Roofer took over my side yard

[JONNYROTTEN]

"jumping to conclusions and labeling people or companies as "bad".....none of which you did...but others on this thread have is wrong..."

Wow, nobody started calling anyone names until you popped in to defend subpar, uncaring contractors..."over a plant , a plant " and what you assume is only $200.
You seem to like the word *********s. I also think you have anger issues.


OP said there was damage to his 1 yr old siding as well.
I have also been a contractor and have installed siding on many homes during my 24 year carpentry career after I left the landscape industry. I have a good idea what material costs, the time it takes to go get it at the supply house, IF its not a special order color or style. The wait and cost because you cant just special order one or two pieces, you have to buy an entire box. Then a crew has to be scheduled to go make the repairs. In the meantime, the elements and insects can enter the damaged site, causing further damage, possibly structural. Worst case scenario, I know.

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I dont have anger issue at all.This is what I do for a living so I take it personally when people start contractor bashing. I dont know the contractor obviously...and neither do you but yet you feel the need to call them "subpar" judging an entire company on one picture....thats wrong.

My take on the thread is this,
The neighbor is getting his roof done directly on the property line.
Thing are landing on his yard, OP talks to contractor and they do there best to protect the property
Op is upset about debris on property and damage to plants
This is all within a 24 hour period
Homeowner has not even had the chance to talk to the neighbor or contractor within the 24 hour period when posting the first post.

Instantly the response from some here was
Call the police
call the insurance company
file a report
Get him for trespassing
teach him lesson
Crappy subpar contractor

I said dont do any of those things and keep the peace with the neighbor and give the contractor a chance to make it right...but I'm the one with an anger issue?

Again this is all within a 24 hour period before the OP even had a chance to speak with anyone to resolve the issue
All those things listed is the absolute wrong way to handle the situation

If this was my company I would have spoken to the neighbor and explained the house is on the property line and there will be some debris coming down on his yard and its unavoidable. I would have protected the yard before starting and cleaned the debris off the neighbors yard the second the roof was finished being removed the same day. We would never leave it a mess overnight....so thats on the contractor for leaving it there overnight. I still wouldnt lablel an entire company as subpar or call the police looking at one piture all within a 24 hour period without even giving the contractor a chance to make it right.

I also said in an earlier post the neighbor may just hand over the money and say sorry which is exactly what happened

Lots of people turning molehills into mountains around here...keep things simple before jumping to conclusions
usually works out best which is what I've been saying from the beginning

Your siding comments are extreme. I've done endless siding. Good chance the siding is vinyl. If its standard double 4 many times you can buy a single panel for $10. If not a 2 sq box (200 sq ft for those who dont know) is on average $150 and most supply houses WILL take back open boxes for return. A single panel takes about 10 minutes to change with a zip tool. It could be more involved depending on the siding. The vast majority of all houses are not special order due to cost and wide variety of standard siding to choose from..THe odds are in the OP's favor the siding is available and returnable. The OP hasnt posted a pic so there is no way to tell

Bug infestation and water infiltration over a hole in the siding is fear mongering and so over the top.Good chance there is rigid insulation behind the siding and there is definity waterproof breathable house wrap behind the insulation. Without seeing a picture odds are the hole in the siding could stay there till the end of time without causing any damage whatsoever. Perfect example of turning molehills into mountains and shouldnt even be mentioned without even seeing a picture of the damage...cheers

 

[day_trippr]

 

[Hoppy2bmerry]

 

[gotbeer74]

If you want to win, be calm. Seek first to understand, THEN to be understood (thanks S. Covey). I can assure you that the most unreasonable people, once they calm down, will accept a compromise.

Accept compromise, even if you consider it a loss. It's not a loss if it's reached that point.

I've been running my own company for many years, I know people. Even the unreasonable ones respond best to a calm person who will listen.

