Texas, your savior is here!

[MikeFlynn74]

There's always been a lot of talk in Vermont about succeeding, some with tongue in cheek and some not. Palin's husband seemed to be involved for a time with a group that was STRONGLY advocating for Alaska's succession.

I suspect there's a lot of Vermonters whose response to Texas wanting to succeed will be - DON'T LET THE DOOR HIT YOUR ASS ON THE WAY OUT! (and if Vermont left, I'm sure lots of Texans would feel the same ).

AK sessionest have some legitimate gripes. Mostly states rights.

 

[Nitsua]

I was born and raised in TX
sometimes I feel like a little blue dot drowning in a sea of red.

On a different note, this country already had the "debate" over weather or not states may leave the union. We decided it by going through a Civil War, which was partially over States Rights. That war determined that once a states join the union they my not succeed.
While it is fun to talk about I can not believe that their is a serious chance of any state leaving the union. Its the outer fringes of any movement that get the most attention, and they usually do more damage for their argument than good.

FYI: The members of the EU are not require to stay

 

[DeathBrewer]

Not to pour gas on the fire... But thats what I am going to do anyway

This may not exactly be what any of the posters have been saying, but it is the definite vibe I have gotten; If you don't conform to the liberal/socialist/democratic/whatever mindset, you are labeled a fundamentalist, and only in the derogatory sense. It seems to me this kind of hate toward a differing perspective is no different than the very thing that is being bashed so adamantly. Instead of having a set of personal ideals that an individual/group wants to fight for to support, they must be "open minded" just enough to accept your brand of ideology

If some actor wants to run his mouth off, the automatic assumption is the entire state agrees with his perspective ,which I hope no one on here is ignorant enough to actually believe...

I would hope they wouldn't. I was talking about a type of people who behave in a way that terrifies and infuriates me. It's not my problem if they happen to fall into that stereotype. I don't like fundamentalist democrats, either...actually...I don't really like "democrats" or "republicans", at least not their absolute standards. I never was very good at being part of any team.

 

[Dr_Deathweed]

I would hope they wouldn't. I was talking about a type of people who behave in a way that terrifies and infuriates me. It's not my problem if they happen to fall into that stereotype. I don't like fundamentalist democrats, either...actually...I don't really like "democrats" or "republicans", at least not their absolute standards. I never was very good at being part of any team.

I know that DB, I was not trying to point you out. Your quote just happened to be the most succinct one that demonstrated my point

 

[Lil' Sparky]

If some actor wants to run his mouth off, the automatic assumption is the entire state agrees with his perspective ,which I hope no one on here is ignorant enough to actually believe...

Huh? What? Not every Texan wants Chucky as Pres? Well how 'bout Supreme Texan Lone Star Pontiff then? Who wouldn't want that? :rockin:

 

[kjung]

Not to pour gas on the fire... But thats what I am going to do anyway

This may not exactly be what any of the posters have been saying, but it is the definite vibe I have gotten; If you don't conform to the liberal/socialist/democratic/whatever mindset, you are labeled a fundamentalist, and only in the derogatory sense. It seems to me this kind of hate toward a differing perspective is no different than the very thing that is being bashed so adamantly. Instead of having a set of personal ideals that an individual/group wants to fight for to support, they must be "open minded" just enough to accept your brand of ideology

If some actor wants to run his mouth off, the automatic assumption is the entire state agrees with his perspective ,which I hope no one on here is ignorant enough to actually believe...

I don't think that's what anyone here is saying. When I've seen the word "funamentalist" thrown around, people are referring to religious fudamentalists, the kind of people who go around trying to quote the Bible (Often incorrectly), and try to pass laws on THEIR interpretation of what "God wants."

To be honest, I've seen more of the "liberal=socialist" mind-set here than what you're implying.

 

[bluehouse]

Dick Cheney alias Darth Vader
born :Lincoln, Nebraska, United States
represented: Wyoming

Does every person from Wyoming think like Dick Cheney?

Seems like the Dems are falling into the heard mentality right along with the grand old party boys.

