SYRACUSE NY - ROUND 3 Group Grain Buy

[jhenderson27]

70 i like being unique.

 

[rustbucket]

so just for cidah and jhenderson... my smoked rye ipa, i opened a tester bottle... this is what i noticed on this... a good amount of smoke aroma and flavor... but you get the spice of the rye after the initial taste. i think im on the right track for something there...

What i was lookign for was smoke flavor with the spiciness of rye and the hit of hops in an ipa. on the aroma there isnt much of hops(next time dry hop) with less smoke just so its not over powering the rye.(im really digging this briess cherry smoked malt) once i fine tune this, it might be a good summer time beer imho. im really like it as is now.. right now its its alittle under carbed, but it really has a creamy mouth feel if you want to try it now.

(its not quite carbed yet.. need another week or two)

 

[rustbucket]

two gunz, i saw that you play volleyball in another thread, i just wanted to see where you play? if you read this lol

 

[TwoGunz]

two gunz, i saw that you play volleyball in another thread, i just wanted to see where you play? if you read this lol

I play at Trappers on Monday nights. I've played there for a few years on different nights. We've been more successful at drinking beer than winning though where do you play?

 

[rustbucket]

I as well play at trappers, Trapper 1 on Tuesday nights...., and trappers II in minoa Wed, an Thursdays

 

[TwoGunz]

I as well play at trappers, Trapper 1 on Tuesday nights...., and trappers II in minoa Wed, an Thursdays

Ha, small world, I've probably played against you before

 

[brehuh]

So my keg was left behind a cidahs place BC I am lazy and do jot clear my pms. Does anyone around Syracuse want a ball lock keg?

 

[brehuh]

Not*

 

[CidahMastah]

So my keg was left behind a cidahs place BC I am lazy and do jot clear my pms. Does anyone around Syracuse want a ball lock keg?

I was wondering where this mystery keg belonged.

 

[rustbucket]

cidah i still have to get up there and grab that six pack but maybe this weekend...

 

[CidahMastah]

cidah i still have to get up there and grab that six pack but maybe this weekend...

No problem - been crazy busy this week so far.

ARROGANT RESULTS

Ok - So did the taste test with 6 people this past weekend. I did a blind taste test - people got 4 glasses each and tasted and put them in order of favorite to least favorite.

So there was:

1. AHS Extract (did this one a while ago)
2. Your Arrogant brew (not sure what the recipe was)
3. CYBI Recipe (the AG one I gave you)
4. The real Arrogant

Basically it narrowed down to 3 and 4 being the top two best tasting, 5/6 said they liked the #3 better than #4. The #1 was generally picked as third favorite. Seems like in a head to the extract didn't hold up - you could taste the twang. While people liked it, the AG was better. That said everyone thought all four beers were very good.


1. CYBI Recipe (the one I gave you) (5 of 6 voted best brew)

General comments: Complex taste with smooth character and nice mouth feel. Slightly better than #2

2. The real Arrogant (5 of 6 voted second best brew)

General comments: THought was great, but felt #1 was more complex and had a better mouth feel.

3. AHS Extract Arrogant (5 of 6 voted third best brew)

General comments:Thought was good but the twang was described in various ways. One person liked this one over all brews.

4. Your Arrogant brew (6 of 6 voted third best brew)

General comments: people said that your brew was very different than the rest, like creamy almost, not enough hops.


When you taste mine - let me know your results. Though drinking 3 bottles of arrogant on your own is no small task - I hope your up for it

 

[rustbucket]

yeah, as i told you mine was weird... something went wrong or something screwed up... that will be a fun night .. ill prob be a little toasted... mine was much more malty and less bitter( i used 4oz Chinook at 15ish AA) i even adding an extra oz of bittering addition hops to it... to bring it (calculated) above or near 100 ibu it still was malty

its been so hot i haven't really been drinking anything except real light beers, (summer blonds that i have at the moment) tomorrow is going to be much cooler along with friday so i might give them a whorl... plus im looking forward to your other brews, just waiting for the right weather for them

i should be getting a new windshield for my car friday, so after that is done i might swing up if thats cool....

i opened another smoked rye this weekend.. i think its starting to get better with age. ( you should try it if you have not yet, or it could have been because i was 1/2 in the bag this weekend) but i think with some tweeking it will be a pretty good brew.

 

[CidahMastah]

btw: put the smoked rye in the fridge and hope to get to it tonight. Looking forward to it.

 

[rustbucket]

ok sounds good, im looking for comments on it... hope you like it! ... (remember its a first off recipe so it prob needs some modifying.)

 

[TwoGunz]

I pulled the trigger and bought some kegs. Now I'm working on figuring out the rest of my setup. I've got 4 kegs right now and would like to eventually build maybe 3-4 taps. Do you get disconnects for each of your kegs or only those you're actually going to have tapped?