What I thought was done took a turn for the worse. I asked her yesterday to have the slate and plywood up off the plants that night. I told her I did not mind them using my property to put up their ladders and to bring material into her back yard for storage. The contractor heard me telling her and said he would have it done by Monday night at the earliest and he would tell me what can and cant be done. I said that is fine and I'll go speak with the code enforcer on Monday. I've given you a day and a half to just move the debris out of my yard. Then showing him how heard property had nothing on it and was swept up. So this morning I walked up to the code enforcer's office and spoke with him. I told him I wasnt looking for trouble and just wanted to know the code for roofing. He said the use of chutes and other material needed to keep a majority of the material off of neighboring yards is required and all work must be done from the property owners site. When I got back home the crew was packing up all the equipment and left the jobsite in like 10 minutes. Im guessing they weren't licensed to work in the area. If he wasnt ignorant to me this would have never occurred. I am sorry it turned out this way but being taken advantage of is just not right.

 

[schematix]

Sad i'm late to the party here.

There are ways to fix problems between neighbors without escalating the situation. If you think it may come to legal, just take pictures as a precaution.

The bigger issue is that a roofing company owner that feels entitled to utilize a neighbors property, and damage it with an attitude of "it'll grow back next year" is not OK. The entitlement here stinks.

 

[JONNYROTTEN]

NOW is the time to call them horrible contractors and take action...thats unacceptable. Get his licence number and take every legal step possible.

 

[JONNYROTTEN]

The bigger issue is that a roofing company owner that feels entitled to utilize a neighbors property, and damage it with an attitude of "it'll grow back next year" is not OK. The entitlement here stinks.

Its not entitlement. Someone mentioned call the police and file a property damage claim before even talking to the neighbor. I said take the high road and avoid issues with your neighbor over a plant that will grow back . Of course they're are always those people that call the police and file reports on their neighbor. I'm not one of those people that would do that

As far "entitled" to use the neighbors property, like the fence guy said sometimes its unavoidable. All good neighbors are understanding of that. The thing is to be respectful of the neighbors property which in this case didnt happen. And that doent mean just walk on someones property. It means get permission fist and work through it

 

[bleme]

There are contractors out there who only 'respect' the person who is paying them. Back in February I watched a landscaper removing a tree from a neighbor's house. Instead of taking the tree down in parts, he had a truck pulling on the tree so it would fall into the street and I knew that wasn't going to end well. Sure enough, as the tree came down it ripped up the owners roof, as well as his neighbors. Here it is 3 months later and the neighbor's roof is still broken!

I put respect in quotes because as soon as they have the cash, that 'respect' evaporates too!

I don't know where OP lives, but contractors here are required to have a $15,000 bond with the licensing board. However, it is probably better to file a claim with your insurance and let your insurance go after the contractor.

 

[Bilsch]

My neighbor decided to have a tree removed from his yard and so while I was at work, the tree service came in my driveway, parked on my hops, ran over some poles and proceeded to drop the tree in my yard. Very professional.

 

[bleme]

My neighbor decided to have a tree removed from his yard and so while I was at work, the tree service came in my driveway, parked on my hops, ran over some poles and proceeded to drop the tree in my yard. Very professional.

You weren't paying him - why should he care what you think?

 

[matt_m]

Our sub got hit by a hail storm and everyone got a new roof, siding on 1-2 sides of the houses, many windows and other miscellaneous work. The people who did the next door neighbor's roof left a mess in my yard when they were "done" with the roof and my then 78 year old mother in law ended up picking it up (no I didn't know that until after the fact.) Couple days later they were back to do siding and I walk out and find they have a whole work area set up IN my back yard, literally behind the corner of the garage, no way they didn't understand. I walked out and said something to the effect that I didn't really mind that they did so as long as they picked up after themselves but that it would have been courteous to knock on the door and ask and the crew leader was a total dick about it. So I left them a bad review and the company owner showed up at my door and essentially offered to pay me to remove it which told me the rest of what I needed to know about them. This was one of those "insurance restoration" companies and they were some of the more professional ones. I'm shocked no one fell off a roof that summer because there were some obvious untrained people working here.

 

[JONNYROTTEN]

Why hasn't this been moved to the debate forum labeled " Contractor bashing thread" its what its turned into

 

[Hoppy2bmerry]

Why hasn't this been moved to the debate forum labeled " Contractor bashing thread" its what its turned into

Why did you keep it going this morning?

