Summit rhizomes

[wrench]

Are the hops police going to come knocking on the doors of anyone who bought the rhizomes already?

"No, no... those aren't hops. That's oregano!"

 

[jester5120]

it sucks cuz some of the guys on here got theirs before the mistake was caught. If i would have ordered just a little earlier I'd have some illegal hops. It's a well known fact that illegal hops taste better in beer

 

[Randar]

it sucks cuz some of the guys on here got theirs before the mistake was caught. If i would have ordered just a little earlier I'd have some illegal hops. It's a well known fact that illegal hops taste better in beer

I definitely wish I had bought some early on and gotten some. If any of you guys got them and have one to spare, please PM me!

 

[sweetcell]

I just got an email from willamette valley hops saying that they are in violation of the law and cannot ship the summit rhizomes. That sucks but it's kinda funny

wow, i suspect this is a big deal among the professional hops growing community... like on the level of a scandal. i hope WVH don't get in any trouble because of this. these slip-ups can result in burnt bridges.

supposedly http://www.barleynvine.com/ was also selling summit rhizomes... but they aren't listing their stock online. they claim to have extras, might be worth calling them and seeing if they have any summits (and if they do, order them on the spot - consider adding express shipping). i wonder if they've been warned about not selling any more summits.

that being said, i'm happy i got my two rhizomes before the leak was discovered i had mine in the fridge for two weeks and they went in the soil on saturday. a little mold started to grow on them while in the fridge, i cleaned it up as best i could before planting them. rookie mistake of mine for leaving them in the sealed plastic bag. i hope they come up alright. i'm a little worried about them, but at this point only time will tell.

if they do grow, y'all can hit me up for a trade in 3 years.

 

[jester5120]

Next year maybe they'll slip up with simcoe, amarillo or citra

 

[Dougan]

Yup, I got the same email, sucks. Really wish I could find a way to get one of these, I was really excited when I saw they were selling them.

 

[strumke]

My Summit rhizome peeked out of the soil today!

 

[Dougan]

barleynvine.com is a no-go

 

[sweetcell]

My Summit rhizome peeked out of the soil today!

congrats! i'm very much looking forward to being able to report the same in a few weeks. fingers, toes and various other appendages crossed.

 

[Paulasaurus]

Wow, I had no idea. Mine poked through a week ago! Rhizome was massive to say the least.

Now of course we'll see if it really is in fact a summit. Probably just a cascade, like I need yet another cascade

 

[jester5120]

Now of course we'll see if it really is in fact a summit. Probably just a cascade, like I need yet another cascade

I wondered about this. Besides wvh the only other company that claims to have them is a little known place in Georgia (barleynvine). How would they get their hands on them if no one else can?

 

[sweetcell]

I wondered about this. Besides wvh the only other company that claims to have them is a little known place in Georgia (barleynvine). How would they get their hands on them if no one else can?

STOP IT JUST STOP IT RIGHT NOW

on a somewhat more serious note, how will we know? i don't think anyone here is going to pay for chemical analysis, let alone DNA analysis.

i'll have a known cascade growing nearby, so i could visually compare the two once they grow, produce cones, etc. if they're different it won't prove it's a summit - would only prove it's not a cascade.

because summit is a patented/protected variety, i don't think anyone has ever seen a summit plant before so we don't know what they look like.

 

[Dougan]

Those of you who got them, when they came, did the packaging say "Sommet rhizomes -- Made In China"?

 

[mux]

Those of you who got them, when they came, did the packaging say "Sommet rhizomes -- Made In China"?

It came with this barcode on it.

 

[sweetcell]

weird - mine were made in north korea. glorious leader took a wild hop and turned it into a summit!

 

[jester5120]

STOP IT JUST STOP IT RIGHT NOW

on a somewhat more serious note, how will we know? i don't think anyone here is going to pay for chemical analysis, let alone DNA analysis.

i'll have a known cascade growing nearby, so i could visually compare the two once they grow, produce cones, etc. if they're different it won't prove it's a summit - would only prove it's not a cascade.

because summit is a patented/protected variety, i don't think anyone has ever seen a summit plant before so we don't know what they look like.

Haha sorry I'm just trying to make myself feel better about not getting any

 

[Randar]

because summit is a patented/protected variety, i don't think anyone has ever seen a summit plant before so we don't know what they look like.