 

[rustbucket]

on the gas side, you need a disconnect for everyone that is hooked up so that you can serve so if you have 3 taps, you have 3 gas disonnects. you will need disconnects for each of the taps you have on the liquid side too... its better to have one more gas disconnect if you have the room so you can force carb while the others are being served. (hope this all makes sense)

 

[TwoGunz]

on the gas side, you need a disconnect for everyone that is hooked up so that you can serve so if you have 3 taps, you have 3 gas disonnects. you will need disconnects for each of the taps you have on the liquid side too... its better to have one more gas disconnect if you have the room so you can force carb while the others are being served. (hope this all makes sense)

It does, thanks. So other than having 1 extra gas disconnect to carb, there's no sense in getting disconnects for extra kegs that I'll use for my pipeline but won't have on gas yet? I'm assuming they're easy enough to take off and switch kegs with and should be cleaned/sanitized anyways?

 

[rustbucket]

unless you want to carb more than 1 at a time.. you can.. for me i have just one because i cant move my pipeline fast enough... you will need one so that when you put the beer in the keg, so that you can perge it, and put the seals under pressure... or you can just disconnect one from another keg and so that... its really up to you.. im not sure what your planning on using for the kegs and what not (fridge/freezer/ext)

 

[brehuh]

Hey Cidah, can you send me your address? I *might* be able to have someone stop by this afternoon/night to pick up the keg if you are available. My brothers GF is coming to visit from Rochester.

 

[CidahMastah]

My system can only hold 4 kegs but I have 5 gas lines. I did this on purpose so I would have a longer line to reach out of the keezer to purge and pressurize kegs that are filled or empty for storage and/or conditioning. On that longer gas line I have a quick disconnect (think compressed air quick disconnect) so I can switch from a gas connect to a keg to my blichmann bottle filler. You can keep an idea like that in mind for your design, because you still will end up bottling and this makes bottling and keg maintenance much easier.


All that said I do double batches and other stuff like skeeter pee. I am constantly carbing 2-3 kegs at once while I have 1-2 on regular duty.

So to your qquestion I agree with rust - you may want to put in an extra gas line with disconnect beyond your taps, and an extra beer line disconnect. You might even want to get a party tap for quick tasting in the keezer (not sure how you plan to run your set up so this might not be needed). Sometimes you will forget to depressurize your keg before swapping out the beer line and get a mini geyser. Or some beer just leaks. In this case it is nice to take that connect off swap it out and soak the dirty one in sani.

 

[CidahMastah]

Rust - Tried teh smoked Rye

I think this might be my favorite beer from yours yet (maybe I am turning into a rye guy )

perfect carb, great head retention (similar to my rye IPA). It seems like you have a constant film of head for the whole glass.

I noticed it wasn't clear "see through", but come to think of it I don't believe my rye brew is either. I don't care about clarity though - it is good.

Great malt slightly spicy flavor I really enjoyed, though I didn't pick up smoke, or was confusing the smoke for spicy rye (you could probably up the smoke if you wanted). Good sweet balance with your mash - I would leave that as is. I would love to see your recipe as I would like to compare it to the rye IPA if you don't mind. I might try to make a honey rye based off of it later on.

Good work!

 

[rustbucket]

cidah, that is good to hear. Wow im surprised, because when i first tasted that.. the smoke was all i picked up. could be that you confused them or the smoke has diminished a bit?(maybe too soon tho)... but ill get you the recipe later on... i have to go dig it up.

I have no idea what my problem is with my beers( i always get chill haze and cloudiness) I have even tried the gelatin root, and still get it :/. maybe once i invest in a job ill be getting a filtration system.

 

[rustbucket]

ok here it is, ill just do it like a reg recipe on here

Yeast: Denny Favorite 50 ~1450
Batch Size (Gallons): 5.5
Original Gravity: 1.060 (got 1.066)
Final Gravity: 1.014 (got 1.016)
IBU: 70.3
Boiling Time (Minutes): 60
Color: 10.8 SRM
Primary Fermentation (# of Days & Temp): 21
Recipe based on 80% eff. (saw 87.6)

Grain:
7lb ~ 2 row
2lb ~ rye
1.5lb ~ smoked Cherry wood malt
1lb ~ 60L
.5lb ~ flaked barley

Hops:
- 1oz chinook (12.2) ~60min :39.1 IBU
- .5oz Sterling (7.0) ~60min (mainly just to get up ibu, did not want to open another pack for .5oz of hops, and use up old stock) :11.2 IBU
- .5oz Chinook (12.2) ~ 25min :13.6 IBU
- .5oz Chinook (12.2) ~ 5min : 3.9 IBU
- .5oz Centennial (8.00) ~ 5min : 2.6 IBU

Mashed at 154 for 60 Minutes

 

[CidahMastah]

cidah, that is good to hear. Wow im surprised, because when i first tasted that.. the smoke was all i picked up. could be that you confused them or the smoke has diminished a bit?(maybe too soon tho)... but ill get you the recipe later on... i have to go dig it up.

