Operation: Find the Shittiest Deal on MyBeerCellar.com

[stupac2]

To be honest, I'm surprised that the website hasn't been seized by the ATF yet.

It's apparently legal according to them.

 

[Ziggy]

It's apparently legal according to them.

I'm no lawyer, but the re-sale of alcohol to other people on the internet with the intent for profit seems red-flagish.

 

[BusinessSloth]

Not MBC but I found this pretty funny.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Super-Rare-Dogfish-Head-Steampunk-Uber-Beer-Tap-Handle-NIB/301595226851?_trksid=p2045573.c100034.m2102&_trkparms=aid=222007&algo=SIC.MBE&ao=1&asc=20131003150253&meid=50d1e5b5a87d4882824f196d5b4eade7&pid=100034&rk=1&rkt=8&sd=191521726922

For $2000 you could build a few of those yourself.

 

[stupac2]

I'm no lawyer, but the re-sale of alcohol to other people on the internet with the intent for profit seems red-flagish.

But I don't think it violates any federal laws.

 

[bdogg1]

But I don't think it violates any federal laws.

I think they get away with it because of the wording in their terms of agreement.

 

[Dooley]

I think they get away with it because of the wording in their terms of agreement.

They get away with it because it's a relatively small operation that doesn't really warrant federal attention. If they were illegally selling burkas it would be a different story.

 

[stupac2]

I think they get away with it because of the wording in their terms of agreement.

They get away with it because it's a relatively small operation that doesn't really warrant federal attention. If they were illegally selling burkas it would be a different story.

According to the ATF guy I spoke with both of these are wrong. The site is not violating federal law, so it's not an ATF problem.

Now, that guy may be wrong, but I'd trust his opinion before armchair legal theories.

 

[Ziggy]

According to the ATF guy I spoke with both of these are wrong. The site is not violating federal law, so it's not an ATF problem.

Now, that guy may be wrong, but I'd trust his opinion before armchair legal theories.

It was just a hunch on my part. Like i said i'm no legal expert. It just seems like a shady operation

 

[stupac2]

It was just a hunch on my part. Like i said i'm no legal expert. It just seems like a shady operation

Oh, it certainly is. But its shadiness is apparently restricted to violating state laws, which it almost certainly does (but, uh, so does pretty much everyone here).

 

[Dooley]

According to the ATF guy I spoke with both of these are wrong. The site is not violating federal law, so it's not an ATF problem.

Now, that guy may be wrong, but I'd trust his opinion before armchair legal theories.

The site facilitates unregulated interstate commerce involving alcohol. If the ATF wanted to go after them, they could.

 

[stupac2]

The site facilitates unregulated interstate commerce involving alcohol. If the ATF wanted to go after them, they could.

This is what I thought too, but, ACCORDING TO THE ATF ITSELF, it's not the case.

 

[oregonskibum1]

The site facilitates unregulated interstate commerce involving alcohol. If the ATF wanted to go after them, they could.

So does this site, and BA, and others. Legal description of commerce includes the exchange of goods and services for other goods and services, ie trading. If some federal agency decides to come after MBC, they wouldn't just come after one small site. They would target BA/TB/RB as well. Or more likely just skip the websites altogether and go after FedEx and UPS.

 

[mattvandyk]

So does this site, and BA, and others. Legal description of commerce includes the exchange of goods and services for other goods and services, ie trading. If some federal agency decides to come after MBC, they wouldn't just come after one small site. They would target BA/TB/RB as well. Or more likely just skip the websites altogether and go after FedEx and UPS.

To be fair, the definition of "interstate commerce", as that phrase has come to be interpreted over the years under federal law, is so broad, one cannot take a crap in the U.S. without participating in it.

 

[Ziggy]

So does this site, and BA, and others. Legal description of commerce includes the exchange of goods and services for other goods and services, ie trading. If some federal agency decides to come after MBC, they wouldn't just come after one small site. They would target BA/TB/RB as well. Or more likely just skip the websites altogether and go after FedEx and UPS.

Now you guys are all correct, trading and resale are violations of state alcohol laws. However, i was leaning more towards mybeercellar "getting shut down" because it involves untaxed monetary transactions. When the state/fed gov doesn't get their dime, then they come bitching. Trading (sending beer in the mail) is still technically illegal, however, it is harmless in the sense that no financial transaction between two parties for a product occurred. There's no denying that when the government doesn't manage to get tax money from something, it is then illegal.

 

[Ziggy]

You guys have seen this **** right??

http://mybeercellar.com/?itm=12641

 

[Ziggy]

dat 10,000 dollar two bottle shipper tho

EDIT: free shipping too!!!

 

[stupac2]

Now you guys are all correct, trading and resale are violations of state alcohol laws. However, i was leaning more towards mybeercellar "getting shut down" because it involves untaxed monetary transactions. When the state/fed gov doesn't get their dime, then they come bitching. Trading (sending beer in the mail) is still technically illegal, however, it is harmless in the sense that no financial transaction between two parties for a product occurred. There's no denying that when the government doesn't manage to get tax money from something, it is then illegal.

I was told that because the tax is paid at the original point of sale, the feds consider it a done deal.

 

[drgarage1]

I was told that because the tax is paid at the original point of sale, the feds consider it a done deal.

That's an interesting interpretation of the law. You still need to pay sales tax on a used car...

 

[tifosichris1]

You guys have seen this **** right??

http://mybeercellar.com/?itm=12641

It says in the description it's a joke

 

[drgarage1]

It says in the description it's a joke

Only largely in jest.

 

[tifosichris1]

Only largely in jest.

"I'd accept $9k"

 

[stupac2]

That's an interesting interpretation of the law. You still need to pay sales tax on a used car...

Cars are different from normal things, just like booze.

Anyway, I was surprised. Just relaying what I was told.

 

[oregonskibum1]

Cars are different from normal things, just like booze.

Anyway, I was surprised. Just relaying what I was told.

The ATF - or more specifically today the TTB - collects taxes on booze produced. They don't tax distributors, retailers or consumers on the sale of booze. That's the state's job. And each state is different. Which also means each state-to-state agreement is different. Why do you think so few places [legally] ship alcohol any more?

 

[drbenzo1]

You guys have seen this **** right??

http://mybeercellar.com/?itm=12641

It says in the description it's a joke

 

[Ziggy]

Only largely in jest.

What is this "jest" you speak of? What does it mean? Where is it from?

 

[mattvandyk]

What is this "jest" you speak of? What does it mean? Where is it from?

It's a place where offers are made and considered; each evaluated on its own merits and size...until the Jester decides upon a suitable suitor.

 

[BusinessSloth]

The site facilitates unregulated interstate commerce involving alcohol. If the ATF wanted to go after them, they could.

The ATF goes after airsoft guns they claim could be converted into real guns. It's been well established they're bumbling idiots.

 

[RayP]

Anyone wanna go halves on a $200 empty bottle?

http://mybeercellar.com/?itm=9679

 

[BusinessSloth]

http://mybeercellar.com/?itm=33224

That name though.

**WHITE WHALE ALURT** Pass me my harpoon.

 

[HenrikO]

http://mybeercellar.com/?itm=33224

That name though.

**WHITE WHALE ALURT** Pass me my harpoon.

"Forget Cantillon" lol