Only state whereit's illegal to brew beer

[Halbrust]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/...ing-bill_n_2925432.html?utm_hp_ref=weird-news

 

[BigJack]

I find the hypocrisy of a "red state" like Alabama still restricting the private lives of residents in such an archaic way. I thought conservatism was about getting government out of our lives as much as reasonably possible. Telling someone you can't let yeast and sugar do their thing in your own damn kitchen is terribly intrusive.

 

[processhead]

I find the hypocrisy of a "red state" like Alabama still restricting the private lives of residents in such an archaic way. I thought conservatism was about getting government out of our lives as much as reasonably possible. Telling someone you can't let yeast and sugar do their thing in your own damn kitchen is terribly intrusive.

In some areas, it's less about the party politics in government and more about the prevailing religious beliefs in that state.

 

[ACbrewer]

In some areas, it's less about the party politics in government and more about the prevailing religious beliefs in that state.

Don't forget the possiblity of 'cronyish' basically that the current beer sellers are affraid that if HB comes in, they will loose market share or something silly like that.

Personally I think a state like AL should take the move of 1. legalize HB and 2 legalize the 'd word.' But then that is just me.

 

[BigJack]

In some areas, it's less about the party politics in government and more about the prevailing religious beliefs in that state.

Which is equally hypocritical. I'm a theologically conservative Christian- and the Bible says that Jesus once made about 160 gallons of water into wine for a wedding party where the crowd had already been drinking all day.

The reality is that tea-totalers don't give a damn about political philosophy or sound theology. They just want to tell other people what to do. There's nothing American or Christian about such an attitude.

 

[homebrewdad]

Which is equally hypocritical. I'm a theologically conservative Christian- and the Bible says that Jesus once made about 160 gallons of wine for a wedding party where they crowd had already been drinking all day.

The reality is that tea-totalers don't give a damn about political philosophy or sound theology. They just want to tell other people what to do. There's nothing American or Christian about such an attitude.

Agree with you 100%. I'm conservative on both theological and political fronts - and I find zero basis for being able to tell other people what they can or cannot do in the privacy of their own home (provided that they are not creating a risk to the safety or rights of the public).

Don't tell me what to do in my kitchen. I have no right to tell you what to do in your bedroom. These are not mutually exclusive ideas, no mtter what the "religious right" would like for you to believe.

 

[DPBISME]

I find the hypocrisy of a "red state" like Alabama still restricting the private lives of residents in such an archaic way. I thought conservatism was about getting government out of our lives as much as reasonably possible. Telling someone you can't let yeast and sugar do their thing in your own damn kitchen is terribly intrusive.

I think you are putting way to much politics in to this... Since I don't think Alcohol Laws (strange ones most of the time) are a Conservative or Liberal concept. I am a former Army Officer and way right wing but I have also lived in the South and know a little about the history of this country.

Remember probation? Probably not and you might not know that it lasted 13 years, Not a short time, and for those who know a little bit about brewing history in this country you know that this is what gave rise to the "Big 5" or however many breweries survived probation. They were able to weather probation much better than Mom and Pop breweries.

The South and other places such as Pennsylvania still have vestige of Blue Laws that are 50 plus years old.

Hell, we State Stores here and the Government directly control the sale of Booze…

Ya, I think the Alabama Law is archaic but no more stupid than a bunch of the laws Liberals have passed in other States… I mean it is no different than New York City passing Soft-drink portion control…

There was a video a year or so ago of the not so bright legislators grandstanding on this issue… I could not find it but it would depress you to see the low level of intellect of the people making the decision.

 

[Misplaced_Canuck]

Don't tell me what to do in my kitchen. I have no right to tell you what to do in your bedroom. These are not mutually exclusive ideas, no matter what the "religious right" would like for you to believe.

Brew in the bedroom, scr*w in the kitchen. I like the idea. LOL

MC

 

[BigJack]

Brew in the bedroom, scr*w in the kitchen. I like the idea. LOL

MC

That's post of the day material. Well played.

 

[Misplaced_Canuck]

That's post of the day material. Well played.

T'would also end up with a rather different type of rug burn, if your bedroom is carpeted.

MC

 

[PastorofMuppets]

It is very stupid that it is still a law.

I feel very much the same being from Indiana, the only state that does not allow alcohol sales on Sunday.
The liquor store owners are afraid their business will suffer somehow.
The debate comes up every and every year the Good ol boys win out.

 

[homebrewdad]

It is very stupid that it is still a law.

I feel very much the same being from Indiana, the only state that does not allow alcohol sales on Sunday.
The liquor store owners are afraid their business will suffer somehow.
The debate comes up every and every year the Good ol boys win out.

In Alabama, lots of counties/cities do not allow alcohol sales on Sunday. These are local, not state, laws... but still.

 

[PastorofMuppets]

In Alabama, lots of counties/cities do not allow alcohol sales on Sunday. These are local, not state, laws... but still.

I was ignorant of the dry/wet/moist county thing for the longest time. So many people minding so many other peoples business.

The argument that there would be more highway accidents as a result of allowing homebrewing is insanity. The fact that its a felony is a worse insanity.

 

[ACbrewer]

Well while we are at it, why don't we go total Europe and get rid of the 21 drinking age. I read an arguement for the 18 drinking age, but I figure it should be even younger like 0. But then I don't know France, Ireland, Spain, Germany, England or Italy's drink/youth drinking rate.

