remilard
Well-Known Member
?? I thought BMC (one of them) owned Sam Adams.
Ever notice how the ads NEVER use the "bland dull American beers" anymore? Can't bash yourself.
Boston Brewing Company is independent.
?? I thought BMC (one of them) owned Sam Adams.
Ever notice how the ads NEVER use the "bland dull American beers" anymore? Can't bash yourself.
I can walk down to my local 7-11 and buy SA and i can do the same pretty much anywhere else.....to me that is not a craft brewer. I have never seen a national ad for the other bigger "craft" brewers like Stone, Dogfishhead, Rogue, Sierra Nevada etc yet i can see an SA one every day. That disqualifies them in my book!
Re-read the replies. Not everyone.
To all BBC haters:
1) BA is a trade organization. Back in the day they set up some definitions to define who they were and some goals to define where they wanted to be. That way they could exert some political pressure (among other things) on legislative bodies to help them grow. Lobbies and legislative efforts are not exclusively used by AB, in fact the AHA has a lobby tio protect your damn rights as a home brewers, so get off that high horse.
2) The BA used the existing excise tax designations to exclude the largest 3 breweries. They used "independently owned" to stave off big 3 buy outs from diluting their trad organization.
3) The entire point of the BA is to GROW. To get big! To have a larger marketshare for craft beer. If you kick out members that make craft beer once they are successful is completely insane.
4) One of BA's stated goals is to obtain 10% marketshare. If you kick out BBC, the BA loses about 20% of it's barrelage to about 3.5% marketshare plus one of it's most prolific spokesmen and champion. If you dis' Jim Koch, I will fight you!
If you've had just a handful of BBC's beers and you are a homebrewer, then I will tell you that Jim has probably spent more money on you then you have on them.
I'll say it again.
If you've had just a handful of BBC's beers and you are a homebrewer, then I will tell you that Jim has probably spent more money on you then you have on them.
BBC is craft beer, Craft beer isn't just beers you like.
Most certainly. Between them and Mega Target WalMart does have the lowest prices and the larger selection.
How on earth has it become shiek to be irrtated by success.
Because they barter down the suppliers? Well, those suppliers weren't forced to do business with them.
Because it hurts Mom and Pops? Sorry. Too bad. That's business and business is a competition.
Lack of service? Yeah. I am smart enough to read a fooking package to know that I got what I need. Don't need "Ed" to decide that for me.
How on earth has it become shiek to be irrtated by success.
Liberals. They despise success and profits. They believe that corporations exist to screw people, so they must be punished. That explains it.
Gosh, they're terrible right? Providing goods we want of a decent, consistent quality for a reasonable price. Terrible.
More power to the BBC, our current tax code is ridiculous and arbitrary.
Awesome post. Why does more than half this board bash a large company that they could never conjure up in their wildest dreams?
Every American should want to be that successful starting their own business, the zenith of independence and sheer will. If you never have that dream or don't want that dream I feel sorry for you.
"Big is not always better," Maytag says during an interview in his book-lined office. "Small companies like ours can still knock 'em dead."
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"We realized we didn't have to sell out and bring in new investors and capital,"
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"We realized it would change all the things we loved about this place."
I have enjoyed, and continue to enjoy several beers made by the Boston Beer Co.
I don't know Jim Koch. I neither like nor dislike the man. But look at his background: JD, MBA, and work at the Boston Consulting Group. For those who aren't familiar with BCG, they basically train people to maximize profits for companies by finding and exploiting even the tiniest margins. He is a businessman first and foremost. Again, this is neither a good nor bad thing. It's his company--he can run it however he wants. He has, as far as I can tell, been an advocate for Craft Brewers, which we can all agree is a Good Thing. That doesn't mean that he is still one. Regardless, I don't see the need to rush and anoint Koch as some sort of messianic figure. A cynic could even see his generosity during the hop shortage as a cheap marketing stunt. Contrast his growth with the approach taken by Fritz Maytag, formerly of Anchor Brewing:
http://www.usatoday.com/money/smallbusiness/2006-10-25-bonus-staying-small_x.htm
Of course, Maytag finally sold Anchor a few months ago. We'll see how that works out in the long term.
And back to the numbers, the ever-helpful Wikipedia puts BBC at 1.4 MMbbl/Y and Yuengling at 3.6. Both companies offer light beers, which is where I personally draw the line between craft brewers and places where the accountants have taken over. YMMV.
I just find it "interesting" that Koch wants to change the tax system so that he can continue to call himself a "Craft Brewer".
I tried to make a similar point a few pages ago. Apparently, this destroys the debate, so people ignore it.The term "craft brewer" is defined by the Brewers' Association. It has nothing to do with the excise tax bill.
Plus it isn't like the BA's definition has the force of law. BBC could continue to label themselves "craft brewer" - or anything else they want - no matter how large they get.
Why all the hate for Sam Adams as a craft brewery?
They're beers are NOTHING like commercial beers. They've just had great success.
I doubt the money is the issue with Sam Adams, but I'd hate for them to just be labeled in the same category as Coors and Budweiser. They're just not.
Put down your big paintbrush. This isn't the debate forum.
Apart from that, I'm reasonably sure Jim Koch is a Democrat.
What really kills me about this taxation system is how arbitrary it is; the double standard also eats at. Rules regarding taxes or whatever else should apply to everyone or no one.
I think the problem is how the tax is structured. Selling more than 2 million units triggers a retroactive tax on the first 640k. This means that if a company is going to sell more than 2M, it needs to sell a lot more just to make up the 660k in taxes.
They'll call themselves whatever they want (craft), this is 100% about $.
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