Double IPA Pliny the Elder Clone

[ThirstyPawsHB]

Thanks for all your help. Looking to put something together soon. Do you recall what the flow rate is on your pump? I'm wanting it to do double duty in an ice water wort chiller. Looking at one that's 66 gph. I assume it sits in the bottom of the kettle and pushes out the warmer water through the wort chiller that you have in the cooler with the ice.

This is my last question here. Just realized I have totally hijacked this Pliny thread. Sorry!

This one. It's cheep and does the job I need. You assume correctly.

As far as hijacking, not tons of traffic here lately so going "off topic" for such an important topic at fermentation temperature can be forgiven. ☺


http://m.homedepot.com/p/Total-Pond-140-GPH-Fountain-Pump-MD11130/202017048/

 

[ThirstyPawsHB]

Coming along nicely. 2nd dry hop in.

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[Resonator]

About to start my second MoreBeer! PTE clone.

Added two oz of Amarillo hops to the recipe to make it a full pound.

1oz @15 min and 1oz dry hops for 5-7 days.

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[ThirstyPawsHB]

About to start my second MoreBeer! PTE clone.

Added two oz of Amarillo hops to the recipe to make it a full pound.

1oz @15 min and 1oz dry hops for 5-7 days.

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You will not be disappointed.

 

[Resonator]

You will not be disappointed.

Haha never have been with MoreBeer! so far. Their lme is really nice -- especially the way they package it. Plus it usually comes next day living in the Bay Area. The worst I had was a tiny pinhole in a bag of maltodextin.

Agh, I totally forgot to grab more muslin bags off the shelf before I added the magnum. Guess I'll have a little more hops residue in the fastferment this time :\

Although, I was kinda thinking about letting the trub settle this time, and racking it off before adding the yeast. Might try that out. :/

 

[ultravista]

You can't beat the MoreBeer Pliny kit when it's on sale. I often get it for less than $40.

I do not mash hop with the Cascade though, it's a waste. Russian River does not mash hop either. Save it and use it elsewhere, say dry hop or another brew.

 

[Resonator]

You can't beat the MoreBeer Pliny kit when it's on sale. I often get it for less than $40.

I do not mash hop with the Cascade though, it's a waste. Russian River does not mash hop either. Save it and use it elsewhere, say dry hop or another brew.

Yea I always feel that way after I look in the bag at the hops. Wish I was doing all grain so I could partigyle it :/

 

[ThirstyPawsHB]

Hi

Haha never have been with MoreBeer! so far. Their lme is really nice -- especially the way they package it. Plus it usually comes next day living in the Bay Area. The worst I had was a tiny pinhole in a bag of maltodextin.

Agh, I totally forgot to grab more muslin bags off the shelf before I added the magnum. Guess I'll have a little more hops residue in the fastferment this time :\

Although, I was kinda thinking about letting the trub settle this time, and racking it off before adding the yeast. Might try that out. :/

Its probably too late, but I've attempted using my SS sanitized strainer when transferring to fermenter. Limited success I might add. The proteins and hops do clog it pretty well.

Ultimately 14 days in the keg clears everything up. I cut off about 1in from the draw tube just for making sure I get clear beer.

 

[Resonator]

Its probably too late, but I've attempted using my SS sanitized strainer when transferring to fermenter. Limited success I might add. The proteins and hops do clog it pretty well.

Ultimately 14 days in the keg clears everything up. I cut off about 1in from the draw tube just for making sure I get clear beer.

Yea, it's already in, but I just dump it trub and all. I can take out most of the hops and trub with the collection ball after a week or two anyways. It always ends up pretty clear other than a few hop leaves from dry hopping occasionally. ( Been too paranoid to use bags after most people claiming it to be the source of infection after dry hopping )

 

[ThirstyPawsHB]

Caved and kegged. Nice fruity and floral flavor/aroma. Could be my best Pliny yet??

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[Resonator]

Caved and kegged. Nice fruity and floral flavor/aroma. Could be my best Pliny yet??

Color looks about right. Hard to tell in a shot glass, and before it's settled though

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Around 4 days and it has some carbonation in the bottles. Color is a bit darker with a slightly fruitier flavor than PTE. Most likely from temp swings in my apt

 

[ThirstyPawsHB]

Looks tasty! Did this batch have Amarillo? And I prefer your beer color..for whatever reason.

 

[Pkrd]

Holy hell. 2 days in the keg, boozy bitter hoppy heaven.

 

[Resonator]

Looks tasty! Did this batch have Amarillo? And I prefer your beer color..for whatever reason.

Nah this is just the regular stock kit one. I have the Amarillo version in the FastFerment. Probably will use warrior to replace magnum next time I brew it.

 

[Resonator]

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Color comparison

Damn chill haze

Edit: after tasting the two mine was a bit more malty and fruity -- from not adding enough water and most likely my thermometer being off -- from overheating the steeping grains.

