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I love MT, but "Pillowy" is the dumbest adjective I've ever seen used to describe a beer.

This term always brings to mind Uncle Phil on Fresh Prince, waxing rhapsodically about Thanksgiving dinner:

"Pillowy mounds of mashed po-ta-toes"
 
Mike, I can send you a bottle that is at least 6 years old (bought it in 2010, but was probably on the shelf for quite some time already). You interested? I'll be slow as molasses as you know, but if you can wait happy to send it your way.
Definitely! No hurry at all on shipping. Just let me know what you want in return. Thanks!
 
Anyone know of a source (other than MBC) where I can buy older bottles of DFH WWS and 120? brees6221 sent me an older bottle of each in a BIF a while back and they were amazing.

I'll ask my brother next time I see him. He may have some old DFH lying around. I traded all my stuff to davey101 for some sweet sweet TradeHouse cans
 
A buddy from High School owns the one in Waterbury. Vic is his name, good dude and srs about beer.

Evil Vic (as per his name on the Barcade wall)!! He's a good friend of mine. So I guess I'm biased but, yes, the Waterbury location is great. Really nice staff and always good **** on the shelves.

Sucks the other CBC locations aren't as swell.
 
While I'm not intimately familiar with Craft Beer Cellar, I am the product manager for what i imagine is a similar franchise, though we are a bar, not a retail shop (is CBC kind of a hybrid?). We have 38 units across the country.

The number one bullet point on my job description when i was hired was "Approval and Disapproval" of all beer coming through the system. I was excited, albeit quite naive and idealistic. I actually wrote a 5,500-word pseudo-manifesto (at the behest of the CEO) called "Achieving and Maintaining Credibility in the Craft Beer Industry: The Prospects of Sustainability and Growth". :rolleyes:

I quickly realized that in the franchised beer bar world, partners hold a much bigger stick than I had ever imagined. I have fought every fight as best as i can to keep "bad" beer out of the stores, and particularly off the draft list. And by "bad" I mean specifically Miller, Coors and Budweiser, along with a couple of their "crafty" brands. Somehow I have managed to keep all Shock Top, and all Blue Moon "one-offs" out of the store, but the screaming for BMC from a couple of the more "powerful" (meaning they own multiple units) has had a profound effect on the higher-ups, who have allowed these as a "test", albeit with zero idea of an exit plan. Meanwhile i have compiled compelling and objective number-based proof that these "bad" beers do not increase sales or drive traffic.

What amazes me about the CBC situation is that (and correct me if i'm wrong) it seems very subjective. Who is making the decisions about what cannot be carried and what are their qualifications? The basic principle I've always adopted is that if it fits the BA's definition of craft (though i have some issues with that as well), then you can absolutely carry it. Hell, above all else we support local breweries. Give everyone a chance. If they suck, or have no QC, then stop carrying them. Simple as that and we leave that up to the partners.

The fact that they specifically called out local Boston breweries Bent Water, Down the Road and Hopsters as "not fit for consumption" is pretty ******* shocking to me. It seems a very narrow view and perhaps a desperate attempt to appeal to snobby-ass "beer geeks", which in all likelihood (though I don't know for sure), make up a very small percentage of their patronage. It seems that it would really backfire in the brewers' community, which is generally still very tight-knit.

As a side note, they have 175 mandated items? Seems excessive, no matter the format of sales. Half of the appeal of the craft industry is its very liquid product management (pun intended). For reference, our bars carry about 200 unique beers; 5 draft lines are mandated, and only 2 of those are specific beers (Weihenstephaner and All Day IPA, if the store is in distro), the other three are just breweries that have to be carried.

Anyways, this story and philosophy is very interesting to me, and i'm in no way shocked to hear that there is backlash from their franchisee community.
I must say that your new "franchised beer bar" in The Domain in Austin is amazing.

The beer buyer there has been killing it.
 
I must say that your new "franchised beer bar" in The Domain in Austin is amazing.

The beer buyer there has been killing it.

Yeah, he is probably one of the two or three best in the whole system. I've always said the round rock location is the best we have. Same buyer, so while the Austin location lacks that same feel, the product quality is pretty awesome.
 
Yeah, he is probably one of the two or three best in the whole system. I've always said the round rock location is the best we have. Same buyer, so while the Austin location lacks that same feel, the product quality is pretty awesome.
The RR location is also great too. I really like sitting on the patio back there.
 
I'd never thought about food pairing for that one as I feel it pairs best with a lot more drinking before hand. Last bottle I had was up there for best beer I had that year.
The recipe was reverse engineered to pair perfectly with steak. Aged bottles work best. You're welcome.
 
The recipe was reverse engineered to pair perfectly with steak. Aged bottles work best. You're welcome.
Are any of the 12oz bottles any good? I've got an 07 and the last one I had 2-3 years ago still tasted like kerosene. I'm pretty sure the magic DFH once had was at least several years gone by 07.
 
Are any of the 12oz bottles any good? I've got an 07 and the last one I had 2-3 years ago still tasted like kerosene. I'm pretty sure the magic DFH once had was at least several years gone by 07.
I buy Raison D'Extra's with the intention of aging them 6-10 years. They are too boozy fresh.
 
Are any of the 12oz bottles any good? I've got an 07 and the last one I had 2-3 years ago still tasted like kerosene. I'm pretty sure the magic DFH once had was at least several years gone by 07.
I bought a handful of these and they just got worse and worse as they aged.

Last one definitely tasted awful and was very chunky with floating sediment. Blargh.
 
I bought a handful of these and they just got worse and worse as they aged.

Last one definitely tasted awful and was very chunky with floating sediment. Blargh.
Yeah I bought a case of 2009 120 min with the "fun idea" of drinking two every year and seeing how it ages. I haven't touched any since 2014...
 
Are any of the 12oz bottles any good? I've got an 07 and the last one I had 2-3 years ago still tasted like kerosene. I'm pretty sure the magic DFH once had was at least several years gone by 07.
No

I gave all of mine away except for 1 to drink with my friend who bought the fresh release. I think the new batch might have been slightly better but thats kinda like trying to compare a polished turd to a non polished turd.

The 07 still tastes like kerosene and bad cider.
 
No

I gave all of mine away except for 1 to drink with my friend who bought the fresh release. I think the new batch might have been slightly better but thats kinda like trying to compare a polished turd to a non polished turd.

The 07 still tastes like kerosene and bad cider.

That is what I'd assumed. I think my buddy still has a 750 of xtra and the last bottle from the case of b2 WWS I bought. Hoping to see him shortly and get drunk like it's 2002.
 
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