Please, pronounce it "wert"!

[Craiginthecorn]

Webster's says both are right.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/wort

Webster's has decided that whatever is on common use is correct. Like they think it's okay to pronounce turmeric "too mur ik", conveniently ignoring the first R.

I've tried linking a YouTube video of Fred Astaire and Ginger Rogers singing Let's Call The Whole Thing Off, but for some reason the forum doesn't like the URL. Big black box is all it shows. Oh well.

 

[Drewch]

Watching Youtube videos. Going to the LHBS. Going to the local breweries. All over, I am hearing people who should know better pronouncing the word wort like the word wart. I was taught to say it "wert" not, "wort". Just thought I'd throw it out there.

Woort was the pronunciation that first occurred to me when I saw it written, but I try to use wert now if for no other reason than woort is homophonous with wart (in my idiolect of English), and who wants to drink fermented wart?

 

[McMullan]

When I say Germanic in origin, I mean "descended from vocabulary in the languages spoken by the people groups we now refer to as Germanic," as opposed to being derived from, say, Latin (or one of Latin's modern descendants). Most of the words we use every day are the ones that come from those old Germanic languages. Pick any passage of (non-academic) English prose, look up the etymology of the words in it, and most of the time, most of the words will be from the Germanic branch of the Indo-European family rather than the Italic branch.

But we are clearly at an impasse and talking past each other, and we're off-topic from the OP. So, we must agree to disagree and move on.

You do know that linguistics is a rough social 'science' and that comparisons are mainly untestable hypotheses with directionality pretty much impossible to determine, don't you? I just can't help but view as a load of bollocks mainly

 

[balrog]

clearly, we have too much time on our hands.


That's how I pronounce it all, with apologies to all my German ancestors, maternal and paternal.

 

[Dland]

this thread hasn't covered vorlauf, or spunding yet? i'm dissapointed....lol...not that i'm dissin', or self appointed?

Just between you & me, I sometimes write "recirc" (as in recirculate) in my beer log instead of vorlauf. Have no idea how to say it correctly, but that is OK, I don't really have anyone to talk to about brewing, in person anyway. How is one 'spose to pronounce spunding?

 

[dmtaylor]

Here's a fun one -- the body of the Barley Crusher malt mill is made of aluminum, with cold rolled steel rollers. And...

Aluminum only contains one "i".

 

[DBhomebrew]

Here's a fun one -- the body of the Barley Crusher malt mill is made of aluminum, with cold rolled steel rollers. And...

Aluminum only contains one "i".

The suffix comes from '-ium'

Etymology, good stuff. Bollocks, or not.

 

[Drewch]

Just between you & me, I sometimes write "recirc" (as in recirculate) in my beer log instead of vorlauf. Have no idea how to say it correctly, but that is OK, I don't really have anyone to talk to about brewing, in person anyway. How is one 'spose to pronounce spunding?

There's no brewing commandant that says Thou shalt use German brewing jargon.

 

[Jayjay1976]

The German word for 'word' is wort.
Refer to your worterbuch (word book; vocabulary text) to read lesestück (reading piece; lesson) eins.

The German word for wort, Würtze, means flavoring, seasoning, etc. according to context. Can also mean flavorful, gewürztraminer, flavorful traminer wine.

 

[Komodo]

No, its actually Big Waste of Money.

Wow I totally disagree. Best money I ever spent!

 

[Stormcrow]

Yet English is primarily a Germanic language, which are different from the Romantic languages derived from Latin. We who speak English share a lot of roots with the German language.

You beat me to it.... and robbed me of a rare opportunity to use my English degree.

 

[emac813]

When I hear someone pronounce it the wrong way, I assume they don't make good beer

 

[Stormcrow]

Here's a fun one -- the body of the Barley Crusher malt mill is made of aluminum, with cold rolled steel rollers. And...

Aluminum only contains one "i".

The way they pronounce it across the pond is pretty cool though. I'm kinda jealous of that one.

 

[Knightshade]

Wow...and I thought the root of all modern language came from Greece.

Geez people..lighten up.

 

[TheMadKing]

Reads like you've arrived with a preconceived idea therefore unable to get past what you consider an 'origin' and 'Germanic'. Again, it's a very loose term coughed up for the sake of convenience when offering pretences we know. Me on the hand, I call it bollocks when it's clearly bollocks.

All the words he highlighted are direct old English words and therefore classed in the defined family of Germanic languages. Old English words are still very common in modern english. If you refuse to acknowledge that the field of linguistics has defined a "germanic language family" that's on you, and the world's experts disagree. While the many germanic tribes were indeed genetically diverse, their languages shared enough similarities to group them together and set them apart from latin and its romantic derivatives. If you go back far enough, germanic languages and romance languages share a common root in proto-indo-european along with sanskrit and greek.

