Roasting in a SMaSH

[mmb]

Yes, he did. By that logic, you can say that every painting ever created was made with only 3 colors....

Color is just a difference in how our eye processes light reflections.

Is Blue actually "Blue" or is that just what our eye tells us?

 

[Greenmutt24]

Color is just a difference in how our eye processes light reflections.

Is Blue actually "Blue" or is that just what our eye tells us?

Yes because colors are denoted by the wavelength of light not our eyes that is why there are "colors" that we can not see

I voted that it wasn't a SMaSH

 

[Dr_Deathweed]

I am going to have to stick with roasting is a SMaSH. While a "traditional" SMaSH may be only one un-modified grain from a single source, altering all or part of that grain before you mash it can be considered part of the individuals brewing process. Sure all your specialty grains come from a single grain source, but none of us (I think) create our specialty grains. IMHO SMaSH is a learning experience, and should start out simple, but is it not possible to still learn the differences in final product from various different techniques during the brewing process, including roasting?

As long as you start out with your bucket of grains of a single type from a single source, a single variety of hops, yeast, and water, what you do with it is all up to the brewer.

I will throw out there that using multiple strains of yeast or any adjuncts (including oaking) may be outside SMaSH criteria...

Yes because colors are denoted by the wavelength of light not our eyes that is why there are "colors" that we can not see

I voted that it wasn't a SMaSH

"color" may be denoted by wavelength, but what we "see" is how our brain interprets that wavelength. The color you "see" when you see the wavelength of "blue" may be "red" in someone else's mind

 

[ChemE]

I voted that toasting invalidates SMaSH. For me, as others have stated, a SMaSH is an educational tool so I can learn what grains and hops taste like. Toasting MO makes it taste different so that breaks the utility of a SMaSH as a learning/teaching tool.

If your motivation is to see how great a beer can be made from a single malt and single hop, then go nuts like Evan said. But don't give me a bottle and tell me (a new AG brewer) this is what 2-row and Cascades tastes like because unless I toast a portion, triple decoct, and do a massive late kettle hop addition, I'm not going to recreate the taste and so I've been mislead.

In the end though it is a hobby and we need to what what makes us happy so I'd vote for hidden answer C) RDWAHAHB.

 

[Ølbart]

Yes because colors are denoted by the wavelength of light not our eyes that is why there are "colors" that we can not see

Tell that to my RGB monitor. Wavelengths only correspond to perceived colours, they aren't colours in themselves. The partitioning of the visible (and even invisible) light spectrum into colours is done by the human eye. Objectively, the light spectrum is just as continuous as distances are, but the colour spectrum clearly isn't.

And no, I'd say it's not a SMaSH. That doesn't make it unacceptable to brew it, of course.

 

[Denny's Evil Concoctions]

I personally thinl it's not quite a "single malt". If you roast it, is it really amtter whether you did it or the malting house? Tat siad, I think home roasting is way more cool and I would say it's really a 1.5 Malt and single hop. Don't know how to do the accronym. maybe a S1/2aSH?

 

[Loweface]

"color" may be denoted by wavelength, but what we "see" is how our brain interprets that wavelength. The color you "see" when you see the wavelength of "blue" may be "red" in someone else's mind

I'm colourblind

 

[AnOldUR]

The masses have spoken and the results are clear . . . .

Mob rules: No roasting allowed in a SMaSH.

Yes. This is a debate with no winning side. IMO

Until the BJCP comes up with a SMaSH category that debate will continue. But it’s clear that we are arguing two different positions. It’s the proverbial “apples to oranges” scenario. Some of us contend that a SMaSH is defined by the ingredients that the brewer starts with. The majority clearly takes it to be the finished produce that determines this technique. Unfortunately, this relegates the SMaSH to a predictable, boring brew used solely as learning tool for isolating ingredients.







Damn! I’ll have to get a mod to change the name on the Munich Dunkel SMaSH in my recipe pull-down.

 

[Laughing_Gnome_Invisible]

Damn! I’ll have to get a mod to change the name on the Munich Dunkel SMaSH in my recipe pull-down.

Not a bad idea. Rightly or wrongly (I see I was wrong now) I, for one don't even look at other people's SMaSH recipes because I use the majority definition. I agree about SMaSHes being largely predictable and unexciting, so when I do one, I only do a small batch.

 

[Ølbart]

We should introduce a new term for the roasted and single hopped beer, RaSH. Sounds delicious.

 

[Laughing_Gnome_Invisible]

We should introduce a new term for the roasted and single hopped beer, RaSH. Sounds delicious.

hehe....yeah, good one! Anyone want to taste my RaSH? Think that will catch on?

 

[Brew-Happy]

hehe....yeah, good one! Anyone want to taste my RaSH? Think that will catch on?

How about TRaSH: Toasted/Roasted malt and Single Hop.

Anyone care to try my TRaSH beer?

 

[Laughing_Gnome_Invisible]

ASMaSH Adjusted Single Malt and Single Hop.......Makes sense, but I prefer rash and trash.

 

[Schlenkerla]

Damn Evan, you’re a tough debater. I have to watch my choice of words closer.

What I meant to say was that you not only have to start with one malt type, but also qualified that with it having to come from the same maltster.

+1 On this. I don't even try to disagree with him!

But I will since this doesn't really matter. My HB Club had a smash competition. I won on my SMaSH. I did a pale malt & summit hops. The recipe was for 5 gallons, 10# of pale malt and 4oz of summit. I took 1/2# out of the bag roasted it for 10 minutes at 350F. Then after two weeks mashed it up.

This beer was awesome. The Summit made it taste like tangerine with a little toastiness.

This is no different than mashing and let it sour. Its no different than smoking the grain or the hops. Its still one malt and one hop when you bought it from the LHBS.

My HB Club was on the fence about this. It was 50/50 split in disagreement. The winner only gets bragging rights. In fact I think some where jealous, one that they didn't think about it, two they didn't find an awesome hop to make a SMaSH.

 

[Denny's Evil Concoctions]

Problem with a SMaSH cat by BJCP is how would you really know someone stuck to an actual SMaSH or not?

 

[AnOldUR]

Problem with a SMaSH cat by BJCP is how would you really know someone stuck to an actual SMaSH or not?

True, but how do they know that you're not taking a commercial beer and repackaging it for any entry? I think we’re on the honor system.

 

[Freezeblade]

How about a SOMaSH? Single Origin Malt and Single Hop?
or SOMMaSH. Single Origin Manipulated Malt and Single Hop

 

[DeathBrewer]

How about a SOMaSH? Single Origin Malt and Single Hop?
or SOMMaSH. Single Origin Manipulated Malt and Single Hop

Stop. No, really. Just stop. This is going tooooooooooo far :cross:

 

[Denny's Evil Concoctions]

Stop. No, really. Just stop. This is going tooooooooooo far :cross:

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