OFFICIAL De Garde + Tillamook County Thread!

[JulianB1]

Dat glass!

 

[TheBronze]

Dat glass!

 

[falc0n26001]

The event page says "The last of our quarterly release events". Does that mean the last one this year, or the last one EVER??

 

[kscaldef]

The event page says "The last of our quarterly release events". Does that mean the last one this year, or the last one EVER??

I'm pretty sure they mean "for the year"

 

[Kurmaraja]

Yeah, I think the real explanation is that they do it because they can and that's what the market will bear. There probably is some truth to operational costs being higher in California but I have no idea what Cascade's problem is.

I'm no brewer but I have a hunch that the sours Cascade is making take longer than the Bu. Time = money is at least a partial explanation. Now I acknowledge that time does not necessarily equal quality or taste but I feel like in some cases we're comparing very different things just because they're all "sour / wild beers". The new corvette has as good as / better performance than many a porsche ... but just saying "they're all sports cars" and asking "why can one person get away with charching XXX" isn't really legit. A Porsche is still a Porsche. (Please don't see this as "demeaning" De Garde as being a Corvette ... it's just an analogy!) There are really two layers: the cost of producing and the value of the outcome. De Garde just seems to hit aces on both - low cost of production and high value outcome. Maybe, say, Cascade has high cost of production and high value outcome and we're mad that they aren't as cheap as De Garde. Seems, possibly, off to me.

Before people attack me for defending XYZ brewery, let me say I'm really just expressing a hunch that some beers may be more expensive to produce. Look at Maple Samson from the upcoming release - $18. That's not crazy, but it's a far cry from $7 Hose, right? And for obvious reasons. One thing I've always found sort of brilliant about De Garde is that they've found a way to do what a lot of non-sour/wild breweries do but exclusively with wild beers: make a "mass produced" product that can fund more costly / experimental stuff. Look at many businesses doing interesting stuff and you'll note they have something - an IPA, a sedan (toyota), an advertising product (google), etc - that gives them the freedom to experiment. Without looking at finances I'd guess that the Bu are produced relatively quickly (like an IPA ... though, yeah, longer than that) and provide cash flow allowing De Garde to start doing the stuff that takes longer (e.g. Belle Ensemble and Corbeau Noir from the upcoming Keeper's releases).

In short, we shouldn't totally hang other breweries that can't match $7 bottles of gose without digging a bit deeper.

 

[ASUBeer]

Unless of course those breweries are more expensive and have an inferior product.

In which case, de Garde much success.

 

[degardebrewing]

I'm no brewer but I have a hunch that the sours Cascade is making take longer than the Bu. Time = money is at least a partial explanation. Now I acknowledge that time does not necessarily equal quality or taste but I feel like in some cases we're comparing very different things just because they're all "sour / wild beers". The new corvette has as good as / better performance than many a porsche ... but just saying "they're all sports cars" and asking "why can one person get away with charching XXX" isn't really legit. A Porsche is still a Porsche. (Please don't see this as "demeaning" De Garde as being a Corvette ... it's just an analogy!) There are really two layers: the cost of producing and the value of the outcome. De Garde just seems to hit aces on both - low cost of production and high value outcome. Maybe, say, Cascade has high cost of production and high value outcome and we're mad that they aren't as cheap as De Garde. Seems, possibly, off to me.

Before people attack me for defending XYZ brewery, let me say I'm really just expressing a hunch that some beers may be more expensive to produce. Look at Maple Samson from the upcoming release - $18. That's not crazy, but it's a far cry from $7 Hose, right? And for obvious reasons. One thing I've always found sort of brilliant about De Garde is that they've found a way to do what a lot of non-sour/wild breweries do but exclusively with wild beers: make a "mass produced" product that can fund more costly / experimental stuff. Look at many businesses doing interesting stuff and you'll note they have something - an IPA, a sedan (toyota), an advertising product (google), etc - that gives them the freedom to experiment. Without looking at finances I'd guess that the Bu are produced relatively quickly (like an IPA ... though, yeah, longer than that) and provide cash flow allowing De Garde to start doing the stuff that takes longer (e.g. Belle Ensemble and Corbeau Noir from the upcoming Keeper's releases).

In short, we shouldn't totally hang other breweries that can't match $7 bottles of gose without digging a bit deeper.

Pretty well said.
And ill absolutely agree that comparing a berliner or gose to most other wild ales on a cost front is a bit silly. They cost a few cents less to make per bottle, and are quicker turnaround. Also, in our case, they dont typically see fresh barrels which are usually our highest cost per beer.

A better comparison would be to take our $12-14 bottles (everything else we make).

We had a hard time setting the price for Maple Samson. It cost us almost exactly twice as much to make as our most expensive beer to date. It turns out that utilizing two rounds of fresh barrels is damn expensive! But i didnt believe that the end result was duplicable by aging in two seperate barrels and blending.
We ended up pricing it to only include our extra cost, with no extra net profit in it. Bad business, but its a great beer and thats as high as we were comfortable going. It is not indicative of any change in pricing on our top end.

