bench. In the first match after a bit he looked mentally tired. This time he came on and looked solid. If Jozy continues to not be 100% I think pariing him and Zardes would be smart. Jozy beats up and tires out the defense for the first half. Gyasi comes on and out runs them in the second.
No one really grabbed attention. I would ocnsider trying the Fabian/Garza pairing just to see if it would work. I know Jurgen likes Fabian at left full back because of his dual footedness and ability to attack wide or central, but if Garza is our second best full back, then we need to try to get him in there. And he looked good yesterday.
Also the first formation didn't work. It was an interesting idea to tinker with against a weak opponent, but it just didn't work. I think it was mainly because we got too central, and we're a team who likes to work wide to create passing lanes and work defenses.
This is what I'd do for the next game which again doesn't really matter
GK - Yarbrough (to cap tie)
RB - Johnson
CB - Brooks
CB - Gonzalez
LB - Garza
CDM - Morales
RM - Yedlin
LM - Bedoya
CAM - Bradley
ST - Jozy
ST - Dempsey.
hoppyhoppyhippo
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Go Guatemala!
Ace_Club
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BadDeacon
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Any suggestions to watch the USA match tomorrow on a roku? We don't have cable.
Another week of MLS, but this week the most interesting drama happened off the field.
1. The MLS Silly Season Begins and Ends with TAM
In case you haven't heard, the "core player" rumor was actually a dud, but Target Allocation Money (or TAM) is something similar. Here's how TAM works: Every team in MLS gets $500,000 to spend in the next five years, but you can only spend TAM money if you have 3 or more designated players (or DPs) already. The TAM money can be used to either pay down a current DP to a non DP pay level (note: the player still gets paid, mind you) so you can acquire a new DP of the same or higher value, or you can spend it to bring in someone above the player maximum of roughly $435,000 as a non DP, up to 3 players at a time. One key thing to note is that you have to spend $100,000 per year or use it in the next year or it is gone, but you can use the whole bunch immediately all at once if you like. If that all seems way to complicated, then just put it this way: This could be used to bring in essentially a 4th DP for each team.
Now, there was a rumor floating around that LA wanted to pick up Giovanni Dos Santos as a DP using these new rules back when the "core player" rumor was floating around, is it possible under these rules? Well, kind of. Omar Gonzalez is making about $1.2 million per year, pro-rated as this is halfway through the year LA could use roughly $400,000 TAM to pay him down to sub DP levels and bring in a "fourth" DP for the second half of the year. The catch comes next year. TAM money can't be combined with other allocation money, so for LA to keep Omar using TAM, they must acquire roughly $600,000 TAM, or at least $800,000 regular allocation money, that's a big ask to make and people won't let that sort of allocation money go easily, LA could do it and try to win it this year, but they're almost certainly screwed the next. The teams this helps the most are actually teams in a situation like the Sounders, they pay Ozzie Alonso $400,000 as a DP despite that being under the limit due to his old contract, with the TAM money Seattle can pay down his salary comfortably for the entirety of the five years and bring in a shiny, new and expensive third DP (probably in midfield). In any case, TAM money makes this international window a whole lot more interesting for MLS teams.
2. Gold Cup Results And MLS Teams
With the Gold Cup almost done with the group rounds, a lot of teams look to be getting players back in MLS next weekend. Canada, Haiti and Cuba all sit last in their group and while it's possible they could claw out of it it's not very likely. Cuba, obviously means nobody back for MLS (embargo is still in place and all), but Canada means a massive group of 10 players will be coming back to MLS, key figures include Cyle Larin for OCSC and Russell Teibert for Vancouver, of all the teams Toronto gets the most back with 3 players coming back in. In third sit Guatemala, El Salvador and Honduras, there's not as many players there but of particular note is Marco Pappa, the Sounders third best goal scorer so far this season who has hardly been used by Guatemala, Guatemala sits worst of the three with 1 point and a -2 Goal Differential, so it's very possible Seattle will see their star midfield winger back soon. The US, of course, has the lion's share of MLS players on its team (12) so a lot of teams will be missing key players until the very end.
3. Defense Optional in NYCFC vs Toronto
Toronto and NYCFC apparently decided defense was optional in the 4-4 result today, a game that saw a record 4 penalties called (2 of them saved), Sebastian Giovinco netted a hat trick and an assist while David Villa got a brace and an assist. In Toronto's defense though, they are missing their two starting center backs and were down to their third choice at left back, once Toronto get some men back I think Toronto will be the scariest team in the east, if they can patch over some of their defensive issues they'll run rampant.
4. Philadelphia Upsets and Embarasses the Timbers
The Portland Timbers were in a prime position to overtake hated rivals Sounders FC on Saturday night, but Philadelphia found their scoring boots and put in the best performance of the season so far. Philly's defense still looks like a mess, but if the Union can keep opponents on the back foot like they did against the Timbers they will be a legitimate threat.
