Proper dry yeast pitching?

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My question is about proper technique for just pitching dry yeast right out of the pouch. I realize that there is a lot of debate and just pitching dry yeast is still generally thought of as inferior to rehydrating or making a starter, but what is the best way to do just pitch dry? Of the three batches I have now pitched dry yeast into, I have sprinkled the yeast over the whole wort surface as indicated on the pouch. Because the beer is always covered in a thick layer of the foam in the fermenter though from aeration, I have generally been taking the ladle used for stirring the wort and sort of gently pressing the yeast down into the beer. This of course causes the yeast to clump together though, and I imagine the foam on the beer would disappear pretty quickly anyway and lower the yeast into the beer, so I'm probably pretty dumb for doing this. Is this initial clumping something I should be concerned about? What is proper procedure for pitching dry yeast as is?
 
I have always sprinkled evenly, let hydrate for 5 minutes and the stir it into the wort clump free. Fermentation generally starts within 3-4 hours.
 
When I pitch dry, I cover as much wort/foam as possible and as evenly as possible. I let it sit for about 5-10 minutes to gradually soak up wort passively. Only once the "dry" appearance is gone do I vigorously stir the wort to mix in the yeast and aerate. This process has worked flawlessly for me, and personally I have never noticed a difference between this and re-hydration in terms lag time, attenuation or beer taste.
 
3-4 hours, really? Wow, I thought it was crazy that mine was taking off in 12 or so.

@Suds.. Good to know about not seeing a difference from rehydration. I haven't done it because it seems to me that people's perception of dry hasn't improved as quickly as the quality.
 
Even as far as big beers go.. I pitched one dry satchel of US-05 into the BB imperial IPA and got 8.7% alcohol out of it in about 4 days, even with my apparently crappy pitching technique.
 
One question I would like to get to the bottom of though, is how detrimental it is for yeast to clump up early such as how I described. Does anybody really know about this?
 
Not only does pitching dry kill or render useless 30-50% of the cells pitched, but the balance will be stressed either by under pitching or by cell wall damage and will produe less than the best results.

Rehydrating is a very easy process as long as you have an accurate thermometer.

So, why skip this easy step???????????????

Bull
 
Unless you've done a side by side comparison on a significant amount of batches and compared the outcomes, you actually don't know. But if it helps you sleep at night go for it.

Not trying to get into a p'ing match here... but I take Danstar's word with regards to their product. If you don't, that's cool, as I said before, to each their own, and I also take your word that you haven't had a problem. However, the OP asked about proper dry yeast pitching. See point 2 under Section 4 - Usage in the following link.

http://www.homebrewit.com/Nottingham_facts.pdf
 
Well, for one, the dead yeast are the perfect nutrients for the ones that survive, but I agree that this is a rather silly reason. Reason number two is that Fermentis says you can do it in their instructions.

http://www.fermentis.com/fo/pdf/HB/EN/Safale_US-05_HB.pdf

Most importantly, if an 11 gram pack contains significantly more cells than I need to pitch anyways....
 
Not trying to get into a p'ing match here... but I take Danstar's word with regards to their product. If you don't, that's cool, as I said before, to each their own, and I also take your word that you haven't had a problem. However, the OP asked about proper dry yeast pitching. See point 2 under Section 4 - Usage in the following link.

http://www.homebrewit.com/Nottingham_facts.pdf

I use mainly Fermentis dry yeasts and they say it's perfectly OK to pitch dry.
 
I use mainly Fermentis dry yeasts and they say it's perfectly OK to pitch dry.

That would be an interpretation, they don't actually say that. Here are the actual words provided by Fermentis on how to pitch their dry yeast:

"Pitching instructions:
Re-hydrate the dry yeast into yeast cream in a stirred vessel prior to pitching. Sprinkle the dry yeast in 10 times its own weight of sterile water or wort at 27C ± 3C. Once the expected weight of dry yeast is reconstituted into cream by this method (this takes about 15 to 30 minutes), maintain a gentle stirring for another 30 minutes. Then pitch the resultant cream into the fermentation vessel.
Alternatively, pitch dry yeast directly in the fermentation vessel providing the temperature of the wort is above 20C. Progressively sprinkle the dry yeast into the wort ensuring the yeast covers all the surface of wort available in order to avoid clumps. Leave for 30 minutes and then mix the wort e.g. using aeration."

Cheers!
 
I just sprinkle the yeast onto the foam and stick the lid on the bucket. The beer comes out fine.

So, why skip this easy step??

Why doesn't everyone click there heels together 3 times and sing "rock the casbah" before beginning the boil? It's easy enough.

Probably because its a waste of time...
 
I love that the average home brewer is smarter than the scientist that work with the product!
If you will take the time, read this!!!!!!!!



From: Dan Listermann
Subject: Yeast Hydration, Infusion Mashing and England

My question to Dr. Cone regards yeast rehydration. All the packages of
yeast contain instructions for rehydration yet they all ferment just fine
without it. I have to believe that such a procedure may be theoretically
beneficial, however it would seem to be margionally usefull at least on a
homebrew scale.

