American Amber Ale Red Rye Ale

[Likefully]

I had my first bottle last night after a month of conditioning. This is really good and I am going to make it again soon.

BUT the rye flavour is really mild and in the background. Is that how it should be?


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[ratbastrd05]

<edit> Whoops - posted to wrong thread! Beer is good that way....

 

[swedishiron]

Just brewed 11- gallons of this delicious sounding recipe on Saturday. Followed the exact grain bill but used different hops i had on hand in the freezer: cascade 1oz (60 min), citra 1oz (20 min), centennial 1oz (10 min), Amarillo 2oz (5 min), and Citra 2oz at flame out. Kept it at 41 IBU. Its in the 2 carboys bubbling away, split yeast batch trying out wlp001 & wlp002. Will let everyone know how it turns out

 

[jstraight]

This has become one of my favorites and the most popular beer I make. Problem is I have entered it in 3 competitions, each time in a different style category and have not done well at all. If you are experienced, what style category would you suggest?
Thanks, John

 

[Likefully]

This has become one of my favorites and the most popular beer I make. Problem is I have entered it in 3 competitions, each time in a different style category and have not done well at all. If you are experienced, what style category would you suggest?
Thanks, John

Funny, I was looking at the style guides a moment ago thinking the same thing. I think this, like many other great tasting beers, doesn't fit in any style category.

 

[LLBeanJ]

I think for a competition it would fall under 23a Specialty beer due to color and hops presence, with the underlying style being 6d American Wheat or Rye beer. Maybe if there are any BJCP judges lurking, they could let us know if this is correct.

 

[billybryson54]

This is extremely high on the list of the best beers I've ever made. I love it, my friends and family love it, and I just can't brew it fast enough! If you haven't made it yet, do it. You will not be disappointed

 

[canehdianman]

this beer has gotten so many rave reviews I had to try it!

Only change i'm making to the OP's recipe is a bit of Carared to add some more colour to it.

Brewing on Monday, can't wait!!

 

[mbobhat]

Made a beer off this and almost exactly to the recipe. I am very pleased with the columbus hops and the dryness of the knotty and the rye. You also get the flavor of the crystal malts. A very awesome beer. I also used the notty yeast as well and I think that helps keep it on the dry side because of all the crystal malts.

Awesome recipe! Will brew again!

 

[Shenanigans]

Only found this recipe today and my already way to long "to-brew list" just got longer.:rockin:

 

[mlyday]

Brewing this right now. Upped the recipie to 8 gallons. Doing 5 gallons with a kolsch yeast, and 3 with English ale yeast. First time I split a batch with 2 yeast. Should be interesting to see the difference.

 

[JohnSand]

I may try it too. I made a rye pale and loved it.

 

[Shenanigans]

So I'm going to brew this like the OP on the weekend.
I have everything except the Nottingham yeast.
I ordered it on the internet yesterday but just in case it doesn't arrive on time what would you think the best substitute be?

I have US-05, S-04, BRY-97, S-33.

I guess it will still taste great with US-05 but to get close to the attenuation and flocculation of Nottingham the BRY-97 would be the better choice?


Thanks

 

[acetylcholine]

So I'm going to brew this like the OP on the weekend.
I have everything except the Nottingham yeast.
I ordered it on the internet yesterday but just in case it doesn't arrive on time what would you think the best substitute be?

I have US-05, S-04, BRY-97, S-33.

I guess it will still taste great with US-05 but to get close to the attenuation and flocculation of Nottingham the BRY-97 would be the better choice?


Thanks

I am brewing this on Thursday. I didnt realize that OP's recipe was 6 gal and not 5, so my recipe adjustment might end up with a little stronger beer.

As far as yeast, i snagged nottingham. SA-05 will attenuate better, but i'm guessing SA-04 is closer to the character of nottingham. I have no experience with 97 and 33.

 

[acetylcholine]

Got a late start today, but finally coming up to a boil after BIAB mash for 60 min. 1.039 pre-boil gravity.

I had to adjust my hop quantities bc the columbus that i got is 19% AA! Wish me luck.

 

[cmdrmonkey]

I've ordered the grain to make this. I'm excited for when it shows up!

 

[QuaffableQuips]

I brewed this about a month ago, kegged it a couple of weeks back, and am drinking it now. Such a great recipe! This is my third or fourth time making this beer, and it's always a pleasure to drink. This time around I used US-05 instead of Nottingham because that's what I happened to have on hand. Cheers, and nice job to the OP!

 

[acetylcholine]

So I missed my OG by some 10 points, after nailing it on my last 2 brews. I had a big ol' ? over my head until after I chilled and transfered to the carboy. My buddy asked me how much I spent on this batch, so I consulted my lhbs receipt. A pound of flaked Rye? Oh no... Yep, it was laying next to my Brown paper grain bag, and I totally forgot it.

Side note, don't try to mini mash flaked Rye, because biology AND physics says it won't work. Trust me.

I pitched Nottingham and had a nice vigorous fermentation. Ill keg and carbonate when i have a free keg. I anticipate a very sessiony lite rye ale, or, as ive been calling it, Rye Fail Ale

 

[daggers_nz]

I was hoping to make this next weekend, however we don't seem to have flaked rye in any of my LHBS. Any ideas for a substitute?

 

[jstraight]

I was hoping to make this next weekend, however we don't seem to have flaked rye in any of my LHBS. Any ideas for a substitute?

Without the Rye it is totally different, wait for the Rye. I have brewed this beer a lot (12-15 times) and it is one of my best. Here in western ny we call it "Red Pig".

 

[acetylcholine]

Without the Rye it is totally different, wait for the Rye. I have brewed this beer a lot (12-15 times) and it is one of my best. Here in western ny we call it "Red Pig".

Quoted for truth. When i forgot the pound of flaked rye, it basically just made an easy drinking amber with a touch of rye character and very little else.

Coincidentially, i sampled a black rye ipa from my local brewery and wow, yeah, rye character is definitely missing from my beer. Luckily its really drinkable and 4.1% ABV

 

[daggers_nz]

well, it's not that they are out of stock, it's that they don't appear to stock it at all (we als don't get rice hulls in my country). I'll be perusing organic food stores to see if they have any. If not, I was going to modify the bill a bit - upping the amount of malted rye to ~15% to compensate. I've not worked with flaked rye so I'm not sure what will be missing.

 

[Likefully]

well, it's not that they are out of stock, it's that they don't appear to stock it at all (we als don't get rice hulls in my country). I'll be perusing organic food stores to see if they have any. If not, I was going to modify the bill a bit - upping the amount of malted rye to ~15% to compensate. I've not worked with flaked rye so I'm not sure what will be missing.

I also can't get flaked rye here either, I could at one time, but the supplier stopped stocking it due to a lack of demand.

Has anyone tried using rye flour? - Correction: Its not this, it was is crushed rye, which requires a cereal mash

Someone at a homebrew club told me i could use rye flour, but i can't remember if he used it as substitute for malted rye or flaked rye

Also I am not sure whether you add it to your mash or mash it separately, but you definitely need to do a glucanase rest to break it down.

 

[Shenanigans]

I also can't get flaked rye here either, I could at one time, but the supplier stopped stocking it due to a lack of demand.

Has anyone tried using rye flour? - Correction: Its not this, it was is crushed rye, which requires a cereal mash

Someone at a homebrew club told me i could use rye flour, but i can't remember if he used it as substitute for malted rye or flaked rye

Also I am not sure whether you add it to your mash or mash it separately, but you definitely need to do a glucanase rest to break it down.

I brewed this beer for the first time about a week ago and it was my first time using rye flakes but I'm sure you could compensate it with more rye malt. I read somewhere on here that the flavour of the flakes is more intense so to get closer to this you will probably need to use more malt than flakes. However then the OG of the beer would increase so then you might have to cut back on the base malt or end up with a Red Rye IPA
So you need to decide on how much extra you want to add for flavour without making too strong.
However you compensate it won't be exactly the same but should still be a very tasy beer.

Here is a good discussion on Rye flakes vs malt:

https://www.homebrewtalk.com/showthread.php?t=6520

 

[jstraight]

well, it's not that they are out of stock, it's that they don't appear to stock it at all (we als don't get rice hulls in my country). I'll be perusing organic food stores to see if they have any. If not, I was going to modify the bill a bit - upping the amount of malted rye to ~15% to compensate. I've not worked with flaked rye so I'm not sure what will be missing.

Daggers,
Try increasing the rye malt and add some flaked corn for mouthfeel.
John

 

[daggers_nz]

well that was easy! found these at my local fruit&veg. Only 1.1lb's worth but I will up the malted rye to compensate. I'm also going to add ~2oz roasted barley to darken it up a bit - but won't dry it out too much. Thanks for your replies though everyone, I'm really looking forward to brewing this recipe

 

[acetylcholine]

Let us know how it turns out. Mine is aging well and opening up a little. I get more Rye and malt character now than I did before.

 

[daggers_nz]

forgot to take the flakes with me to get milled with the rest of the grains. I'm really looking forward to brewing this tomorrow. Hope to finish up with about 22L/5.8 gallons pre-pitch.

 

[LLBeanJ]

No need to mill the flakes.

 

[acetylcholine]

Good luck with the brew day. Don't forget any ingredients like me