Also the Vikings conquered the northern half of England and actually had English kings, see Cnut the Great. So they were far from unsuccessful in their campaigns

if you want to learn more than you ever cared to, I recommend the History of the English Language podcast. It is a very detailed examination of the evidence and grouping of these languages and their connections and divergences.

 

[slayer021175666]

Then you'll need to start spelling it correctly: 'trube' as in lube, cube, tube and ****. Or just call it 'trub' as in rub, tub, spud and Captain Pugwash.

Trub IS the correct spelling. Maybe I'm just not getting what you meant or something.

 

[Velnerj]

Well if we're going to nit pick about pronouncing brewing terms I've got a bone to pick:
Saaz

Is it saws?
Is it zahts?
No.

It's:
Žatecký poloraný Červeňák

Rant over.

 

[balrog]

Well if we're going to nit pick about pronouncing brewing terms I've got a bone to pick:
Saaz

Is it saws?
Is it zahts?
No.

It's:
Žatecký poloraný Červeňák

Rant over.

Covered in another topic somewhere, of this I am fairly certainly almost possibly nearly sure.

Ah, How do YOU pronounce "Saaz"?

 

[Velnerj]

Covered in another topic somewhere, of this I am fairly certainly almost possibly nearly sure.

Ah, How do YOU pronounce "Saaz"?

OK I'll see myself out...

 

[NickTheGreat]

I'm a pretty pedantic fellow, but I did not know this. I'll add it to my list!

 

[SteveH aka shetc]

Great book. You can blame the Welsh for meaningless "do".

 

[McMullan]

All the words he highlighted are direct old English words and therefore classed in the defined family of Germanic languages. Old English words are still very common in modern english. If you refuse to acknowledge that the field of linguistics has defined a "germanic language family" that's on you, and the world's experts disagree. While the many germanic tribes were indeed genetically diverse, their languages shared enough similarities to group them together and set them apart from latin and its romantic derivatives. If you go back far enough, germanic languages and romance languages share a common root in proto-indo-european along with sanskrit and greek.

Also the Vikings conquered the northern half of England and actually had English kings, see Cnut the Great. So they were far from unsuccessful in their campaigns

if you want to learn more than you ever cared to, I recommend the History of the English Language podcast. It is a very detailed examination of the evidence and grouping of these languages and their connections and divergences.

Where did Cnut rule from, exactly? I'd suggest many of your believes in history were conjured up mainly in the 19th century, propagated by 'romantics', misrepresented further by Hollywood and now appear on YouTube as 'facts'. The Vikings no more conquered Northern Britain than they did Iceland. There was very little to conquer in those days and he still claimed to rule offshore, pissing his pants. The Norse influence in the North and along the east coast of England is mainly due to Norse refugees settling after fleeing orcs you celebrate as 'Vikings'. You might want to ask the Icelanders about their history, as they were among the few literate Norse to document it. On that subject, let's not pretend literacy levels were much that far back. Language was mainly a spoken form of communication. Fact is, again, 'Germanic' is conjured up for convenience to offer fake order and sometimes even wild claims. The low levels of literacy/documented history has allowed an awful lot of BS to occupy some people's beliefs. Bollocks mainly.

 

[TheMadKing]

Where did Cnut rule from, exactly? I'd suggest many of your believes in history were conjured up mainly in the 19th century, propagated by 'romantics', misrepresented further by Hollywood and now appear on YouTube as 'facts'. The Vikings no more conquered Northern Britain than they did Iceland. There was very little to conquer in those days and he still claimed to rule offshore, pissing his pants. The Norse influence in the North and along the east coast of England is mainly due to Norse refugees settling after fleeing orcs you celebrate as 'Vikings'.

