Question On Water Filter

[Unicorn_Platypus]

I use this water filter to remove chlorine and fluoride, but I live in NYC and have very soft water with extremely low mineral content.

Send some of your tap water to ward labs and get it tested for the mineral composition. Hopefully it's good enough to use as a base water profile and isn't too hard.

https://www.morebeer.com/products/b...CjMiFjGFlQJqhoyGHAjVlK1kvkFURL4hoCQgkQAvD_BwE

 

[Newtobrewing85]

I use this water filter to remove chlorine and fluoride, but I live in NYC and have very soft water with extremely low mineral content.

Send some of your tap water to ward labs and get it tested for the mineral composition. Hopefully it's good enough to use as a base water profile and isn't too hard.

https://www.morebeer.com/products/b...CjMiFjGFlQJqhoyGHAjVlK1kvkFURL4hoCQgkQAvD_BwE

I think I will send it off out of curiosity! I’ll check that out, thanks. The LHBS said you can’t remove chloramine from water with campden tablets, I was under the assumption you could.

 

[Unicorn_Platypus]

Wrong link before here's the right one

https://www.morebeer.com/products/water-filter-kit-10.html

 

[ChrisfromAbby]

Today’s been interesting.

Posted a photo, does that mill look about right or not enough?

Looks fine. I think a good rule of thumb is wide enough to just pass a credit card through....

 

[ChrisfromAbby]

The LHBS said you can’t remove chloramine from water with campden tablets, I was under the assumption you could.

LHBS is wrong. In fact you need very little. 1/2 to 1/4 a tab is probably enough, but I usually go with a whole tablet because I can't be bothered splitting it. I use Campden or KMBS powder every brew and I DEFINITELY have chloramine in my tapwater.
I also once used some KMBS to lower the chlorine in my hot tub when I overdid it once. True Story.

 

[ChrisfromAbby]

Dude, I gotta ask - you live in Colorado. Surely there is a source of clean, pure mountain water nearby?

 

[Newtobrewing85]

LHBS is wrong. In fact you need very little. 1/2 to 1/4 a tab is probably enough, but I usually go with a whole tablet because I can't be bothered splitting it. I use Campden or KMBS powder every brew and I DEFINITELY have chloramine in my tapwater.
I also once used some KMBS to lower the chlorine in my hot tub when I overdid it once. True Story.

Hmm wonder why he said that than. He said they remove chlorine but not chloramine.

 

[Newtobrewing85]

Dude, I gotta ask - you live in Colorado. Surely there is a source of clean, pure mountain water nearby?

Eldorado springs water. There’s probably others, a million beers are made here. I’m new so I haven’t researched all this yet.

 

[ChrisfromAbby]

Martin Brungard, author of Brunwater has so stated, let alone many other sources.
I have found many LHBS personel to be less informed than I would like to hope.

https://wineandhop.com/blogs/news/1...are a few easy,brew (works only for chlorine)

 

[Coookies58]

That’s a pretty wide mill gap. The foundry has a basket for mashing, do you use a bag with it? I BIAB so take that into consideration, but my mill is set to about .325, which gets me fairly close to flour. This could explain your low conversion. Boiling a gallon off of that isn’t going to get you to 1.060. How did the OG turn out?

 

[Newtobrewing85]

That’s a pretty wide mill gap. The foundry has a basket for mashing, do you use a bag with it? I BIAB so take that into consideration, but my mill is set to about .325, which gets me fairly close to flour. This could explain your low conversion. Boiling a gallon off of that isn’t going to get you to 1.060. How did the OG turn out?

Is it? I thought you wanted to crack the grain but not beat it to a pulp? I don’t recirc so it shouldn’t be an issue but no I don’t have a bag for it, just the basket.

OG was like 1.051 with about 5 5/8 in the fermenter so I failed

 

[Coookies58]

Is it? I thought you wanted to crack the grain but not beat it to a pulp? I don’t recirc so it shouldn’t be an issue but no I don’t have a bag for it, just the basket.

OG was like 1.051 with about 5 5/8 in the fermenter so I failed

I do t have the foundry, so I can’t attest to how fine it can handle, but the idea of cracking the grain is more for systems where you are sparking and running it off without the ability to pull the grains from the water. A more traditional brewing system. The foundry you can pull the grain pipe out, so no stuck sparges. With a fine mesh bag, you can mill it to flour basically, that drives up efficiency.

 

[Newtobrewing85]

I do t have the foundry, so I can’t attest to how fine it can handle, but the idea of cracking the grain is more for systems where you are sparking and running it off without the ability to pull the grains from the water. A more traditional brewing system. The foundry you can pull the grain pipe out, so no stuck sparges. With a fine mesh bag, you can mill it to flour basically, that drives up efficiency.

Ahh that makes sense than! Well after everything that I went through today if it tastes good I’ll take it. Everything that could have gone wrong went wrong lol. I’ll mill it a bit more for my next brew and see how the efficiency compares. I took a bunch of notes on everything so that’ll help.

 

[jerrylotto]

Hmm wonder why he said that than. He said they remove chlorine but not chloramine.

Sodium metabisulfite reduces free chlorine to form sodium bisulfate (NaHSO4) and hydrochloric acid (HCl)
It also converts chloramines to sodium bisulfate, hydrochloric acid, and ammonium chloride (NH4Cl)

For free chlorine: Na2S2O5 + 3 H2O + 2 Cl2 --> NaHSO4 + 2 HCl
For chloramines (mostly NHCl2 aka dichloramine at typical wort pH around 5.5) : Na2S2O5 + 9 H2O + 2 NH3 +6 Cl2 --> 6 NaHSO4 + 10 HCl + 2 NH4Cl

1.338 parts of sodium metabisulfite are needed to neuitralize each part of chlorine or chloramine

So every part Cl2 (chlorine) or (chloramine (NHCl2) you neutralze adds 2 parts Cl- (chloride) to your brewing profile after reduction (neutralization)

 

[Newtobrewing85]

Sodium metabisulfite reduces free chlorine to form sodium bisulfate (NaHSO4) and hydrochloric acid (HCl)
It also converts bhloramines to sodium bisulfate, hydrochloric acid, and ammonium chloride (NH4Cl)

For free chlorine: Na2S2O5 + 3 H2O + 2 Cl2 --> NaHSO4 + 2 HCl
For chloramines (mostly NHCl2 aka dichloramine at typical wort pH around 5.5) : Na2S2O5 + 9 H2O + 2 NH3 +6 Cl2 --> 6 NaHSO4 + 10 HCl + 2 NH4Cl

1.338 parts of sodium metabisulfite are needed to neuitralize each part of chlorine or chloramine

No one told me chemistry would be involved Thanks, I clearly have much to learn.

 

[jerrylotto]

All you really need is the "what." All the chemistry adds is the why - and sometimes it helps with the how much.

 

[Unicorn_Platypus]

I also used this filter for many years. It removes 97% chloramine

https://www.aquasana.com/countertop-water-filters/claryum-countertop-100236126.html
I switched to the one on morebeer because it works a little quicker. Didn't notice any difference between the two. They both work great for my water. My tap water has a very strong chlorine small straight from the tap. Not sure it its chloramine of chlorine I smell.

 

[SFC Rudy]

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