So Tomorrow, I Cold Hop

[waterskj]

Post Fermentation Hopping..PFH.

Could be good until that food babe writes another artical denoucing beer for containing ... PFH

 

[Steadfast707]

Maybe not have it linked to temperature but the brewing process so Completion Hopping or Final Hopping?

 

[h22lude]

Are you all just going to ignore this? I thought it was brilliant but I would call it fermenter hopping/ed, to reduce the syllables.

Ambient hopped is a misnomer if you are brewing a lager which is likely below the ambient temperature, or an ale in your garage in winter which is likely being heated above ambient temperature.

I like cold hop but I also keg hop which I think would be a more appropriate use of the term cold hop. So if I give someone a bottle of beer and say I cold hopped it, obviously this didn't occur unless it was bottled from a tap.

Thoughts?

I thought everyone missed it lol I thought it was pretty good. I guess some would say you can dry hop during fermentation (fermentation hopping) or after fermentation is complete (do we need to think of a name for this?) so fermentation hopping isn't a catch all.

Maybe not have it linked to temperature but the brewing process so Completion Hopping or Final Hopping?

Or to my original thought, fermentation hopping. Sure, you can dry hop during fermentation and after so you could make the argument that it isn't always "fermentation" hopping but close enough lol

 

[Singletrack]

It's true that dry hopping is a misnomer but cold hopping is equally so. We cool hop, warm hop, and room temp hop but cold hopping just doesn't work. The hop oils won't disperse properly in cold beer. That's why even when we keg hop we leave the hops in at warmer temps for a couple days before chilling the keg.



To convince me you'll have to come up with a term that is a better descriptor of the technique that rolls off the tongue as easily or easier than dry hop. Cold hopping ain't it.

Now that is a thoughtful comment with a compelling argument. Thank you for that.



Please allow a sincere, if unentertaining, rebuttal.



We are hearing in this thread that "cold" hopping doesn't seem quite right, because the beer generally isn't really cold during cold hopping. After considering nearly every alternative that has been proposed in this thread, I still am a proponent of the term "cold hopping" for a number of reasons, but I acknowledge the validity of your objection. (And I am still open to the silver bullet idea that I may have missed.)



However… There is no such thing as cold, scientifically. There is only the absence of heat. If "cold" is the complete absence of heat, then beer is never truly cold. Clearly, you are defining cold in some other way, such as the temperature of food (beer) in your refrigerator. That's a reasonable, practical definition of "cold," but I ask you to consider a broader definition.



Many brewers come from a scientific or engineering background, and they may have a different understanding of the word "cold." Cold is relative, and compared to hopping in the BK, cold hopping is cold. To science-minded brewers, cold hopping may make complete sense. So what? If it doesn't make sense to you, it doesn't make sense to you. I understand that. But I think you will admit that "cold" hopping makes more sense than "dry" hopping. The beer is more "cold" than it is "dry" during cold hopping.



For now, that's all I got on "cold," because it seems you're not biting on the whole "relative to global warming" thing. On the other hand, you were tempted by the "and some cold hop in their serving kegs" thing, weren't you.



Finally, the end of your message hit an extremely important point, that cannot be overlooked if we really are going to make a go of this. You said, "To convince me you'll have to come up with a term… that rolls off the tongue as easily or easier than dry hop." Right on. I'd like to tackle that point in a subsequent post.

 

[dano]

Finnish hopping, unless you're a fin and find it objectionable...

 

[Singletrack]

Or fermentation hopping

Are you all just going to ignore this?

No, I certainly am not ignoring any of the posts in this thread, as I feel we are about to change the world of beer. As you probably know, I am a slow typist (due to QWERTY), and -- truth be known -- I don't think much faster than I can type.

Anyhow... lots of merit to this suggestion! But let's face facts. "Dry hopping" works on many levels, and it will not be easy to dethrone it. Consider these 3 sentences:

1. So tomorrow, I dry hop.
2. So tomorrow, I cold hop.
3. So tomorrow, I fermentation hop.

Number 3 is a loser on awkward syllables alone. We could shorten it to ferm hop, but "firm" is already a word, and a weak one. Better to "hard hop" than "ferm hop."

Then there's the technical challenge that fermentation is actually complete or nearly complete during cold hopping. That leads us to post-fermentation hopping, as if we needed another syllable.