 

[JONNYROTTEN]

Why did you keep it going this morning?

What am I going with?
Its literally a contractor bashing thread..thats perfectly fine but is that "general chit chat" forum material...no

For every bad contractor job there are 1000's of good ones.

As a contractor I dont bad mouth other contractors..its considered bad form

So..Start a bad contractor experience thread in the debate forum and tell your experiences....they should be heard...just not on an open forum on a beer site... Its not the right place.

 

[matt_m]

I think your numbers are a bit skewed.

 

[Hoppy2bmerry]

What am I going with?
Its literally a contractor bashing thread..thats perfectly fine but is that "general chit chat" forum material...no

Mr ROTTEN, just unfollow the thread and let it go... stop defending poor behavior from contractors you don’t know. It will die... in fact I’m going to stop watching after this post. Enough of this dead horse.

 

[JONNYROTTEN]

I think your numbers are a bit skewed.

Thats where your wrong....but I suppose you think most contractors are out to screw you also

 

[matt_m]

No, they just, on average, don't care enough to do everything right.

 

[JONNYROTTEN]

No, they just, on average, don't care enough to do everything right.

You must use the lowest bidder and then complain about the work

 

[HiImBrian]

I'm just going to leave this here...


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• Ex) your name, your car, your house.

You’re is short for “you are.”

• Ex) you’re beautiful, you’re smart, you’re welcome

 

[matt_m]

You must use the lowest bidder and then complain about the work

Sure, believe what you want.

 

[CodeSection]

This thread has gone from one individual's recent experience to now so much generalization. Obviously, hot buttons have been pushed, bad choice of words used, unnecessary flame throwing remarks used and perhaps taken personally, and maybe best posting intentions were misinterpreted.

I really do not understand the purpose of keeping this thread open since it has gone off topic and at this point is no longer informative.

For the record, I have had great experiences with various trades. Once in all the years I have used contractors did an inspector find something that needed correcting.

 

[bleme]

Why hasn't this been moved to the debate forum labeled " Contractor bashing thread" its what its turned into

I don't see any reason to move it to the debate forum. I can't see anyone debating on whether crappy contractors suck or not.

Btw, I work for a tile contractor.

 

[JONNYROTTEN]

When an administrator actually likes a post about not using a members personal business they know nothing about....believe me....they'll let the thread ride to continue what they believe in. Been there...done that

 

[JONNYROTTEN]

I don't see any reason to move it to the debate forum. I can't see anyone debating on whether crappy contractors suck or not.

Btw, I work for a tile contractor.

So as a contractor you dont take issue with someone saying on average most contractors dont care enough to do everything right? As a good contractor with endless good contractor friends that support their family by doing the right thing I take issue with that.....thats not debatable?

 

[bleme]

As a contractor, I know maybe better than anyone how many crappy contractors there are out there. We go out to sites where you could surf on the slab. We get cabinets that aren't close to level. We get walls that bow out at every stud. Owner's ought to be aware that there are a lot of bad players out there and if they hire someone with a new license (or no license) they are rolling the dice.

 

[madscientist451]

I think this is a good time to relax and have a homebrew....

 

[bob1852]

Obviously, hot buttons have been pushed, bad choice of words used, unnecessary flame throwing remarks used and perhaps taken personally, and maybe best posting intentions were misinterpreted.

And that's just from one poster!

 

[JONNYROTTEN]

As a contractor, I know maybe better than anyone how many crappy contractors there are out there. We go out to sites where you could surf on the slab. We get cabinets that aren't close to level. We get walls that bow out at every stud. Owner's ought to be aware that there are a lot of bad players out there and if they hire someone with a new license (or no license) they are rolling the dice.

We agree. Lots of bad contractors out there but just as many good ones. Nobody should bash an entire industry which is what this thread has become. And nobody should ever file charges without even speaking with the contractor to allow them to make it right...which is where the thread went wrong

 

[Beer Nuts]

I can't believe we're arguing whether or not it is OK to ruin someone else's property.

I would bet $7USD the roof guy is not insured and does not have a contractor license.

If you were rototilling and blasted your neighbor's '67 Mustang with rocks,
Should he just shrug it off?