5. Colorado Have the Rocky Mountain Cup in Reach
Colorado might be having a tire fire of a season, but one feather they might be able to place in their cap is the Rocky Mountain Cup, a trophy for the winner of the series between RSL and Colorado. Colorado beat RSL by a stunning 3-1 on Saturday and if they can tie or win when they face RSL at home in October they could snatch the hardware away from RSL.
1. The MLS Silly Season Begins and Ends with TAM
In case you haven't heard, the "core player" rumor was actually a dud, but Target Allocation Money (or TAM) is something similar. Here's how TAM works: Every team in MLS gets $500,000 to spend in the next five years, but you can only spend TAM money if you have 3 or more designated players (or DPs) already. The TAM money can be used to either pay down a current DP to a non DP pay level (note: the player still gets paid, mind you) so you can acquire a new DP of the same or higher value, or you can spend it to bring in someone above the player maximum of roughly $435,000 as a non DP, up to 3 players at a time. One key thing to note is that you have to spend $100,000 per year or use it in the next year or it is gone, but you can use the whole bunch immediately all at once if you like. If that all seems way to complicated, then just put it this way: This could be used to bring in essentially a 4th DP for each team.
Now, there was a rumor floating around that LA wanted to pick up Giovanni Dos Santos as a DP using these new rules back when the "core player" rumor was floating around, is it possible under these rules? Well, kind of. Omar Gonzalez is making about $1.2 million per year, pro-rated as this is halfway through the year LA could use roughly $400,000 TAM to pay him down to sub DP levels and bring in a "fourth" DP for the second half of the year. The catch comes next year. TAM money can't be combined with other allocation money, so for LA to keep Omar using TAM, they must acquire roughly $600,000 TAM, or at least $800,000 regular allocation money, that's a big ask to make and people won't let that sort of allocation money go easily, LA could do it and try to win it this year, but they're almost certainly screwed the next. The teams this helps the most are actually teams in a situation like the Sounders, they pay Ozzie Alonso $400,000 as a DP despite that being under the limit due to his old contract, with the TAM money Seattle can pay down his salary comfortably for the entirety of the five years and bring in a shiny, new and expensive third DP (probably in midfield). In any case, TAM money makes this international window a whole lot more interesting for MLS teams.
2. Gold Cup Results And MLS Teams
With the Gold Cup almost done with the group rounds, a lot of teams look to be getting players back in MLS next weekend. Canada, Haiti and Cuba all sit last in their group and while it's possible they could claw out of it it's not very likely. Cuba, obviously means nobody back for MLS (embargo is still in place and all), but Canada means a massive group of 10 players will be coming back to MLS, key figures include Cyle Larin for OCSC and Russell Teibert for Vancouver, of all the teams Toronto gets the most back with 3 players coming back in. In third sit Guatemala, El Salvador and Honduras, there's not as many players there but of particular note is Marco Pappa, the Sounders third best goal scorer so far this season who has hardly been used by Guatemala, Guatemala sits worst of the three with 1 point and a -2 Goal Differential, so it's very possible Seattle will see their star midfield winger back soon. The US, of course, has the lion's share of MLS players on its team (12) so a lot of teams will be missing key players until the very end.
3. Defense Optional in NYCFC vs Toronto
Toronto and NYCFC apparently decided defense was optional in the 4-4 result today, a game that saw a record 4 penalties called (2 of them saved), Sebastian Giovinco netted a hat trick and an assist while David Villa got a brace and an assist. In Toronto's defense though, they are missing their two starting center backs and were down to their third choice at left back, once Toronto get some men back I think Toronto will be the scariest team in the east, if they can patch over some of their defensive issues they'll run rampant.
4. Philadelphia Upsets and Embarasses the Timbers
The Portland Timbers were in a prime position to overtake hated rivals Sounders FC on Saturday night, but Philadelphia found their scoring boots and put in the best performance of the season so far. Philly's defense still looks like a mess, but if the Union can keep opponents on the back foot like they did against the Timbers they will be a legitimate threat.
5. Colorado Have the Rocky Mountain Cup in Reach
Colorado might be having a tire fire of a season, but one feather they might be able to place in their cap is the Rocky Mountain Cup, a trophy for the winner of the series between RSL and Colorado. Colorado beat RSL by a stunning 3-1 on Saturday and if they can tie or win when they face RSL at home in October they could snatch the hardware away from RSL.
Ace_Club
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I don't have cable either. So, all the US games I watch are in spanish.
The game will definitely be broadcast on one of the spanish networks you can get over the air. The other option is to try one of their streaming channels if you are planning to watch it on your computer. Univision, Telemundo, one of those should have a free stream going.