Mark the words of @Fedora; this term needs to roll off the tongue, or it is DOA. Beer brewers like to advertise their dry hops. Neuter the term, and you've neutered our beer. That won't happen.

 

[Fedora]

Now that is a thoughtful comment with a compelling argument. Thank you for that.

Please allow a sincere, if unentertaining, rebuttal.

We are hearing in this thread that "cold" hopping doesn't seem quite right, because the beer generally isn't really cold during cold hopping. After considering nearly every alternative that has been proposed in this thread, I still am a proponent of the term "cold hopping" for a number of reasons, but I acknowledge the validity of your objection. (And I am still open to the silver bullet idea that I may have missed.)

However… There is no such thing as cold, scientifically. There is only the absence of heat. If "cold" is the complete absence of heat, then beer is never truly cold. Clearly, you are defining cold in some other way, such as the temperature of food (beer) in your refrigerator. That's a reasonable, practical definition of "cold," but I ask you to consider a broader definition.

Many home brewers come from a scientific or engineering background, and they may have a different understanding of the word "cold." To them, cold hopping may make complete sense. So what? If it doesn't make sense to you, it doesn't make sense to you. I understand that. But I think you will admit that "cold" hopping makes more sense than "dry" hopping. The beer is more "cold" than it is "dry" during cold hopping.

For now, that's all I got on "cold," because it seems you're not biting on the whole "relative to global warming" thing. On the other hand, you were tempted by the "and some cold hop in their serving kegs" thing, weren't you.

Finally, the end of your message hit an extremely important point, that cannot be overlooked if we really are going to make a go of this. You said, "To convince me you'll have to come up with a term… that rolls off the tongue as easily or easier than dry hop." Right on. I'd like to tackle that point in a subsequent post.

I'm probably not gonna word this right because of five (now six) dry hopped beers but here we go.

Regarding your scientific statement of cold not existing. Yes, it's technically correct but have you ever cracked open a room temp beer, taken a drink and thought, "Man, that's cold."? I haven't. Then again, I'm not a scientist or an engineer.

I had to explain dry hopping again today. Every time I explain what it is, I say, yeah, I know, it really should be called "cold hopping."

.

Here in your OP, you say the reasoning behind all this is because you had to explain the technique. Doesn't sound like you were explaining it to a scientist who brews but a layman. If you told them you cold hopped the beer they would almost certainly assume refrigerator cold because that is the common use of the word.

I know this thread was started in good fun and I'm all for good fun but I happen to like the term dry hop. Call it whatever you want as long as long as I get my lupulin fix.



Silver bullet incoming...

 

[Fedora]

But I think you will admit that "cold" hopping makes more sense than "dry" hopping. The beer is more "cold" than it is "dry" during cold hopping.

Silver bullet.

Dry doesn't necessarily mean the opposite of wet. In brewing terms, it also means the opposite of sweet. Fresh wort is sweet. After fermentation the beer is not sweet. It is relatively dry.

We add hops after the beer is dry, thus dry hopping.

 

[jonny24]

Hmm... fermentation hop isn't right. Neither is secondary, as we don't secondary any more. Is it even secondary? Is the boil Primary? what about FWH?

I propose this arguement in favour of cold: We refer to it at the "cold side", as in post boil, when we talk about sanitation. So we already use "cold" for this area.

 

[RTL]

Great point. Also mentioned previously the german word for it means cold hop, so if someone argues against it on the grounds of tradition we could say they are incorrect there as well. Unless of course they go digging through the history and it turns out it was called dry hopping originally, who knows.

Again I advocated fermenter hopped/ing as opposed to fermentation to reduce the difficulty of saying it while imbibing. No bites on that one? It also dispels the idea that the beer has to be actively fermenting, it specifies a vessel not a brewing stage.

On a side note there is a school of thought (and science) that says that yeast can biotransform geraniol to citronellal during fermentation, so some fermenter hops should be added before fermentation in addition to after, this term could encompass all of these additions. I know some breweries hop in the brite tank but I don't think many homebrewers have a brite tank so we should be okay in that respect. Historically some beer was hopped in the cask but it doesn't sound like common practice anymore, and anyway I think it would be dubbed cask hopping in its own right.

 

[tim_c7]

fermentation vessel hop soaking?

 

[dunbruha]

I still like "cool hopping" because it's, you know, cool.