Breweries should be able to hit LESS than $7/750ml gose and berliner. It can be a cheap and very fast beer to make as I said in a different thread on here. We like fermenting and aging in oak, which is a longer and more expensive process.

BUT, we will have our first round of Bu and Petit Desay on the market by the end of this month. $4/22oz is our retail target.

 

[nodamagedone]

I'm no brewer but I have a hunch that the sours Cascade is making take longer than the Bu. Time = money is at least a partial explanation. Now I acknowledge that time does not necessarily equal quality or taste but I feel like in some cases we're comparing very different things just because they're all "sour / wild beers". The new corvette has as good as / better performance than many a porsche ... but just saying "they're all sports cars" and asking "why can one person get away with charching XXX" isn't really legit. A Porsche is still a Porsche. (Please don't see this as "demeaning" De Garde as being a Corvette ... it's just an analogy!) There are really two layers: the cost of producing and the value of the outcome. De Garde just seems to hit aces on both - low cost of production and high value outcome. Maybe, say, Cascade has high cost of production and high value outcome and we're mad that they aren't as cheap as De Garde. Seems, possibly, off to me.

Before people attack me for defending XYZ brewery, let me say I'm really just expressing a hunch that some beers may be more expensive to produce. Look at Maple Samson from the upcoming release - $18. That's not crazy, but it's a far cry from $7 Hose, right? And for obvious reasons. One thing I've always found sort of brilliant about De Garde is that they've found a way to do what a lot of non-sour/wild breweries do but exclusively with wild beers: make a "mass produced" product that can fund more costly / experimental stuff. Look at many businesses doing interesting stuff and you'll note they have something - an IPA, a sedan (toyota), an advertising product (google), etc - that gives them the freedom to experiment. Without looking at finances I'd guess that the Bu are produced relatively quickly (like an IPA ... though, yeah, longer than that) and provide cash flow allowing De Garde to start doing the stuff that takes longer (e.g. Belle Ensemble and Corbeau Noir from the upcoming Keeper's releases).

In short, we shouldn't totally hang other breweries that can't match $7 bottles of gose without digging a bit deeper.

I had said as much earlier - but then deleted my post when I saw that Cascade charges $20 for their gose. Same style, likely same time to produce, $13 more.

 

[JulianB1]

degardebrewing if a tall, gangly, middle-aged, glasses-wearing doctor from South Carolina named John shows up today or this weekend, please tell him what a ********* he is and refuse to serve him any beer.

And also tell him that I borrowed a bunch of homebrewing equipment from his garage and will have it back on Sunday.

 

[JulianB1]

This is a masterpiece in brewing. Had I joined the Keepers Society and gotten this one beer alone it would have been worth it.

 

[ASUBeer]

This is a masterpiece in brewing. Had I joined the Keepers Society and gotten this one beer alone it would have been worth it.

Truff. And dat glass

 

[parkingphi]

BUT, we will have our first round of Bu and Petit Desay on the market by the end of this month. $4/22oz is our retail target.

Am I the only one who read this part?!

 

[degardebrewing]

Am I the only one who read this part?!

YES

WUT

 

[degardebrewing]

I had said as much earlier - but then deleted my post when I saw that Cascade charges $20 for their gose. Same style, likely same time to produce, $13 more.

Next spring we should be having dry hopped batches batches available for ~$5.
Just keeping that discrepancy rolling.

 

[parkingphi]

YES

WUT

and

 

[degardebrewing]

and

Phuck Phi.
Thats some scary ****.
LYMI.

 

[kscaldef]

I might be scarred for life

 

[degardebrewing]

I might be scarred for life

I might be scared for life.

I would also like a Cuban sammy.

Just keeping this thread on track.

 

[user 306349]

degardebrewing, you need to do a batch of Hose in tequila barrels. Jose?

 

[degardebrewing]

degardebrewing, you need to do a batch of Hose in tequila barrels. Jose?

That'd be an expensive batch.

IN.

 

[parkingphi]

That'd be an expensive batch.

IN.

And charge only Tree Fiddy for it.

 

[user 306349]

That'd be an expensive batch.

IN.

don't forget the worm

 

[Podunkparte]

don't forget the worm

 

[OakedCanuck]

Is anybody here going to the Block 15 release on the 22nd, then heading to De Garde after? I am hoping to make it down to the DG party and was hoping to trade for a Framboise Black. If you are doing both events and have a Black available for trade, please hit me up! Thanks! -Colin

Edit: I have KDS Spice Wars...

 

[Wagon Circler]

That release on the 22nd looks - not sure if I used that in appropriate context.

 

[beefandbean22]

If anyone wants to go to the Block 15 brunch beforehand, my +1 backed out, so I now have an open spot. Just message me if you might be interested!

 

[libbey]

Ppppppp

 

[degardebrewing]

Ppppppp

Exactly.

 

[neorunner]

and

What is this from?

 

[parkingphi]

Home video.