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This **** is out of control. When did taking advantage of people in trades become a thing? Should I blame the millennials? The Pokémon traders?
I've just never understood it.

There was a post over on a Facebook group inquiring about the value of a particular beer. Can't remember what it was but some collab with Tired Hands(?), Side Project and a couple others. Anyway, guy says he wants to know what it's worth so when trades it he's not getting ripped off. Someone called him out and he got super defensive. It's just the same **** over and over again.
 
Never dealt with him personally but he's normally extremely reasonable and generous. I am pretty sure he gave someone a D2 for a Scooop when it was first released.

I don't trade so I suppose I may be out of my depth here, but aren't those both brewery only, hyped up, barrel aged stouts? How does a 1:1 swap make you extremely reasonable and generous?
 
I don't trade so I suppose I may be out of my depth here, but aren't those both brewery only, hyped up, barrel aged stouts? How does a 1:1 swap make you extremely reasonable and generous?

I'll actually defend that one. Scooop was like 500ish bottles, available to the public if you lined up early enough on a Friday for $30 (I think?), and was released much more recently. Derivation 2 was something stupid like a 60 bottle release (I could be off on that, and more of them may have trickled out since), don't know the cost but I think it was invite-only (i.e. for "preferred customers" or whatever who spend a ton of money at that Wine & Cheese place in St. Louis). Derivation trading is almost always stupid, but knowing some people who have gone out looking for that one (without an inside edge, i.e. friend with a bottle etc.), that particular bottle is a real bitch to track down.
 

Like I said, never dealt with him personally but that's the reputation I know.

I don't trade so I suppose I may be out of my depth here, but aren't those both brewery only, hyped up, barrel aged stouts? How does a 1:1 swap make you extremely reasonable and generous?

I'll actually defend that one. Scooop was like 500ish bottles, available to the public if you lined up early enough on a Friday for $30 (I think?), and was released much more recently. Derivation 2 was something stupid like a 60 bottle release (I could be off on that, and more of them may have trickled out since), don't know the cost but I think it was invite-only (i.e. for "preferred customers" or whatever who spend a ton of money at that Wine & Cheese place in St. Louis). Derivation trading is almost always stupid, but knowing some people who have gone out looking for that one (without an inside edge, i.e. friend with a bottle etc.), that particular bottle is a real bitch to track down.

Julian pretty much nailed it. I don't know the exact count on D2 bottles that were released to the public but I do know it's under 100 (88 is sticking out in my mind but I am not sure). Also, I think it was either $50 or $60 a bottle when it was sold to the public at their super-secret handshake society release. It's pretty universally considered to be the best of the Derivation series as well so super low bottle count, expensive price, and reputation as being the best of a fantastic series make it brutally difficult to get ahold of. I've heard they will occasionally sell a bottle a the brewery for on-site consumption only but they are few and far between.
 
I've taken a few too many blows to the head over the years and I obviously drink a lot so my memory isn't what it used to be but I'm pretty confident.

This was when I shared a post in a FB group I'm apart of where some ******** in FL put up an ISO D1+D2 FT: Scooop post. He fired back saying he was talking to this guy but he closed it for D2 alone. He did have screenshots of their PM where ethos said he closed it so I do believe it. That was right when Scooop was first released and most traders were hanging back waiting for it to level off before determining if they wanted to go for it because the asks were lofty to put it mildly.
 
Am I wrong in thinking this one is not bad? Those Fuzzy magnums were pretty expensive, weren't they, like $140 or something? Plus he's offering the choice of another (pretty good) Side Project bottle.

I agree. For reference, my buddy got one for a B1 BT GNVP + Rye Black Magick 2:1.
 
I've taken a few too many blows to the head over the years and I obviously drink a lot so my memory isn't what it used to be but I'm pretty confident.

This was when I shared a post in a FB group I'm apart of where some ******** in FL put up an ISO D1+D2 FT: Scooop post. He fired back saying he was talking to this guy but he closed it for D2 alone. He did have screenshots of their PM where ethos said he closed it so I do believe it. That was right when Scooop was first released and most traders were hanging back waiting for it to level off before determining if they wanted to go for it because the asks were lofty to put it mildly.

If ethos did trade a D2 for a Scooop I'd have to agree that was very generous on his part. I know that beer trades for ridiculous stuff.

Am I wrong in thinking this one is not bad? Those Fuzzy magnums were pretty expensive, weren't they, like $140 or something? Plus he's offering the choice of another (pretty good) Side Project bottle.

I remember hearing the magnums were ungodly expensive. That doesnt mean that they were worth the sticker price though (but I'm admittedly not a fan of the Side Project small format sours). I got curious about the secondary price on it and did a quick search (shitlordy I know...) and it's pretty clear it's quite off from 3x Vanilla Rye.
 
There should be some consideration on "generosity" when considering trades like whatever hyped beer for whatever hyped beer.

I'm just not sure it is necessarily generosity that motivates such trades- sometimes it is probably just ambiguity of what it takes to get something done and the person offering not really considering the cost (or in some cases not having to due to having a lot of resources).
 
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