I have no idea what my problem is with my beers( i always get chill haze and cloudiness) I have even tried the gelatin root, and still get it :/. maybe once i invest in a job ill be getting a filtration system.

How long do your leave in your primary? I would suggest leaving it 3 weeks then racking to a fresh keg (if you don't already do that). Even leaving that keg out for 2 weeks before kegging would probably help with clearing. My IPAs sit out nearly 5 weeks at room temp from start to finish.

With Rye and wheats, my beers aren't exactly clear. But everything else is

don't filter! haha no you can, I just think filtering is a wast of time. Also I think the yeast adds something to the brew. If all my brews were chill haze I would still kep brewing them and disregard fining agents or filtration. But hey - to each his own.

 

[rustbucket]

i left it in the primary (as all my beers 3 weeks or 21 days) then i put into a clean keg... and force carb for a week.

for the rye I bottle conditioned. so that might have added a few things to it.. that is why you had to wait so long to drink it.

good point on the filtering (iv been tossing the idea around just recently)

alto the brown ale, that i had is finally clear like a filtered beer (but im trying to get rid of it right now, getting bored of it and want to put a pale in the fridge)

 

[CidahMastah]

Yup - tis' the season for wits, pales, hefe and IPA.

My fridge right now has:
1. Wry Smile IPA
2. Torpedo
3. Ed Worts Hefe
4. Skeeter

Soon to add a biermunchers witbier to that list.

 

[rustbucket]

iv never been a huge fan of wits, but pales, and ipa's i can drink day in and day out... that and on hot summer days a nice blond (giggity)

basically all in my line up until august unless i end up moving to ohio for a job. are ipa's, ryes, blonds and pales.

i was going to try your stout or porter last night (since i was cold and what not), but i ended up falling asleep before i could.... (ill try it soon)


btw because it got so hot this past week my denny wry fermented way to hot... i think like mid 70's what do you think that would do to it? im hoping not fusel Alc, or very little come from it.

 

[jhenderson27]

Cidah i had your porter last night. It had great mouthfeel, excellent choclate aroma. Carb wad good but definatly was not my style of porter. Was on the sweeter side and had a big malt backbone. I also think possibly a hint of blackpatent? I did not detect a hop to it, but could be due to the malt winning out. It was good, just not my style. I couldnt gef over how amazing the choclate aroma was. Very stoked for the amarillo pale.

 

[CidahMastah]

Rust - (I am trying to like the wit but right now I am not a huge fan of them - right now that is for the lady). Here is to hoping I can brew a wit I can enjoy.

I think your Wry Smile will be alright. Maybe it will need a little more aging if you get a hot alcohol taste to it. That IPA has a nice punch from the hops and spice from the rye. I bet there is some serious room for error on the ferment. In short I wouldn't worry.

If you like your smoked wry at all, you are going to love Denny's Wry Smile. That was a big hit at the memorial day gathering.

Jhenderson - if you are looking for a drier dark brew, the stout (and stouts in general) may be more to your liking. That porter definitely has a bit if sweet (mash is 152F) to balance the dark bitter flavors ... as you pointed out,... chocolate malt 3/4 lb and black patent 10oz for a 5 gallon batch . The specialty grain bill for that one is chocolate malt, Black Patent, and C120. Hops are a low profile in the beer at 25 IBUs (tettnang and willamette)

I am thinking about using some of the belgian candi for a stout or even porter next time through. 5 gallons with, and 5 gallons without and compare.

Forgot to tell you - I had one of your dark ones a 2-3 weeks back (planned on commenting on it when I had another one), I think a milk chocolate stout or something? I was putting up rain gutters and took two quick drinks and set it down to get my drill. Came back and Teton (the dog) had knocked it over and was lapping it up - so he loved it.

I got a few more pulls off of it, but not much of review worthy notes. It had some nice maltiness to it as I recall and I think it had a sort of creamy mouthfeel with a touch of sweet. I didn't get a pronounced chocolate flavor from it that I can recall and the aroma escapes my memory.

So alright that is two soldiers down for this tasting event - at least I got to drink the yeast filled hefe!

 

[CidahMastah]

Oh and jhenderson - I have another porter recipe that is supposed to be really good; though I haven't tried it. If you are digging for one, let me know and I can pass it along. It will be my next porter, but probably won't be made until fallish time.