I own a home brew shop and a very common phone call is the ” My beer is not
fermenting.” problem. I go through the list of potential causes ( plastic
bucket lid leaks, too cold, ect.) About twice a week the caller will
indicate that he rehydreated the yeast. This is a strong signal that the
yeast has been damaged and will need to be replaced. I have come to the
conclusion that, since rehydration is not necessary to ferment beer
properly and there is a strong chance that the yeast will be damaged in a
botched rehydration, it is not desirable to recommend such a proceedure.
Just how important is rehydration and is it worth the risk?

Dan Listermann dan at listermann.com 72723.1707 at compuserve.com



Dan,
I appreciate your dilemma It is a universal problem for those that market
Active Dry Yeast.

Let me give you some facts regarding rehydration and you can decide for
yourself where you want to compromise.
Every strain of yeast has its own optimum rehydration temperature. All of
them range between 95 F to 105F. Most of them closer to 105F. The dried
yeast cell wall is fragile and it is the first few minutes (possibly
seconds) of rehydration that the warm temperature is critical while it is
reconstituting its cell wall structure.

As you drop the initial temperature of the water from 95 to 85 or 75 or 65F
the yeast leached out more and more of its insides damaging the each cell.
The yeast viability also drops proportionally. At 95 – 105 F, there is
100% recovery of the viable dry yeast. At 60F, there can be as much as 60%
dead cells.

The water should be tap water with the normal amount of hardness present.
The hardness is essential for good recovery. 250 -500 ppm hardness is
ideal. This means that deionized or distilled water should not be used.
Ideally, the warm rehydration water should contain about 0.5 – 1.0% yeast
extract

For the initial few minutes (perhaps seconds) of rehydration, the yeast
cell wall cannot differentiate what passes through the wall. Toxic
materials like sprays, hops, SO2 and sugars in high levels, that the yeast
normally can selectively keep from passing through its cell wall rush right
in and seriously damage the cells. The moment that the cell wall is
properly reconstituted, the yeast can then regulate what goes in and out of
the cell. That is why we hesitate to recommend rehydration in wort or
must. Very dilute wort seems to be OK.

We recommend that the rehydrated yeast be added to the wort within 30
minutes. We have built into each cell a large amount of glycogen and
trehalose that give the yeast a burst of energy to kick off the growth
cycle when it is in the wort. It is quickly used up if the yeast is
rehydrated for more than 30 minutes. There is no damage done here if it is
not immediatly add to the wort. You just do not get the added benefit of
that sudden burst of energy. We also recommend that you attemperate the
rehydrated yeast to with in 15F of the wort before adding to the wort.
Warm yeast into a cold wort will cause many of the yeast to produce petite
mutants that will never grow or ferment properly and will cause them to
produce H2S. The attemperation can take place over a very brief period by
adding, in encrements, a small amount of the cooler wort to the rehydrated
yeast.

Many times we find that warm water is added to a very cold container that
drops the rehydrating water below the desired temperature.

Sometimes refrigerated, very cold, dry yeast is added directly to the warm
water with out giving it time to come to room temperature. The initial
water intering the cell is then cool.

How do many beer and wine makers have successful fermentations when they
ignore all the above? I believe that it is just a numbers game. Each gram
of Active Dry Yeast contains about 20 billion live yeast cells. If you
slightly damage the cells, they have a remarkable ability to recover in the
rich wort. If you kill 60% of the cell you still have 8 billion cells per
gram that can go on to do the job at a slower rate.

The manufacturer of Active Dry Beer Yeast would be remiss if they offered
rehydration instructions that were less than the very best that their data
indicated.

One very important factor that the distributor and beer maker should keep
in mind is that Active Dry Yeast is dormant or inactive and not inert, so
keep refrigerated at all times. Do not store in a tin roofed warehouse
that becomes an oven or on a window sill that gets equally hot.

Active Dry Yeast looses about 20% of its activity in a year when it is
stored at 75 F and only 4% when refrigerated.

The above overview of rehydration should tell you that there is a very best
way to rehydrate. It should also tell you where you are safe in adapting
the rehydration procedure to fit your clients

Dr. Clayton Cone
 
These threads always bring this to mind:

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Except it's not about being smart, it's about not being necessary in most cases. It's smart to wear a helmet when driving a car. Any technical discussion on automotive safety will agree with this statement. It's just not NECESSARY in most cases. Do I need to search out a document that says we should all wear helmets while driving cars to prove my point, or will common sense and real-world results be enough for you?
 
I started homebrewing because I love to make something great!

Why is this step so hard? It ensures that I have healthy yeast to do the job I'm asking it to do.

I'm willing to take an extra 5 minutes for that.

Bull
 
Whoever said it was hard? I think we can agree that's it's not. It's just not always necessary. How many times does this need to be repeated before it sets in?

If you had 5 minutes left to live, would you spend it rehydrating yeast? :D
 
Bullinachinashop, thanks so much for posting that. Very informative, has the tone of a scientist too (I work in research too, though not in this field). For the rest of you, an amusing word throwing match...
 
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