 

[Singletrack]

Well, @Fedora is out, but that's okay. We have a big tent, and there is a role for everyone. For the next 10 years, when we say "cold hop," we need someone to say, "It's called dry hop, dork."


The payoff comes a couple decades from now, when we need someone to say "dry hop," so we can give them the ole, "Dude, nobody says that anymore. It's cold hop." Can't wait.

 

[Fedora]

Lulz. Y'all enjoy your revolution.

 

[Singletrack]

Sometimes I'm distracted by unimportant stuff, and I have been neglecting the cold hop revolution. Sorry about that.


As an alternative, how about "slow hop?" "Slow" is sometimes advertised as a positive attribute for products. Slow churned ice cream. Slow roasted pig parts. Slow-brained HBT post. (Couldn't think of a third.) Anyhow... cold hops do their work slowly vs. BK hops, so how about slow hopped?


Personally, I don't like slow hop as well as cold hop, but maybe it would grow on me.


At this point, I think the best strategy is to use whatever term you prefer for cold hopping, other than dry hop. Then we can see what sticks.

 

[JohnSand]

You could try "Smart Hopping" tm*
People love stuff that says "smart", even when it's stupid.

 

[catdaddy66]

I had to explain dry hopping again today. Every time I explain what it is, I say, yeah, I know, it really should be called "cold hopping."

I think we can change the name. I think we should. I think it is our duty, and we must.

You may resist based on a sense of tradition. Tradition. That's why we have the stupid QWERTY keyboard, you know, because it makes people type SLOW enough that manual typewriters don't jam. And that's why we have U.S. customary units of measure. And that's why we have a calendar that can't easily be memorized from month to month and year to year. (Ask about my idea for an improved calendar, if interested... but I won't hold my breath.)

There is probably some ancient dude laughing his a$$ off that he got drunk and accidentally coined the term "dry hopping" by mistake, and now a bunch of sheep just keep saying it, as if it makes sense. Okay, maybe that dude is dead by now, but...

So tomorrow, I cold hop.

...

 

[JohnSand]

Thanks, I needed the laugh.

 

[JimRausch]

I forgot to post on this thread, but last weekend.............I cold hopped.

 

[FatDragon]

Count me in on the cold hop revolution! In fact, I'm cold hopping an APA (that kind've turned into an IPA when I put the 10 minute hops in at 60 minutes, oops) right now.

It took several explanations before I understood dry hopping when I started brewing. NOTHING IN THE PROCESS IS DRY, FOLKS! (except the outside of the bucket, I guess)

 

[day_trippr]

[...]NOTHING IN THE PROCESS IS DRY, FOLKS! (except the outside of the bucket, I guess)

And the hops.

Or are you rebels using wet hops to DRY HOP?

Cheers!

 

[FatDragon]

And the hops.

Or are you rebels using wet hops to DRY HOP?

Cheers!

Not once they're in the beer. If you're "dry hopping" when you put dry hops in fermenting beer, why aren't you "dry hopping" when you put dry hops in boiling wort?

 

[JohnSand]

I try to stay dry during any kind of hopping, but it rained on my brewday. Just to be safe, I threw in some fresh picked wet hops.

 

[dunbruha]

How about "post-hopping"? Although it overlaps some with whirlpool hopping, it does encompass the flavor/aroma addition vs bittering during the boil.

 

[TeamAshBrewing]

Should we change the name hamburger too?

 

[nDub]

Should we change the name hamburger too?

Don't you mean "freedomburger"?

 

[JimRausch]

Hey guess what?
I Cold Hopped yesterday.

 

[Singletrack]

Hey guess what?
I Cold Hopped yesterday.

Well, what was it? What beer? What hops? When you say "cold" hopped, I assume you dumped them in from the freezer?

 

[Gemadrken]

It's true that dry hopping is a misnomer but cold hopping is equally so. We cool hop, warm hop, and room temp hop but cold hopping just doesn't work. The hop oils won't disperse properly in cold beer. That's why even when we keg hop we leave the hops in at warmer temps for a couple days before chilling the keg.

To convince me you'll have to come up with a term that is a better descriptor of the technique that rolls off the tongue as easily or easier than dry hop. Cold hopping ain't it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cold_fusion

 

[Fedora]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cold_fusion

Ok. From the article:

"There is currently no accepted theoretical model that would allow cold fusion to occur."

Whut's your point?