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chris2012

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Hi,

I'm just wondering, say wort had starch haze after mashing, would the wort remain hazy after both mash and boil.

So I mean, if the wort after boiling and using protofloc, was crystal clear, it would be unlikely that
after fermentation, the cause of haze would be starch related?

Cheers!
 
When a sample is cooled and the protein drops to the bottom of the sample and the wort is clear, the beer shouldn't haze when it's chilled down.
Alpha should have liquefied amylose during the saccharification rest period and there shouldn't be too much starch carried over. However, there's amylopectin in malt which is complex, heat resistant starch. The starch isn't affected because the temperatures used with infusion brewing methods are too low to burst the starch before Alpha denatures. The starch is thrown away with the spent mash. When the malt is crushed into powder starch carry over occurs because there's too much amylopectin in the mix for Alpha to liquefy before it denatures. The steps that cause dextrinization and gelatinization to occur which lessens the chance of starch carry over are left out of recipes because they require a lot of time.
Amylopectin contains tasteless, nonfermenting types of complex sugar responsible for body and mouthfeel in beer.
During mash out, the temperature is at the point where amylopectin enters into solution, but, Alpha denatures at the high temperature. Mash out is used with the decoction method.
Beer jells up after a very long storage period, by then, the beer has already deteriorated.
Skim off the hot break as it forms and continue to remove hot break until it ceases to form or drastically reduces before adding bittering hops. The extract is cleaner and less hops are needed.
To reduce hot break, when the bottom of the boiler is covered with extract stop adding extract and fire the boiler. When the extract begins to boil add a small amount of hops or a handful of crushed black malt and very slowly add extract without stopping the boil. Skim off the hot break as the boiler fills. It's a trick from way back. Less chance of boil over and the boiler can be filled higher. Hops and black malt reduce surface tension and that's about all there is about first wort hops.
 
Hi,

Thanks a lot for the in-depth reply!

I'll have to do some more googling about amylopectin.

The reason I was asking the question, was that I was worried about starch haze possibly being present in my beer, however it looks like that thankfully isn't the case, as adding gelatin seems to be clearing it now :)

Cheers!
 
When a sample is cooled and the protein drops to the bottom of the sample and the wort is clear, the beer shouldn't haze when it's chilled down.
Alpha should have liquefied amylose during the saccharification rest period and there shouldn't be too much starch carried over. However, there's amylopectin in malt which is complex, heat resistant starch. The starch isn't affected because the temperatures used with infusion brewing methods are too low to burst the starch before Alpha denatures. The starch is thrown away with the spent mash. When the malt is crushed into powder starch carry over occurs because there's too much amylopectin in the mix for Alpha to liquefy before it denatures. The steps that cause dextrinization and gelatinization to occur which lessens the chance of starch carry over are left out of recipes because they require a lot of time.
Amylopectin contains tasteless, nonfermenting types of complex sugar responsible for body and mouthfeel in beer.
During mash out, the temperature is at the point where amylopectin enters into solution, but, Alpha denatures at the high temperature. Mash out is used with the decoction method.
Beer jells up after a very long storage period, by then, the beer has already deteriorated.
Skim off the hot break as it forms and continue to remove hot break until it ceases to form or drastically reduces before adding bittering hops. The extract is cleaner and less hops are needed.
To reduce hot break, when the bottom of the boiler is covered with extract stop adding extract and fire the boiler. When the extract begins to boil add a small amount of hops or a handful of crushed black malt and very slowly add extract without stopping the boil. Skim off the hot break as the boiler fills. It's a trick from way back. Less chance of boil over and the boiler can be filled higher. Hops and black malt reduce surface tension and that's about all there is about first wort hops.

If you are scraping off the foaming proteins on top of the wort at the beginning of the boil you are removing the same foam positive proteins that will develop and sustain the head on your beer. These are glycol-proteins. Scraping these of will results in poor foam stability (head retention same thing) and is not recommended. The foam on top of your beer is where the alpha acids and essential oils from the hops concentrate. Without a sable foam on your beer you will have a more watery beer and not be able to taste the hops and malty profile in your beer. What is recommended and what is industrial breweries do is add ferm-cap, which is a lipid and prevents these proteins from surfacing during the boil to prevent boil-overs. These glycol-proteins should not produce starch haze.
 
Hi,

Thanks a lot for the in-depth reply!

I'll have to do some more googling about amylopectin.

The reason I was asking the question, was that I was worried about starch haze possibly being present in my beer, however it looks like that thankfully isn't the case, as adding gelatin seems to be clearing it now :)

Cheers!

Ahh a poor flocculating yeast. Where do you buy your isinglass online?
 
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