Random Beer Thoughts

[ISO Valeric]

"good" local breweries are destroying saison's good name with their horrible saisons. breweries will have pretty good IPA's and pale ales, and then their farmhouse ale is an absolute shitshow. people just getting into beer think they don't like saison, because they've tried their hyped local IPA producers' horrid 3711 attempts. those of us who've been around for a while were probably introduced to the style by great examples like blaugies, de ranke, and dupont... but when newer drinkers are being told that these messy beers are what farmhouse ales are supposed to taste like, no wonder they don't like the style.

 

[trickytunadicky]

"good" local breweries are destroying saison's good name with their horrible saisons. breweries will have pretty good IPA's and pale ales, and then their farmhouse ale is an absolute shitshow. people just getting into beer think they don't like saison, because they've tried their hyped local IPA producers' horrid 3711 attempts. those of us who've been around for a while were probably introduced to the style by great examples like blaugies, de ranke, and dupont... but when newer drinkers are being told that these messy beers are what farmhouse ales are supposed to taste like, no wonder they don't like the style.

Shhhh. don't clue them in. It's hype enough.

 

[Arbitrator]

ehammond1 toasted my Fruet check-in from May 2014. ************.

This is rapidly turning into shades of "I know what you did last-last summer. You drank a Bruery beer and scored it above a 3."

 

[trickytunadicky]

ehammond1 toasted my Fruet check-in from May 2014. ************.

This is rapidly turning into shades of "I know what you did last-last summer. You drank a Bruery beer and scored it above a 3."

I recall enjoying Fruet fresh. I'll admit to that. We can be publicly shamed together,

 

[trickytunadicky]

Reading the annual reports for AB-Inbev, Molson Coors and Sam Adams for a paper (because the places I would love to research are all private or private equity and as such don't fit the criteria for the assignment).

 

[JulianB1]

I recall enjoying Fruet fresh. I'll admit to that. We can be publicly shamed together,

Fruet has been fantastic every time I've had it. Would bang again and again.

 

[MarcatGSB1]

Go here: https://anrweb.vt.gov/ANR/vtANR/Act250.aspx

Under 'town' type: Greensboro

Take a look at the permit applications for hill farmstead. The info is spread across a few documents but is all there.

That's great, thank you for the information. MUCH appreciated.

 

[Snarf1]

"good" local breweries are destroying saison's good name with their horrible saisons. breweries will have pretty good IPA's and pale ales, and then their farmhouse ale is an absolute shitshow. people just getting into beer think they don't like saison, because they've tried their hyped local IPA producers' horrid 3711 attempts. those of us who've been around for a while were probably introduced to the style by great examples like blaugies, de ranke, and dupont... but when newer drinkers are being told that these messy beers are what farmhouse ales are supposed to taste like, no wonder they don't like the style.

Brother, is that you?

In addition to my undying hatred for 3711, the adjuncts, oh the adjuncts. So many breweries that can't make a decent saison to begin with seem to think a run through the garden will help.

 

[Snarf1]

That's great, thank you for the information. MUCH appreciated.

Cliff notes for those of us too lazy to look?

 

[Josh2]

Cliff notes for those of us too lazy to look?

Multiple septic systems and a new massive leach field.

 

[MarcatGSB1]

Go here: https://anrweb.vt.gov/ANR/vtANR/Act250.aspx

Under 'town' type: Greensboro

Take a look at the permit applications for hill farmstead. The info is spread across a few documents but is all there.

Cliff notes for those of us too lazy to look?

Permit reads for 560 gallons of wastewater per day.


There are different criterias set up for the type of business you have.
For instance, estimates for wasterwater per person served in a fine dining restaurant are 10 gallons. So they take into account toilet flushes, washing the dishes, glasses, etc.
Hotel rooms have their own standard. 40 gallons per bed...

For very well draining soil (course/medium sand) you're looking at 1 gallon per hour filtering. And that can go to .25 gallons per hour for more heavy clay soils. And they want a square foot per gallon.
It's all very interesting.

 

[MarcatGSB1]

TNGabe
There is also another permit in there for non-waste water (probably just cooling jacket water, etc) to be disposed of at a manure site in town somewhere. I've got to do some more digging.

 

[Farnsworth]

When do we want to get together? SSTroller apparently wants to drink at my house.

Anytime or place and I'll be there.

 

[trickytunadicky]

Reading the annual reports for AB-Inbev, Molson Coors and Sam Adams for a paper (because the places I would love to research are all private or private equity and as such don't fit the criteria for the assignment).

So far I am only into the AB InBev portion of my paper, and 90% of their strategy is marketing and packaging, which, duh, but it's really hammered home in their annual report that their strategy is all smoke and mirrors.

 

[steimie]

So far I am only into the AB InBev portion of my paper, and 90% of their strategy is marketing and packaging, which, duh, but it's really hammered home in their annual report that their strategy is all smoke and mirrors.