 

[Lil' Sparky]

I don't think that's what anyone here is saying. When I've seen the word "funamentalist" thrown around, people are referring to religious fudamentalists, the kind of people who go around trying to quote the Bible (Often incorrectly), and try to pass laws on THEIR interpretation of what "God wants."

The problem is, there was a huge jump by implying that everyone that might consider the idea of secession is a wacko religious fundamentalist who want to control everyone and everything. If you think the idea is rediculous, that's one thing - debate the idea, but assigning the idea to a group of people you don't like and then hammering them is a cop out, not a convincing argument.

To be honest, I've seen more of the "liberal=socialist" mind-set here than what you're implying.

Where do you get this from?

 

[DeathBrewer]

Dick Cheney alias Darth Vader
born :Lincoln, Nebraska, United States
represented: Wyoming

Does every person from Wyoming think like Dick Cheney?

Seems like the Dems are falling into the heard mentality right along with the grand old party boys.

It just depends on what group you roll with and what is the majority in the area. Does everyone in Wyoming think like Dick Cheney? Of course not. Are there many who align themselves with his party and politics? Of course.

The general consensus in my home town are "god-fearing Republicans" but many of my friends and a few of my family are liberals. It's just out of the norm and they are "closet liberals" because admitting to be anything but a Christian Conservative would cause many low whispers and sidewards glances.

So, yes. There are people that fit the stereotypes. It's unfortunate that such people as GWB and Dick Cheney make for an unpleasant view of their "home" states, but I'll tell you right now that people in San Francisco do a lot of coke and think they are better than everyone else. People in Berkeley are either "new liberal" hipsters that go to UC Berkeley or filthy ******* hippies who are very exclusionary and self-centered. Oakland is much more diverse (and dangerous) but still has it's stereotypes. Most people in Oakland are liberal-minded but are too worried about their own skin to voice an opinion. Or they're ghetto pieces of trash who are threatening said skin.

 

[bluehouse]

In reality all politics is or should be based on financial considerations.
People who claim otherwise are mostly idealistic people who really think that they have the moral answers for everyone this applies to both ends of the spectrum.
In reality nation states are built on finance.
Does any state out there have the financial stability on it's own to be a seperate country?
Which ones come close?
I am not advocating succession by any means but if you are making a pro and con list you can say Texas has:
energy oil, gas, & wind.
farm land for food stuff including "the valley" which is pretty much year round production
farm land for cotton
ranch land for cattle & other protein sources
coastal boarder for access to shipping & international waters
mostly stable climate
large unpopulated areas for growth & development
good highway system for transportation

texas does not have
adequate resources to protect it's self from Mexico
good mass transit
adequate railways for alternate shipping

I'm sure there are lot of other conns to this topic.

 

[DeathBrewer]

Sounds like Texas needs to work on its infrastructure and transportation issues. It would be nice if every state did so, but there is no money. It's too tied up in squandering.

 

[kjung]

Where do you get this from?

Other threads in the Debate Forum

 

[IowaHarry]

A good bit of tension there kids. I thought the flame wars were supposed to go on in the debate forum.

"I'm kind of wondering why the Mods haven't shut this thread down", he said loudly to no one in particular.

 

[Dr_Deathweed]

A good bit of tension there kids. I thought the flame wars were supposed to go on in the debate forum.

"I'm kind of wondering why the Mods haven't shut this thread down", he said loudly to no one in particular.

Hahaha, wow, totally didn't realize this was not the debate forum... good ole' "new posts" button

 

[jmulligan]

My posting intention was not as a debate piece, I guess because I didn't take it seriously. It was just a "this is funny" item.

 

[Parker36]

I was all ready to make a Chuck Norris joke, and that was the whole thread. Classic.

 

[HenryHill]

Rush Limbaugh was born in Missouri his radio show broadcasts from NY, NY
Glenn Beck was born in Washington State his radio show broadcasts from NY, NY
Bill O’Reilly was born in NY, NY. He attended Harvard. His show broadcast from NY NY


Why are any of these things the fault of the people of Texas?

Chuck Norris is a B grade actor. He has never been elected to public office & has not until
This year been known for political commentary. He does not represent the people of Texas.