Grannyknot
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What do you know, Tim Ream gets smoked on Haiti's best chance of the night
I actually thought Ream played pretty well. Besides a poor clearance that led to a shot from outside the box, I thought he did almost everything asked of him. Had some good interceptions & tackles, but his man marking was really good. Always seemed to be on the right side of his man.
Hoppy, I know you don't like him, and that you would be looking for any half chance to blame him for something, but my point is when you look at him compared to our other center back options, I think he should be considered for more playing time. I don't think he's ever going to be world class or that he needs to be playing for a better team, I just think that overall, our center backs are so bad that he really isn't far off being a starter.
hoppyhoppyhippo
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Ream wasn't horrific, but that's got less to do with his play and more to do with how not very good Haiti was. Him letting up 2 chances to Haiti doesn't look very good when they only had a few chances the whole game. Ream could have been worse, but he was certainly one of the worst players on the pitch for the US. Not quite Jozy bad, and Garza was probably the worst overall defender, but after those 2 he was next in the firing line.
ANd that doesn't include the fact that he was caught behind not holding the line several times and Haiti wasn't good enough to take advantage of that. Mexico will be. Maybe he pairs better with another style of CB, I'm not sure, but he certainly didn't give me any confidence when it comes to playing the big boys.
I'll say it again, tonight is the night to experiment.
Let Jozy stay out there longer, don't know if he's healthy enough for 90, but keep him out there to try to get a goal to get his mojo going the right way.
DO the Brooks/GOnzalez pairing. Panama is a good team who'll test those 2. While he may not be the best, Blas Perez is certainly a quality striker, and he'll test them. Same with Tejada. If they can control those 2 effectively we need to stick with them.
I'd also tweak the FB pairings. Maybe try Johnson and Garza or Chandler and Garza just to see if there's anything there.
I'd put Morales starting at CDM, and I'd put Bedoya and Yedlin out wide. ANd I'd cap tie Yarbrough, but that's a harder one because you also want Guzan to play and keep up his positive momentum. Hard choice there.
Grannyknot
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I guess we just have to agree to disagree.
Every single article I read said he played well, and most gave him a rating higher that Omar. If you think he was one of our worst players you are clearly blinded by trying proving a point.
Ace_Club
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Screw that! Jozy has played absolutely horribly the past two games. He looked like a house league player out there. Get him off the field and start somebody else. Maybe that will light a fire under his ass.
hoppyhoppyhippo
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He has been horrible. But he's the best striker we have. If he doesn't get going tonight, then bench him for more important games. Jozy has done this where he hits funks, but when he comes out of them, his form is second to none. If he struggles then bench him for Johannson for the knockout rounds.
hoppyhoppyhippo
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Well, except that he wasn't better than Omar. And every report I've read said the opposite. Even if we go with the notoriously pessimistic ESPN, who probably owuld have given Carli Lloyd a 9.5 in the WWC final. MLS seems to be more honest and better, and they had Gonzalez as the superior. Again that's not including the times that ream was the last defender to react to the line leaving potential holes.
Granted I have my reservations about Omar, he seems too willing to jump up into pressing players without concern for his line,
hoppyhoppyhippo
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So outlook on final group matches
US vs Panama - Game means nothing to US. Panama wins they come in second. They draw they need a draw from the other game to finish second. Good news with a draw, they have a decent chance of advancing with just one point as the 3rd place team. ONly way that doesn't happen is if Canada and El Salvador win in B, and Guatemala wins in C.
Haiti vs Honduras, a win almost certainly advances one of them to the 3rd place game. A draw doesn't likely do any of them good. Haiti would be out with a draw, Honduras would then need a draw from the CUba/Guatemala match, which given that CUba has already had 2 players and a coach defect, I think is unlikely.
Jamaica vs El Salvador - Group Champion could very well be on the line. If El Salvador can best Jamaica and move past Costa Rica on GD or Goals scored, they can win the group, Jamaica with a win wins the group, with a draw has a decent shot of winning the group depending on the result from the other match
Costa Rica vs Canada - Canada must win if they want to make the knockouts. Of course bad results could have them win and not make knockouts, but there's no way through if they draw. A draw should do Costa Rica OK. They can advance through to the next round with a draw as a 3rd place team with the right results, but they'll want the win and a shot at the group title or at th eleast safety in advancing. 2nd place in group B gets 2nd place in group C while 3rd place could get either first in A (America) or C. Probably rather stay in the safer spot, even if a team like Mexico falls into second.
Cuba vs Guatemala - Discussed this earlier, cannot see Guatemala not getting the win from this match. Cuba has been embarrassed twice now, Guatemala took a hit, but a win here puts them in great shape, even if they only go as the 3 seed this is a must win for them and a should win.