Don't spoil the ending for the rest of us.

 

[trickytunadicky]

Don't spoil the ending for the rest of us.

shhh! I'm procrastinating!

 

[trickytunadicky]

Don't spoil the ending for the rest of us.

And I bet you can't wait for the 2016 sequel: to upsell an infection.

 

[furley]

why is everyone so offended that Bud/Miller exists and is successful?

90% of people want easy, non-offensive and routine lives. they know what they're getting. they're comfortable with the price. they don't want to stand in the liquor store for 30 minutes trying to decide. they aren't in to chasing trucks. they don't want to spend $14 on a 6-pack that may or may not be good. they don't want to spend time considering how delicious it will be to get drunk after work on Friday. they just want.... beer.

i'm starting to wonder if 90% of the people here really want Bud/Miller because all they do is bitch about how much beer sucks anyways. want beer not to be inconsistent? want to know that you're going to get beer that tastes how the brewer intended? want to not worry about infections and off-flavors and blowing $60 on a single bottle after you waited 12 hours on line for it? buy a Budweiser.

you know what i don't like, religion. so i don't go to church. i spend 0 time thinking about it. worrying about people who do go to church. posting about how ridiculous it is. no carrying on and on and on about how dumb people are for believing. because it doesn't matter to me. it's everywhere. great. means **** all to me.

people eat Cheerios. people shop at Target. people drive Ford. America is all about mass produced, cheaply made and easily accessible. that's why there are 4 McDonald's per square mile.

you want artisan.... everything..... fine. just realize that nobody really, really, really wants to work 100 hours a week making beer. some are making it for the love of the science, or art, but most are *gasp* in it for the money. they're trying to make enough money to make their process more automated, more consistent and less labor intensive so that they can work less, enjoy the fruits of their labor and retire. like the rest of us.

i'm sure there's some Latvian guys making beer the right way out of their 9th generation farmhouse. odds are half of it is probably ******* terrible, infected or, once it catches on people will talk about how it used to be great but now sucks... but at least it's artisan and not mass-produced, consistent and cheap!

 

[trickytunadicky]

why is everyone so offended that Bud/Miller exists and is successful?

90% of people want easy, non-offensive and routine lives. they know what they're getting. they're comfortable with the price. they don't want to stand in the liquor store for 30 minutes trying to decide. they aren't in to chasing trucks. they don't want to spend $14 on a 6-pack that may or may not be good. they don't want to spend time considering how delicious it will be to get drunk after work on Friday. they just want.... beer.

i'm starting to wonder if 90% of the people here really want Bud/Miller because all they do is bitch about how much beer sucks anyways. want beer not to be inconsistent? want to know that you're going to get beer that tastes how the brewer intended? want to not worry about infections and off-flavors and blowing $60 on a single bottle after you waited 12 hours on line for it? buy a Budweiser.

you know what i don't like, religion. so i don't go to church. i spend 0 time thinking about it. worrying about people who do go to church. posting about how ridiculous it is. no carrying on and on and on about how dumb people are for believing. because it doesn't matter to me. it's everywhere. great. means **** all to me.

people eat Cheerios. people shop at Target. people drive Ford. America is all about mass produced, cheaply made and easily accessible. that's why there are 4 McDonald's per square mile.

you want artisan.... everything..... fine. just realize that nobody really, really, really wants to work 100 hours a week making beer. some are making it for the love of the science, or art, but most are *gasp* in it for the money. they're trying to make enough money to make their process more automated, more consistent and less labor intensive so that they can work less, enjoy the fruits of their labor and retire. like the rest of us.

i'm sure there's some Latvian guys making beer the right way out of their 9th generation farmhouse. odds are half of it is probably ******* terrible, infected or, once it catches on people will talk about how it used to be great but now sucks... but at least it's artisan and not mass-produced, consistent and cheap!

Oh I just don't want to read all of this because it is boring as **** compared to reading about the ethos of an employee owned company that gives back to the local area like NG and BB do, although after reading all of this, I am actually appreciating the ethos of Molson Coors much more than AB InBev. There is a long culture (even before the InBev involvement) at AB of being accountants and suits that happen to manage brewers. At least the outward face of Molson Coors is that they are proud to be in beer, respect their brewers, and they aren't in the industry by accident or coincidence. It's like a night and day read.

 

[furley]

Oh I just don't want to read all of this because it is boring as **** compared to reading about the ethos of an employee owned company that gives back to the local area like NG and BB do, although after reading all of this, I am actually appreciating the ethos of Molson Coors much more than AB InBev. There is a long culture (even before the InBev involvement) at AB of being accountants and suits that happen to manage brewers. At least the outward face of Molson Coors is that they are proud to be in beer, respect their brewers, and they aren't in the industry by accident or coincidence. It's like a night and day read.

by all means don't read it. just tired of hearing all the moaning and groaning about Bud/Miller on here.

if people aren't drinking it.. why so much concern about it?

some days it feels like 50% of the posts are "beer sucks" and 25% are "Bud/Miller sucks". pretty well covered ground there.