 

[PastorofMuppets]

I would be in total favor of a unifying age of adulthood.
One age for

Voting
Drinking
driver license
serving in military
etc

I think 21 but would also be for 18.
A 18 year old service man can go off to war to kill or be killed but cant legally open a beer.

 

[Fennis]

Well while we are at it, why don't we go total Europe and get rid of the 21 drinking age. I read an arguement for the 18 drinking age, but I figure it should be even younger like 0. But then I don't know France, Ireland, Spain, Germany, England or Italy's drink/youth drinking rate.

I agree with you that there should be no age limit to drinking. We make a big deal out of nothing and instead create a whole different type of problem where high school and college age kids binge drink because alcohol is marketed towards young adults and its seems in our culture as this cool, but taboo thing to do under this magical number of 21 years old. Yet, I bet the majority of posters here had their first drink well before 18 or 21--we seemed to turn out okay in the end.

As for old blue laws, we still have them here in Maine too, though they are fading away. The last alcohol related one is that you cannot buy alcohol before 9am on Sunday. The other stupid blue laws here are that car dealerships are closed and you cannot hunt on Sunday.

 

[Yooper]

We're treading on taking this to political/religious posts. Remember our forum rules, and take any religious/political/controversial topics and comments to the Debate Forum.

Thanks.


As written:
Talk of everyday things in life. Keep it clean!
Absolutely No government, political, religious or controversial issues.

 

[Jayhem]

As written:
Talk of everyday things in life. Keep it clean!
Absolutely No government, political, religious or controversial issues.

Well this is certainly a controversial issue, just like whether IPA's are a trend or not is controversial. :cross:

Personally I feel that telling someone they can't make something at home that can be legally purchased at the store is like telling someone they can't have sex at home, they have to purchase sex at the local government taxed sex-store! It's just a way for the government to control its tax revenue and it's citizens.

Dry counties have to be the silliest thing I've ever encountered. I was once in TN or NC in a "dry county" and the boys and I were on a motorcycle camping trip and just wanted to purchase a 12 pack of beer. Well the gas station clerk told us it was a "dry county" and then told us we could buy beer 5 miles away in the next county. Kinda defeats the purpose of the law doesn't it? So not only do county residents still drink but they probably drink while driving on the way back from picking up the beer 5, 10 or 20 miles away!

 

[bdb7098]

Lots of different blue laws out there. Are there no home brew shops in Alabama? Here in WI, where there is a lot of beer and a lot of drinking, you can't buy any alcohol in a store after 9pm. In Washington state they still have state liquor stores, to the best of my knowledge, and that's a pretty blue state.

 

[BigJack]

We're treading on taking this to political/religious posts. Remember our forum rules, and take any religious/political/controversial topics and comments to the Debate Forum.

Thanks.


As written:
Talk of everyday things in life. Keep it clean!
Absolutely No government, political, religious or controversial issues.

Understood. My bad.

 

[alestateyall]

Dry counties have to be the silliest thing I've ever encountered.

I can go one better. My county in Mississippi is wet for alcoholic beverages (defined as whiskey and wine) but dry for beer! My city in said county is wet for both.

My homebrew club president lives in the county but not the city. With Mississippi's new homebrew law my homebrew club president can't brew since the law only applies in municipalities where it is legal to possess beer.

 

[alestateyall]

I can go one better. My county in Mississippi is wet for alcoholic beverages (defined as whiskey and wine) but dry for beer! My city in said county is wet for both.

My homebrew club president lives in the county but not the city. With Mississippi's new homebrew law my homebrew club president can't brew since the law only applies in municipalities where it is legal to possess beer.

PS. You can make homemade wine in any county in Mississippi without volume limits.

 

[ACbrewer]

PS. You can make homemade wine in any county in Mississippi without volume limits.

So Mississippi has no limits, but the Fed's still do at 100/200 per person/household.

I'd be interested to know what is 'wine' and what is 'beer' in Mississippi. Fed law (well TTB website) implies that if it has any malt = beer, and any naturally fermented beverage with no malt=wine (so mead=wine in the law, but braggot or malted mead = beer)

 

[alestateyall]

So Mississippi has no limits, but the Fed's still do at 100/200 per person/household.

I'd be interested to know what is 'wine' and what is 'beer' in Mississippi. Fed law (well TTB website) implies that if it has any malt = beer, and any naturally fermented beverage with no malt=wine (so mead=wine in the law, but braggot or malted mead = beer)

If there is a federal limit on homemade wine Mississippi residents have to follow it of course. The Mississippi homemade wine law is from 1934. They probably didn't worry about limits then.

There is a definition of wine in the Mississippi law. There was list of fruits which could be used to make wine. I can't remember the specifics but malt was not on the list of allowed ingredients.

 

[SynthesisError]

If there is a federal limit on homemade wine Mississippi residents have to follow it of course. The Mississippi homemade wine law is from 1934. They probably didn't worry about limits then.

There is a definition of wine in the Mississippi law. There was list of fruits which could be used to make wine. I can't remember the specifics but malt was not on the list of allowed ingredients.

It's something to the effect of any fruit or berry which is produced in the state.