Well perhaps im just misunderstanding what you were implying in your original response.
Because they appeared to imply standard CIP with cleaners readily available to homebrewers such as pbw and saniclean or star san would not be sufficienct and that everything in fact should be disassembled between each and every brew session unless a homebrewer has the caustic chemcials that (Some) breweries use... This was in direct response to sicktght311 asking why simple CIP wouldnt be sufficient.
We are only discussing what most homebrewers do which is without said special caustic chemicals which many smaller breweries like myself do not use due to costly shipping and in some cases special disposal requirements and even permits needed. PBW when used at the correct temp range with the correct pressure and when rinsed before an acid sanitzer is used such as saniclean or star san will in fact do well enough of a job to clean and sanitize a conical fermenter without complete disassembly on a component level each time. These cleaners available to the public and homebrewers are "real" effective cleaners. PBW does mean "powdered brewery wash"
I'm sure we all know this but much of the information on probrewer does not pertain to every size and type of setup. Theres more conversation for micro breweries as far as process than nano setups it seems to me. There are a lot of vendors as well as brewers endorsing certain products, sometimes so much that it makes a person question true intentions. I asked a lot of questions while speaking with different brewers and owners over the years and found there can be a pretty big variance in what many do and use as far as equipment.. In some cases this can be misleading or intimidating.
Your three recent posts are confusing. While I can’t control someone’s thinking, I can try to focus on what was written. To me, it appears you did not read what I wrote thoroughly. Then based on what you did read, you added or interpreted items that were not said or implied. Now, you suggest I implied something that I wrote as your excuse.
Let’s be clear, rather than reposting a third time what I wrote, just read it for what was written and try not to add anything else. To recap:
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Your post #1396 said “if you think…your (sic) wrong” regarding probrewers CIP - It has already been established that I mentioned that probrewers CIP. So why post that? I’m not sure you could come to a conclusion of what my belief was. I don’t believe I was “wrong” for posting what I posted.
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Your post #1396 said to see for myself that probrewers CIP and to go to probrewer.com This has been already established that I mention reading about how probrewers CIP on probrewer.com.
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Your post #1396 states when commenting about caustic chemicals probrewers use that “We have been told we may eventually need them due to beerstone…” Seems like you are going full circle here. You have been told to use the caustic chemicals like other breweries but made the decision not to.
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Then to my surprise your post #1398 states you disassemble home brewer items for cleaning as can be seen with “At home I removed my valves and cleaned the tc ports but then again at home I wasnt always using BF valves and I wasnt using cip either. many SSbrewtech users out there are using thier older conicals without disassembling the weldless fittings or ports for the coils in the lid each time and Ive read this from them on here numerous times..” What! You don’t CIP at your home brew setup! Then why the posts? Why the focus on my post? It sorta contradicts what you posted before.
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Your post #1401 is even more confusing. You write “We are only discussing what most homebrewers do which is without said special caustic chemicals….” Yet, when I somehow mention what I read on probrewer and mention what I was told, that complicated things? Really? It is worth repeating that you do NOT CIP with your home brew setup so I have no idea why you are writing what you are writing.
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Your post #1401 suggests not consider everything read on probrewer.com since it “does not pertain to every size and type of setup.” Yet in your post #1396, it suggests I go to probrewer.com when you wrote the last sentence “There are discussions on this topic on probrewer if you want to see for yourself.” So, on one hand I should go to probrewer.com and then on the other hand, sorta ignore their basic processes that are discussed since they are of different size, etc.
Look, I have no idea what motivated you to imply things and write things about my beliefs or things I never implied or wrote. I have no idea why on one hand you CIP using PBW and starsan at work (even though you have been recommended to use caustic chemicals), and then on the other hand with your home brew, you disassemble items for cleaning. From my point of view, you are talking out of both sides of your mouth. When I see that, I wonder why one would be arguing that way.
For whatever reason, you have put in way too much time focusing on and changing my statements. Based upon your pattern above, how about stopping this contradictory non-sense.