 

[trickytunadicky]

by all means don't read it. just tired of hearing all the moaning and groaning about Bud/Miller on here.

if people aren't drinking it.. why so much concern about it?

some days it feels like 50% of the posts are "beer sucks" and 25% are "Bud/Miller sucks". pretty well covered ground there.

You got two other publicly traded breweries I can write about? Or were my random beer thoughts so random I didn't post my full assignment where it says I have to read annual reports. Anything else you want to say about my assignment?

 

[trickytunadicky]

Anyway, the ****** part was the reading annual reports part.

 

[LukeAleTime]

I read through an annual presentation that the CEO or someone made. There was a massive typo on one of the slides.

Hahaha, idiots

 

[stupac2]

Oh I just don't want to read all of this because it is boring as **** compared to reading about the ethos of an employee owned company that gives back to the local area like NG and BB do, although after reading all of this, I am actually appreciating the ethos of Molson Coors much more than AB InBev. There is a long culture (even before the InBev involvement) at AB of being accountants and suits that happen to manage brewers. At least the outward face of Molson Coors is that they are proud to be in beer, respect their brewers, and they aren't in the industry by accident or coincidence. It's like a night and day read.

What's interesting is that it didn't start that way. The reason AB, Miller, and all them got big was that they were some of the few breweries in the 19th century that cared about quality. It would be interesting to do a more longitudinal study and see how the cultures were maintained and why/how they were lost. (A lot of them were lost the way all money is lost, lazy-ass, ****** heirs.)

 

[trickytunadicky]

People used to trade for Coors in the 70s.

 

[trickytunadicky]

What's interesting is that it didn't start that way. The reason AB, Miller, and all them got big was that they were some of the few breweries in the 19th century that cared about quality. It would be interesting to do a more longitudinal study and see how the cultures were maintained and why/how they were lost. (A lot of them were lost the way all money is lost, lazy-ass, ****** heirs.)

It actually had to do with the world wars/prohibition/rationing. Our palates in the US got really bland for most things.

 

[LukeAleTime]

People used to trade for Coors in the 70s.

Presidents even:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smokey_and_the_Bandit#Legal_status_of_Coors_beer

 

[stupac2]

It actually had to do with the world wars/prohibition/rationing. Our palates in the US got really bland for most things.

Well, yeah, but it's more complicated than that, especially why some (like say FX Matt and Yeungling) stayed truer to their roots than others. I've read a bit about this (in Ambitious Brew), but it's hard to tell the whole story.

 

[litheum94]

why is everyone so offended that Bud/Miller exists and is successful?

90% of people want easy, non-offensive and routine lives. they know what they're getting. they're comfortable with the price. they don't want to stand in the liquor store for 30 minutes trying to decide. they aren't in to chasing trucks. they don't want to spend $14 on a 6-pack that may or may not be good. they don't want to spend time considering how delicious it will be to get drunk after work on Friday. they just want.... beer.

i'm starting to wonder if 90% of the people here really want Bud/Miller because all they do is bitch about how much beer sucks anyways. want beer not to be inconsistent? want to know that you're going to get beer that tastes how the brewer intended? want to not worry about infections and off-flavors and blowing $60 on a single bottle after you waited 12 hours on line for it? buy a Budweiser.

you know what i don't like, religion. so i don't go to church. i spend 0 time thinking about it. worrying about people who do go to church. posting about how ridiculous it is. no carrying on and on and on about how dumb people are for believing. because it doesn't matter to me. it's everywhere. great. means **** all to me.

people eat Cheerios. people shop at Target. people drive Ford. America is all about mass produced, cheaply made and easily accessible. that's why there are 4 McDonald's per square mile.

you want artisan.... everything..... fine. just realize that nobody really, really, really wants to work 100 hours a week making beer. some are making it for the love of the science, or art, but most are *gasp* in it for the money. they're trying to make enough money to make their process more automated, more consistent and less labor intensive so that they can work less, enjoy the fruits of their labor and retire. like the rest of us.

i'm sure there's some Latvian guys making beer the right way out of their 9th generation farmhouse. odds are half of it is probably ******* terrible, infected or, once it catches on people will talk about how it used to be great but now sucks... but at least it's artisan and not mass-produced, consistent and cheap!

Yes, it clearly means **** all to you since you just went on an unprovoked tirade.

 

[danbanana]

You got two other publicly traded breweries I can write about?

Boston Beer Co. I'm not ashamed to admit that I made a nice profit from stock of theirs...