I actually liked mine a little bit more since it had more body and flavor to it, and about 0.5-1.0% more abv

I just need to find a way to control my temp, and get a better thermometer for brewing

 

[Resonator]

F*** this random ass heatwave! My beer in my primary hit the high 80's

 

[ultravista]

wow, that color is way off. What, and how much, specialty grains did you use?

 

[ThirstyPawsHB]

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Color comparison

Damn chill haze

Edit: after tasting the two mine was a bit more malty and fruity -- from not adding enough water and most likely my thermometer being off -- from overheating the steeping grains.

I actually liked mine a little bit more since it had more body and flavor to it, and about 0.5-1.0% more abv

I just need to find a way to control my temp, and get a better thermometer for brewing

My friends who are heading to Russian River, to bring back 20 PTEs, via Yosemite said it's supposed to hit 102. So much for El Nino.

 

[Resonator]

My friends who are heading to Russian River, to bring back 20 PTEs, via Yosemite said it's supposed to hit 102. So much for El Nino.

Haha tell them to buy ice for it! Hopefully the hops don't fade too much. How long is the trip going to take them?

F***ing heat wave this week brought my fermenter temps all the way up to 88*F I knew I should have done a saison this time. I'm just hoping it's not too bad :/ Think the fermentation mostly finished before it happened, but it definitely sped things up. Might rename the beer to heatwave IPA haha.

 

[ThirstyPawsHB]

Haha tell them to buy ice for it! Hopefully the hops don't fade too much. How long is the trip going to take them?

F***ing heat wave this week brought my fermenter temps all the way up to 88*F I knew I should have done a saison this time. I'm just hoping it's not too bad :/ Think the fermentation mostly finished before it happened, but it definitely sped things up. Might rename the beer to heatwave IPA haha.

They're going to be gone 8 days total. Not sure how long in Yosemite.

Before building the chilling setup, i'd just use ice bath. I've seen other use there bath tube if anything else.

This is my 2nd go around of brewing. I never chilled anything before...think Central Texas summer heat...and beer never turned out well, so I quit. Controlling temps has vastly improved beer quality, and makes for a low stress fermentation.

I am curious what the high temps do.

 

[Resonator]

They're going to be gone 8 days total. Not sure how long in Yosemite.

Before building the chilling setup, i'd just use ice bath. I've seen other use there bath tube if anything else.

This is my 2nd go around of brewing. I never chilled anything before...think Central Texas summer heat...and beer never turned out well, so I quit. Controlling temps has vastly improved beer quality, and makes for a low stress fermentation.

I am curious what the high temps do.

Yea, it's just a little harder to do ice/water baths with the fastferment. :/ Plus, I'm a little hesitant to submerge it in water, since an o-ring is the only thing stopping water from contaminating my beer.

 

[ThirstyPawsHB]

Yea, it's just a little harder to do ice/water baths with the fastferment. :/ Plus, I'm a little hesitant to submerge it in water, since an o-ring is the only thing stopping water from contaminating my beer.

I was thinking about a possible experiment for you. Filling fermenter with water, submerged in a bath with water dyed blue and see if anything comes through. I would think if there's a seal on the inside, the weight of the wort should be good to hold.

 

[ThirstyPawsHB]

1st full glass. Beer lost some floral notes that were pronounced just before kegging. Oh well..

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[Resonator]

1st full glass. Beer lost some floral notes that were pronounced just before kegging. Oh well..

If you're kegging I would almost add the dry hops straight into it, or at least the majority of them.

How long did you dry hop it before racking it to the keg?

Looks nice though.

 

[Resonator]

wow, that color is way off. What, and how much, specialty grains did you use?

I think it's because I didn't add the full amount of water, but it was 6oz of crystal 40L

 

[ThirstyPawsHB]

Resonator,
About 8 days for the 2 dry hops. I only have one keg strainer and was using it for a session rye. Thinking the strainer is not allowing full immersion...maybe just deal with hop material from now on. Kegging seems to clear up fine. Should I go longer dryhops?

 

[Resonator]

Resonator,
About 8 days for the 2 dry hops. I only have one keg strainer and was using it for a session rye. Thinking the strainer is not allowing full immersion...maybe just deal with hop material from now on. Kegging seems to clear up fine. Should I go longer dryhops?

Longer would probably lose more aroma. If you were talking about floral taste, it was probably the fresh hops. You could get a paint strainer bag to dry hop in the keg -- just add some marbles and tie string to the bag. That would add the fresh floral notes.

 

[ThirstyPawsHB]

Leaf or pellet with keg hops?

 

[Resonator]

Leaf would probably be easier to strain, and I feel like they would last longer, but not as intense.

Disclaimer(No really sure, just a hunch. since pellets add more bitterness and absorb quickly. I feel like it would just taste more consistent. Instead of really intense the first week and then fade. Again, nothing to back this up, just a hunch -- so take with a grain of salt)

 

[Resonator]

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So I'm pretty sure my dark color came from adding all of the malt extract at the beginning of the 90 min boil causing it to caramelize and darken. Next time I'm just going to add the LME at 15 min left in the boil to try and keep it lighter.