Many of my "beliefs" in history are founded in research based on primary sources and the fact that I minored in it in college. Ever heard of the Danelaw? The Great Heathen Army? these are all historical facts recorded in the Anglo Saxon Chronical and backed up by archaeological evidence. I don't watch youtube, and you sir may want to go back and review some histories


"As a Danish prince, Cnut won the throne of England in 1016 in the wake of centuries of Viking activity in northwestern Europe. His later accession to the Danish throne in 1018 brought the crowns of England and Denmark together. Cnut sought to keep this power-base by uniting Danes and English under cultural bonds of wealth and custom, as well as through sheer brutality. After a decade of conflict with opponents in Scandinavia, Cnut claimed the crown of Norway in Trondheim in 1028. The Swedish city Sigtuna was held by Cnut (he had coins struck there that called him king, but there is no narrative record of his occupation).[3] In 1031, Malcolm II of Scotland also submitted to him, though Anglo-Norse influence over Scotland was weak and ultimately did not last by the time of Cnut's death.[4][5]"

On an island near Deerhurst, Cnut and Edmund, who had been wounded, met to negotiate terms of peace. It was agreed that all of England north of the Thames was to be the domain of the Danish prince, while all to the south was kept by the English king, along with London. Accession to the reign of the entire realm was set to pass to Cnut upon Edmund's death. Edmund died on 30 November, within weeks of the arrangement. Some sources claim Edmund was murdered, although the circumstances of his death are unknown.[37] The West Saxons now accepted Cnut as king of all of England,[38] and he was crowned by Lyfing, Archbishop of Canterbury, in London in 1017.[39]

https://books.google.com/books?id=plmfAAAAMAAJ
https://books.google.com/books?id=CV-1H24C_MwC&newbks=0&hl=en

 

[cmac62]

Webster's has decided that whatever is on common use is correct. Like they think it's okay to pronounce turmeric "too mur ik", conveniently ignoring the first R.

I've tried linking a YouTube video of Fred Astaire and Ginger Rogers singing Let's Call The Whole Thing Off, but for some reason the forum doesn't like the URL. Big black box is all it shows. Oh well.

I'll try



It worked.

 

[MaxStout]

Americans are notorious for bastardizing "foreign" names. A few geographical examples that come to mind:

New Prague, MN - "noo Prayg"
El Dorado, KS - "el-doh-RAY-do"
Buena Vista County, IA - "BYOO-nuh-VIHS-tuh"
Cairo, IL - "CAY-row"
Madrid, IA - "MAD-rid"

I once overheard a patron in a restaurant asking the waiter about "shiht-tayke" mushrooms mentioned on the menu. Too funny.

 

[McMullan]

Many of my "beliefs" in history are founded in research based on primary sources and the fact that I minored in it in college. Ever heard of the Danelaw? The Great Heathen Army? these are all historical facts recorded in the Anglo Saxon Chronical and backed up by archaeological evidence. I don't watch youtube, and you sir may want to go back and review some histories


"As a Danish prince, Cnut won the throne of England in 1016 in the wake of centuries of Viking activity in northwestern Europe. His later accession to the Danish throne in 1018 brought the crowns of England and Denmark together. Cnut sought to keep this power-base by uniting Danes and English under cultural bonds of wealth and custom, as well as through sheer brutality. After a decade of conflict with opponents in Scandinavia, Cnut claimed the crown of Norway in Trondheim in 1028. The Swedish city Sigtuna was held by Cnut (he had coins struck there that called him king, but there is no narrative record of his occupation).[3] In 1031, Malcolm II of Scotland also submitted to him, though Anglo-Norse influence over Scotland was weak and ultimately did not last by the time of Cnut's death.[4][5]"

On an island near Deerhurst, Cnut and Edmund, who had been wounded, met to negotiate terms of peace. It was agreed that all of England north of the Thames was to be the domain of the Danish prince, while all to the south was kept by the English king, along with London. Accession to the reign of the entire realm was set to pass to Cnut upon Edmund's death. Edmund died on 30 November, within weeks of the arrangement. Some sources claim Edmund was murdered, although the circumstances of his death are unknown.[37] The West Saxons now accepted Cnut as king of all of England,[38] and he was crowned by Lyfing, Archbishop of Canterbury, in London in 1017.[39]

https://books.google.com/books?id=plmfAAAAMAAJ
https://books.google.com/books?id=CV-1H24C_MwC&newbks=0&hl=en

According to excitable historians with very colourful imaginations almost a thousand years later? Remind me what happened to his 'power-base'? Once the peaceful and unarmed folk of Britain organised themselves into a resistance they kicked arse and the Vikings either got tossed into shallow graves or sailed away pissing their pants. Viking era over.

 

[cmac62]

I enjoy a good pedagogic discussion every now and then, but who cares if it is pronounced wert or wart? Really, there are more pressing concerns, like, is my winter ale done fermenting if the air lock has stopped bubbling. LOL

 

[MaxStout]

I'll try



It worked.

I'm kind of partial to this version.

 

[cmac62]

I'm kind of partial to this version.

That's really funny. LOL

 

[Dgallo]

Now… how do you pronounce “kviek”… I don’t think I know two people who say it the same lol