Mexico vs Trinidad and Tobago - Must win for Mexico. They don't want to wind up in the 3rd spot because they lost to Trinidad. A draw is semi-acceptable. But El Tri shouldn't be limping to the quarter finals. Like the USA winning the group should be a given for them. Luckily for them though, win and they go through as champions. They should win. Though Trinidad have had a great tourney, Mexico is a much better team and should win. It would be like if we had to beat Panama, we should beat Panama. Trinidad also lacks the personnel to do what Guatemala did to Mexico which was sit back and beat them up. THeir only hope is Mexico is still limping from that game and they sneak in some early goals. I don't think we'll see Herrera sitting back again on Dos Santos. If he does and Mexico doesn't win the whole thing, he could get Bob Bradley'd.
US vs Panama - Game means nothing to US. Panama wins they come in second. They draw they need a draw from the other game to finish second. Good news with a draw, they have a decent chance of advancing with just one point as the 3rd place team. ONly way that doesn't happen is if Canada and El Salvador win in B, and Guatemala wins in C.
Haiti vs Honduras, a win almost certainly advances one of them to the 3rd place game. A draw doesn't likely do any of them good. Haiti would be out with a draw, Honduras would then need a draw from the CUba/Guatemala match, which given that CUba has already had 2 players and a coach defect, I think is unlikely.
Jamaica vs El Salvador - Group Champion could very well be on the line. If El Salvador can best Jamaica and move past Costa Rica on GD or Goals scored, they can win the group, Jamaica with a win wins the group, with a draw has a decent shot of winning the group depending on the result from the other match
Costa Rica vs Canada - Canada must win if they want to make the knockouts. Of course bad results could have them win and not make knockouts, but there's no way through if they draw. A draw should do Costa Rica OK. They can advance through to the next round with a draw as a 3rd place team with the right results, but they'll want the win and a shot at the group title or at th eleast safety in advancing. 2nd place in group B gets 2nd place in group C while 3rd place could get either first in A (America) or C. Probably rather stay in the safer spot, even if a team like Mexico falls into second.
Cuba vs Guatemala - Discussed this earlier, cannot see Guatemala not getting the win from this match. Cuba has been embarrassed twice now, Guatemala took a hit, but a win here puts them in great shape, even if they only go as the 3 seed this is a must win for them and a should win.
Mexico vs Trinidad and Tobago - Must win for Mexico. They don't want to wind up in the 3rd spot because they lost to Trinidad. A draw is semi-acceptable. But El Tri shouldn't be limping to the quarter finals. Like the USA winning the group should be a given for them. Luckily for them though, win and they go through as champions. They should win. Though Trinidad have had a great tourney, Mexico is a much better team and should win. It would be like if we had to beat Panama, we should beat Panama. Trinidad also lacks the personnel to do what Guatemala did to Mexico which was sit back and beat them up. THeir only hope is Mexico is still limping from that game and they sneak in some early goals. I don't think we'll see Herrera sitting back again on Dos Santos. If he does and Mexico doesn't win the whole thing, he could get Bob Bradley'd.
hoppyhoppyhippo
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My half time change, pull Zardes for Yedlin, put him wide right, Bedoya wide left, have Morales and Beckerman play deep and let Chandler and Johnson range forward and have Bradley sit right behind WOndo.
I think we're gonna see Dempsey come in, which I'd do eventually as well
I think we're gonna see Dempsey come in, which I'd do eventually as well
hoppyhoppyhippo
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That was such a frustrating game. US wasn't great in the first half, but they were about equal with Panama had as many chances.
Overall US made some mistakes. Guzan was great, Bradley is a machine. Beckerman cannot play for 90. Just cannot.
Overall US made some mistakes. Guzan was great, Bradley is a machine. Beckerman cannot play for 90. Just cannot.
Ace_Club
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I agree. But throw on top of that the piss poor performance of the ref. Absolutely ridiculous the calls he was/wasn't making.
hoppyhoppyhippo
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The ref is the only reason Panama got a point. We should have had that FK on the edge of the box, and Tejada was offsides on the goal.
Grannyknot
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ref nearly lost control of the game last night.
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Altidore out for the knockout stage. I can't say I'm disappointed. He's not done anything this go around (IMO, he's been lacking since his stint at Sunderland)
I liked the combination of Johansson, Dempsey and zardes last night. Those three seemed to work creatively together.
I liked the combination of Johansson, Dempsey and zardes last night. Those three seemed to work creatively together.
Grannyknot
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Jozy has been a little off the pace for sure.
hoppyhoppyhippo
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Jozy Morales and Garza out. Gordon, Corona, and Beasley in.
Disagree with Morales for Corona. Guess they want someone who can play wide
Disagree with Morales for Corona. Guess they want someone who can play wide