In my own yard? No. But you can probably discern if it is summit in 2-3 years if...
1) It has a semi-dwarf growth habit
2) Hop teas smell like summit
3) acid content is very high in comparison to some known hops

Definitive as a DNA test? No. As close as you'll get? Probably.

 

[mux]

weird - mine were made in north korea. glorious leader took a wild hop and turned it into a summit!

Same communist agenda.

 

[jester5120]

we're building a pretty good story here. we've got conspiracy, scandal, deceit, and of course beer. Now all we need is a murder and some softcore porn and we've got a good novel. I can't say i'd read it, i'd just wait for the movie version. "Hops, a fall to the Summit."

 

[pm5k00]

I just put my Summit rhizomes in the ground monday and one has already poked through the soil. They where big too, bigger around than a nickel and 6 inches long with multiple shoots comming out. The Columbus I got where tiny though.

Did any one else think that the included instruction card was odd in that it said to plant the rhizomes vertical instead of horizontal?

 

[Dougan]

Different places say different things, I've heard both.

 

[sweetcell]

Haha sorry I'm just trying to make myself feel better about not getting any

oh, i know for my part, i'm trying to not worry about the mold that formed on my summits before i planted them. it formed because they were kept damp and without air circulation in the fridge. i cleaned them up and then planted them - where they will be damp and without air circulation. ugh. hopefully the mold will be eaten by other microorganisms in the soil, or the warmer temps will help. and if they don't make it, i'll jump on your they-weren't-summits-anyways band-wagon

Definitive as a DNA test? No. As close as you'll get? Probably.

actually, it's just occurred to me that my brother-in-law does DNA-level research on cancer. maybe i could convince him to sequence some summit hops from the store (i.e. a known sample), then compare it to what i'm growing... humm...

 

[sweetcell]

I just put my Summit rhizomes in the ground monday and one has already poked through the soil. They where big too, bigger around than a nickel and 6 inches long with multiple shoots comming out. The Columbus I got where tiny though.

my summit 'zomes were pretty small, disappointingly so. 3-4 inches long, definitely thinner than a permanent marker (more like a thick ball-point pen, or a smallish piece of asparagus). i planted on saturday and have been away on biz travel all week. i'll be back home tomorrow - fingers crossed that i can report some bines poking out too.

 

[Dougan]

I know my dad's 3rd year hops haven't shown any green yet, I went over and checked on them today. That's in Wisconsin, though. But we've been having southern temperatures all month so we shouldn't be too far behind you this year, if at all.

 

[Tangelo]

I was lucky enough to get one early from wvh. Planted in a pot a week and a half ago. She's nearly 20" now.
I live in zone 5 so I'm waiting a bit before getting her planted in the yard.

 

[bob1852]

we're building a pretty good story here. we've got conspiracy, scandal, deceit, and of course beer. Now all we need is a murder and some softcore porn and we've got a good novel. I can't say i'd read it, i'd just wait for the movie version. "Hops, a fall to the Summit."

Don't forget communists. We just need Nazi's and we've reached Godwin's law.

 

[Paulasaurus]

I just put my Summit rhizomes in the ground monday and one has already poked through the soil. They where big too, bigger around than a nickel and 6 inches long with multiple shoots comming out. The Columbus I got where tiny though.

Did any one else think that the included instruction card was odd in that it said to plant the rhizomes vertical instead of horizontal?

Mine came exactly the same, diameter was huge. MIne only had one bine about 1" long on it but it shot through the soil days after it was in the ground. I planted mine horizontal, not that it matters though.

 

[jester5120]

In the email i got from WVH they said since they couldn't legally send summit they'd give me double the rhizomes of my choice of varieties. I originally ordered summit 4 rhizomes. They sent me the 8 that i requested plus an extra 5 of some other varieties. Pretty decent of them.

 

[hitecgmblr]

where do commercial growers get their rhizomes?

 

[sweetcell]

8 days in the ground and no signs of life yet. ugh. how long did other folks' rhizomes take to poke up shoots?

between my 'zomes small size and the mold, i'm still a little afraid they won't pull through. i'll give them another week in hopes that they're just having a slow start. i know, i know... RDWHAHB.

besides, they weren't even real summits, right? :cross: