Raw Vegan brewing.

[JordanThomas]

I swear I heard somewhere that bringing any food above ~105 or something made it non-rawfoodian.

Yeah, I made that up.

 

[teresalgl]

I swear I heard somewhere that bringing any food above ~105 or something made it non-rawfoodian.

Yeah, I made that up.

Wouldn't that rule out a decent amount of tropical food then? I'm sure it gets warmer than that just sitting on the vine.

 

[theveganbrewer]

This is an interesting topic about the raw process. The kilning process is a problem, so you're going to have very colorless beer, but what about using wheat, barley, oats, etc? Are any of those heated during production? What about floor kilned varieties, I have read about a few that come very close to raw specs, but that last step taken to kill off any last growth at around 160 ruins it.

My thinking is that if this is possible, it's going to take a ton more ingredients, hops, and time, and a lot of slow cooking to get to a potent product. I wonder if there are scientific things you can do to increase water loss without a boil, or is that even possible? Like start with 10 gallons of very weak wort and extract like 8 gallons of water to make it higher in gravity. Anyway to do that without boiling? Perhaps a 48 hour cook at 118 degrees in a dry environment where the air sucks out a lot of the moisture?

 

[theveganbrewer]

Wouldn't that rule out a decent amount of tropical food then? I'm sure it gets warmer than that just sitting on the vine.

Banana is happy.

 

[teresalgl]

This is an interesting topic about the raw process. The kilning process is a problem, so you're going to have very colorless beer, but what about using wheat, barley, oats, etc? Are any of those heated during production? What about floor kilned varieties, I have read about a few that come very close to raw specs, but that last step taken to kill off any last growth at around 160 ruins it.

My thinking is that if this is possible, it's going to take a ton more ingredients, hops, and time, and a lot of slow cooking to get to a potent product. I wonder if there are scientific things you can do to increase water loss without a boil, or is that even possible? Like start with 10 gallons of very weak wort and extract like 8 gallons of water to make it higher in gravity. Anyway to do that without boiling? Perhaps a 48 hour cook at 118 degrees in a dry environment where the air sucks out a lot of the moisture?

Perhaps a vacuum evaporator would be useful.

 

[JordanThomas]

Wouldn't that rule out a decent amount of tropical food then? I'm sure it gets warmer than that just sitting on the vine.

No idea. I'm no expert on the topic. I am just posing the questions I would have if I were asked to solve the problem of brewing a vegan/rawfood beer. Not sure this would actually qualify as a beer per se. Grain might seriously be out of the question.

 

[TyTanium]

I swear I heard somewhere that bringing any food above ~105 or something made it non-rawfoodian.

Does that go for meat too? Wonder what a steak or chicken at 105F tastes like.

 

[bottlebomber]

Does that go for meat too? Wonder what a steak or chicken at 105F tastes like.

Actually it does. You wouldn't want to eat chicken but sushi is acceptable for some raw foodists.

 

[JordanThomas]

Does that go for meat too? Wonder what a steak or chicken at 105F tastes like.

Aren't most raw-food diets vegan or vegetarian? Those including meat usually only containing fish?

 

[edmanster]

I thought if it had a face it's a no go for vegans..

 

[JordanThomas]

Now I'm just confused. Exiting stage left...

 

[Bobby_M]

It is not even a boil problem yet. Germinate to malt and then run it through a blender and dose with amylase and yeast. Wait a week and dose with iso hop extract. Bottle with sugar. Wait three weeks, drink, then vomit. Give up veganism forever.

 

[CGVT]

It is not even a boil problem yet. Germinate to malt and then run it through a blender and dose with amylase and yeast. Wait a week and dose with iso hop extract. Bottle with sugar. Wait three weeks, drink, then vomit. Give up veganism forever.

The rest of vegan food is pretty much terrible. The beer might as well suck too.

Would they care?

 

[MalFet]

Aren't most raw-food diets vegan or vegetarian?

Not necessarily. They're very different notions with very different principles to motivate them.

 

[NervousDad]

I think wine is the answer here.

 

[bottlebomber]

The rest of vegan food is pretty much terrible. The beer might as well suck too.

Would they care?

Actually some vegan food is pretty awesome if its prepared properly. My wife got me to try a meal she made that was not only vegan but raw, and it was delicious. Of course it took her almost 8 hours to prepare and I was hungry after 30 minutes, but it was good flavor wise.

I think wine is the answer here.

Bing!

 

[terrapinj]

The rest of vegan food is pretty much terrible. The beer might as well suck too.

Would they care?

the majority of beer is vegan

and most vegan dishes are plenty tasty - may not be an ideal lifestyle or way to eat everyday all the time but to say all vegan food is terrible is a pretty ignorant blanket statement

 

[JordanThomas]

the majority of beer is vegan

and most vegan dishes are plenty tasty - may not be an ideal lifestyle or way to eat everyday all the time but to say vegan food is terrible is a pretty ignorant blanket statement

Not sure he meant that all vegan dishes were nasty. I could be wrong though . I've had a lot of vegan dishes that were delicious. But, I think they would have ALL been better with some meat added. Then again, I love my meats.

 

[CGVT]

the majority of beer is vegan

and most vegan dishes are plenty tasty - may not be an ideal lifestyle or way to eat everyday all the time but to say all vegan food is terrible is a pretty ignorant blanket statement

Lighten up, Francis. It was joke.

 

[nickmv]

Ya know, the whole veganism thing cracks me up. While people are entitled to eat the way they wish, when I see the following scenario, I crack up:

You'll see these people come up with some elaborate concoction they call a "meal", in which they attempt to copy something like a burger and fries, all the way down to fake bacon. It always leads me to the logical conclusion that these people are really foolish, no offense intended. If you have to go so far as to build a veganized version of something that's SUPPOSED to contain meat, oil, raw items, etc, then something is clearly wrong with that approach. If you want the real deal so bad.....then EAT the real deal, and quit telling yourself it's bad. If it's so against your beliefs, why do you want to go as far as possible to copy the real deal?



It's like buying a $20,000 VW and spending $30k upgrading its body panels, engine, exhaust, wheels, etc, all to get it to look like a $50,000 BMW -------- except that the VW ends up costing more and performing worse. Coulda just bought a BMW and called it a day. All this being said, I'm not ripping on the lifestyle as a whole, but instead all of the one's I've personally experienced/seen.


/rant

 

[naiek]

Is there a reason for it to be raw other than strict adherence to a rule that, in this case, serves no purpose?

 

[CGVT]

I was going to brew a batch of this, but I am not sure whether to add the vegans to the mash, boil or secondary?

Even though when it's done it will be bitter, insufferable, and of course, morally superior in every sense and it will most likely be terrible, it won't matter because it will be self conscious and aware

I think when it's done I'll name it Sanctimonious Ale...

 

[naiek]

I was going to brew a batch of this, but I am not sure whether to add the vegans to the mash, boil or secondary?

Even though when it's done it will be bitter, insufferable, and of course, morally superior in every sense and it will most likely be terrible, it won't matter because it will be self conscious and aware

I think when it's done I'll name it Sanctimonious Ale...

I would recommend a secondary in this case, don't want your beer sitting on those vegans for too long, never know the off-flavors you will get

 

[MalFet]

The irony in these kinds of threads is always pretty darn thick. The general theme here seems to be how judgmental vegans are, and yet the handful of actual vegans present (which doesn't include me) appear to be the only ones not passing judgment on anyone.

 

[bottlebomber]

The irony in these kinds of threads is always pretty darn thick. The general theme here seems to be how judgmental vegans are, and yet the handful of actual vegans present (which doesn't include me) appear to be the only ones not passing judgment on anyone.

It's ok... Oftentimes the meat eaters that are really anti vegan/vegetarian are typically obese. In fact I've made some interesting graphs that show that the fatter they are, the more they hate vegans/vegetarians. It's empirical now.

 

[Yooper]

The hostility towards vegans here is pretty bizarre. Considering how marginal homebrewing in the wider world, you think we'd be a little more sympathetic to people with weird food preferences.

The irony in these kinds of threads is always pretty darn thick. The general theme here seems to be how judgmental vegans are, and yet the handful of actual vegans present (which doesn't include me) appear to be the only ones not passing judgment on anyone.

I agree. I'm surprised and disappointed in the responses. I do not use finings like gelatin in my beer, as that is a product from a cow. But I don't yammer at those of you who do. I don't call you weirdos for putting meat byproducts in your beer.

People have spiritual, dietary, and moral beliefs. They may not be the same as yours, but that doesn't make them any less valid than yours.

I will tell you that as a group, beer drinking middle aged carnivores are about the fattest and unhealthiest people I know. I don't go around calling them all names, and pointing a finger at them although I am slender and healthy.

It's a slippery slope when we try to depersonalize people into "vegans", "vegetarians", "carnivores", etc.

Many people eat mindlessly, going through a McDonald's drive through. A few health conscious individuals eat with forethought and deliberation. Don't knock it until you've tried it.

 

[Waynep005]

I do not find the Vegan aspect strange at all. While I am not nor can I imagine I ever will be a vegan I get why some people choose to be a Vegan. I do not get the raw food thing at all. While some foods are great raw some are not only not tasty but are not edible untill cooked. This includes some great vegan friendly foods.

 

[bottlebomber]

Raw food is not typically something that people do all the time. It is usually done for a specified period of time as part of a cleanse. So for a month you do raw foods... Then you go back to eating what you normally would. When my wife does this she has so much energy during and for weeks after that it's undeniable for me that it is healthy, but I'm not sure if it's good to do in the long term.

It's a slippery slope when we try to depersonalize people into "vegans", "vegetarians", "carnivores", etc.

Many people eat mindlessly, going through a McDonald's drive through. A few health conscious individuals eat with forethought and deliberation. Don't knock it until you've tried it.

I agree completely Yooper.. I have always been a vegetarian and proud of it. However over the last 2 years I have been starting to eat a little meat. So now it's not so easy to classify my diet - I will do some very fresh seafood, or on a whim I may have some other type of meat but in very small quantities. I had some venison jerky the other day someone offered me.

I still tell people I am veg because for most purposes I am. I don't want to get invited over for dinner and have to contend with a hamburger casserole or something because there's no way I would ever eat anything like that. I have never eaten a hamburger, and never will unless survival dictates that I must. What's funny is coming from a vegetarian background to eating meat gives me a fresh outlook on the meat that I do eat. For example, I had an opportunity to eat sea urchin recently. All the carnivores but 1 or 2 couldn't stand the idea, but I had seconds. Dog doesn't sound bad either. How is it different from another flesh? Malfet ate it. Was it a red meat?

 

[CGVT]

the majority of beer is vegan

and most vegan dishes are plenty tasty - may not be an ideal lifestyle or way to eat everyday all the time but to say all vegan food is terrible is a pretty ignorant blanket statement

It's ok... Oftentimes the meat eaters that are really anti vegan/vegetarian are typically obese. In fact I've made some interesting graphs that show that the fatter they are, the more they hate vegans/vegetarians. It's empirical now.

Interesting, I usually see those that subscribe to the food pyramid and eat a lot of grain, corn and carbs tend to be fat. The meat eaters are usually much more healthy.

BTW, not sure who on here is anti vegan/vegetarian. I tend to dislike humorless, sanctimonious douches regardless of what they like to eat.

Now if you will excuse me, after I finish my veal, I have baby seals to club and carbon fuels to burn...

 

[Whattawort]

I didn't read through all 90 posts so forgive me if this is embedded in here somewhere. Have any of you run into the hard-core paleo dieters? My bro does it and it's like a religion to him. Hey, if he feels better because of it, great. My issue is when I have to endure his sermons on why it's such the better lifestyle than the way I eat and how I choose to live. Not everyone can hit a crossfit box 3-4 times a week or convince their family to fairly drastically change their diet. Besides, I HATE sorghum based beers.

Yes, that's just one person and purely anecdotal. I just had to get that off my chest and this seemed like an appropriate place to do it. My brother doesn't seem to get that I don't want to hear it anymore even after I've told him as much. And I really don't want to spend another half a day brewing beer that I don't like to drink only to get a complaint or too from him after it's gone. Ah family...the ties that bind and gag.