Please help me substitute Weyerman malts for Maris Otter

[DerBraumeister]

Hello

I want to brew some English ales, but can not get any Maris Otter Malt. I can only get Weyerman malts, and not all of them.

I have my eyes on these two recipies:

Hobgoblin clone by Orfy
4.80 kg Marris Otter Pale
0.25 kg Caramel/Crystal Malt
0.20 kg Cara-Pils/Dextrine
0.15 kg Chocolate Malt

And Mild Mannered Ale, also by Orfy
3.00 kg Pale Malt, Maris Otter (3.0 SRM) Grain 76.9 %
0.75 kg Crystal Malt - 60L (Thomas Fawcett) (60.0 Grain 19.2 %
0.15 kg Chocolate Malt (Thomas Fawcett) (508.0 SRMGrain 3.8 %

Is the Weyerman Pale Ale malt a good substitute for Maris Otter?

Would it make sense to try to taste up the Weyerman Pale by mixing it with say Vienna?

This is what I have worked out so far, the colour is probably off, but I am more concerned about a balanced flavour.

Hobgoblin clone:
3 kg Weyerman Pale Ale 3L 56%
2 kg Vienna Malt 3.5L 36%
0.25 kg Caramel/Crystal Malt - Caramunich® I 35L 5%
0.15 kg Chocolate Malt - Carafa® Type 3 320L 3%

And Mild Mannered Ale, also by Orfy
2 kg Weyerman Pale Ale 3L 51 %
1 kg Vienna Malt 3.5L 26%
0.75 kg Crystal Malt - Caramunich® I 35L Grain 19.2 %
0.15 kg Chocolate Malt- Carafa® Type 3 320L Grain 3.8 %

Hopping would be according to the original recipies.

Thanks alot!

 

[vtchuck]

Try Victory or Biscuit malt... .5 to .75 lbs for a 5 gallon batch

 

[DerBraumeister]

Try Victory or Biscuit malt... .5 to .75 lbs for a 5 gallon batch

Thanks for your answer.

Sorry, but those are not available here in the land of cheese, wathces and chocolate. But the FAQ on the Weyerman site recommends melanoidin malt as a substitute for Victory.

 

[david_42]

Or about 5% of their lightest caramunich.

 

[DerBraumeister]

Or about 5% of their lightest caramunich.

Thanks for your answer.
Are you suggesting I change it like this (I already had the lightest Caramunich in there so I discarded the Vienna and raised the Caramunich by 5%, but I can also get Carared 17L or Caraamber 26L):

Hobgoblin clone:
5 kg Weyerman Pale Ale 3L 87%
0.5 kg Caramel/Crystal Malt - Caramunich® I 35L 10%
0.15 kg Chocolate Malt - Carafa® Type 3 320L 3%

And Mild Mannered Ale, also by Orfy
3 kg Weyerman Pale Ale 3L 72 %
1 kg Crystal Malt - Caramunich® I 35L Grain 24 %
0.15 kg Chocolate Malt- Carafa® Type 3 320L Grain 3.8 %

 

[david_42]

looks good.

 

[DerBraumeister]

Ok thanks. But what would you say about this grain bill for the Hobgoblin clone?

4 kg Wienna 78%
1 kg Carared 17L 19 %
0.15 kg Chocolate Malt - Carafa® Type 3 320L 3%

From the Weyerman site:
Use:
* Red Ale
* Red Lager
* Scottish Ale
* Amber Wheat
* Bock Beer
* Brown Ale
* Alt Beer
Result:
* fuller body
* improved malt aroma
* >deep saturated color
* red color
It can take up to 25% of the grain bill.