Yes the great idiot was our governor, but not everyone here voted for him and even if they had they were simply exercising their rights as citizens. People who say that you have no rights if you don’t agree with them are not liberal, they are not conservative, they are crazy.

I never said or meant to insinuate anything about Texans. My use of 'they' is in reference to the radical right wing that seems to not be able to coexist in America without wanting a revolution, or to need to have their own country to control.

I did think Texans had thicker skins, though.

If it's any consolation, I have been anxiously awaiting California falling off the end of the country since this was first mentioned in the 60's.

 

[IowaHarry]

The senator from Texas was going on about how everything is bigger in Texas when the senator from Alaska told him to pipe down or Alaska would split and make Texas the third largest state.

(rimshot please)

I'm not from the far left, far right or the far east. I'm the guy at the end of the bar mumbling to himself.









"WHO YOU CALLIN' A PSYCHO!"

 

[bluehouse]

yea Texas is a small little place with nothing to do and no one to see. Open plains, desserts, the Davis mountains, South Padre Island summers, Valley fresh citrus, Hill country cold tubing rivers, Highland lakes fishing, the BEST Mexican food in the world, river walk cantinas with 32 oz margaritas and frosty cold cervesa, big mouth bass in lake fork, 31" fat reds caught in the flats off Aransas bay, thousands of acres of open range with too many cattle to count. Dallas with fashion, finance & big hair, Houston with industry, shipping, oil & rowdy night life, Austin with keep Austin wierd mentality & hippy hollow & UT downtown crazy, San Antonio with blue collar bi-lingual small town big city atmospher, Corpus Christi looking out over the windy gulf of mexico. Nothing much to do, nothing much to see, boring backwater hick ass place.

 

[eschatz]

If Chuck is prez I'll piss on the Alamo. Me and Ozzy. :rockin:

 

[no1likesme]

yea Texas is a small little place with nothing to do and no one to see. Open plains, desserts, the Davis mountains, South Padre Island summers, Valley fresh citrus, Hill country cold tubing rivers, Highland lakes fishing, the BEST Mexican food in the world, river walk cantinas with 32 oz margaritas and frosty cold cervesa, big mouth bass in lake fork, 31" fat reds caught in the flats off Aransas bay, thousands of acres of open range with too many cattle to count. Dallas with fashion, finance & big hair, Houston with industry, shipping, oil & rowdy night life, Austin with keep Austin wierd mentality & hippy hollow & UT downtown crazy, San Antonio with blue collar bi-lingual small town big city atmospher, Corpus Christi looking out over the windy gulf of mexico. Nothing much to do, nothing much to see, boring backwater hick ass place.

I am pretty sure Mexico has the best mexican food in the world...

 

[bluehouse]

You are WRONG in my opinon I have eaten mexican food in many places in mexico, I like ours better

 

[Decojuicer]

If it's any consolation, I have been anxiously awaiting California falling off the end of the country since this was first mentioned in the 60's.

That is never going to happen!! The tectonic plates aren't shifting that way. Please stop saying that!!!

Sorry, nothing personal, it's just a pet peeve.

 

[MikeFlynn74]

That is never going to happen!! The tectonic plates aren't shifting that way. Please stop saying that!!!

Sorry, nothing personal, it's just a pet peeve.

But we can all hope

 

[DeathBrewer]

You are WRONG in my opinon I have eaten mexican food in many places in mexico, I like ours better

California has the best mexican food, too

Really...you can get anything or do anything in California. Plus we have a bigger you-know-what.

 

[Decojuicer]

But we can all hope

I would just be happy if Babs' Streisand house and the Robbins/Sarandon compound fell into the ocean.

 

[Skins_Brew]

...you can get anything or do anything in California.

...except find a job. Thats what I hears anyway. I am on the opposite side of America

+1 to California if they pass that Marijuana bill though. That takes balls.

 

[DeathBrewer]

A lot of people have been laid off around here and yeah, it's tough to find a job. There is a saturation of highly skilled people who are not willing to take lower-paying menial jobs.

 

[Skins_Brew]

thats probably the problem all over america though. For example, a large part of this stimulus is aimed at infrastructure. You really think some suit who works on wall street is going to be a road worker? Yea I didn't think so either.