Obnoxious Football Trash Talk Thread

[h22lude]

Hey jackasses, we should be talking about Indy spanking Denver. Not your passé NE game that was an L

There is still 15 minutes left. Peyton has plenty of time. As much as I want them to lose, it isn't over for them yet.

 

[h22lude]

My source is the actual rule book

And you know the guy who did that video said the call was right. Hmm, maybe you're understanding what he meant as second level is wrong? Maybe the NFL cleaned up the language to make it clear since March, I dunno. Your source is a video of a guy explaining a rule who said the refs got it right, my source is the official rule book. Hmmmm wonder which one is more right. Video that may be outdated or have been misspoken, or the actual words. HMMMMMMMMMM

My source is the NFL website. If that video is outdated or incorrect then they need to update or remove that video. Show me I'm wrong and I'll happily say you are right.

 

[hoppyhoppyhippo]

My source is the NFL website. If that video is outdated or incorrect then they need to update or remove that video. Show me I'm wrong and I'll happily say you are right.

https://www.nfl.info/download/2012MediaGuides/2013%20NFL%20Rule%20Book.pdf

There's my source, the freaking rule book.

Now hit control+F then type in "rule 9" then read down to defensive team formation (article 3) then read the very last bullet.

Can't make it any simpler.

 

[Krovitz]

I know you guys hate the Pats and we have a lot of fun here, but how can you not be furious just as football fans?!? This isn't week one. It is a penalty that was arbitrarily flagged in overtime, almost halfway through the g.d. season!

 

[h22lude]

https://www.nfl.info/download/2012MediaGuides/2013%20NFL%20Rule%20Book.pdf

There's my source, the freaking rule book.

Now hit control+F then type in "rule 9" then read down to defensive team formation (article 3) then read the very last bullet.

Can't make it any simpler.

Well from that you are right. They should update or remove the video I found from their site. From that video it seems like it deals with second level defensive but the rule book doesn't specify.

I stand corrected.

 

[hoppyhoppyhippo]

Well from that you are right. They should update or remove the video I found from their site. From that video it seems like it deals with second level defensive but the rule book doesn't specify.

I stand corrected.

Honestly the rule may have been second level at first, then they changed it realizing that technically something like the Pats did would be legal but is still dangerous.

 

[hoppyhoppyhippo]

I know you guys hate the Pats and we have a lot of fun here, but how can you not be furious just as football fans?!? This isn't week one. It is a penalty that was arbitrarily flagged in overtime, almost halfway through the g.d. season!

I would be pissed it it happened against me. I got pissed at the refs for called OPI on Roddy White when he did push off but they missed when the defender engaged him first beyond the 5 yard buffer.

 

[h22lude]

Honestly the rule may have been second level at first, then they changed it realizing that technically something like the Pats did would be legal but is still dangerous.

Yeah I assume that is what happened too.

I would be pissed it it happened against me. I got pissed at the refs for called OPI on Roddy White when he did push off but they missed when the defender engaged him first beyond the 5 yard buffer.

Some times I think they call PI calls too close. I like watching players fight for the ball. Obviously pulling the player down or knocking his arm so he can't catch the ball is a penalty but the little pushing that happens should be played.

On a semi related side note, that roughing the passer call against Denver for the chest bump was a little much. Yeah he gave Luck a little bump butLuck definitely flopped.

 

[andysim]

For a regular season game? Please. This was at least a rule that is clearly on the books and was enforced. The question of whether it should be a rule is a good one, and personally I don't like it. With the "tuck rule" the refs essentially made something up on the field to justify their huge man crushes on Brady and get them to the Super Bowl.

Darwin..... I totally agree with you. Patriots getting paid back.

 

[Punity]

I love this thread when the pats lose, a feisty bunch they can be.

 

[motobrewer]

I love this thread when the pats lose, a feisty bunch they can be.

also, blatantly moronic.

 

[Darwin18]

I know you guys hate the Pats and we have a lot of fun here, but how can you not be furious just as football fans?!? This isn't week one. It is a penalty that was arbitrarily flagged in overtime, almost halfway through the g.d. season!

Ohh...maybe you should be furious at your dumb ass player who committed a legal on the books penalty? That might be a good start. It's not like the refs made up a penalty to get you to the Superbowl right? I mean, shiiiit, that would be really messed up right?

Nah, I think you should be furious at the GM of your team, who has showed appalling arrogance in assembling a group of junior college-talent misfits around his star quarterback. Do you honestly think that the Pats lose yesterday with Welker on the field? No f'in way.

 

[hoppyhoppyhippo]

Well from that you are right. They should update or remove the video I found from their site. From that video it seems like it deals with second level defensive but the rule book doesn't specify.

I stand corrected.

Woke up today and seemingly found out what happened. The rule proposal was amended before it was passed to ban pushing of any "Team B" teammate at the line of scrimmage.

 

[Cape Brewing]

Ohh...maybe you should be furious at your dumb ass player who committed a legal on the books penalty? That might be a good start. It's not like the refs made up a penalty to get you to the Superbowl right? I mean, shiiiit, that would be really messed up right? Nah, I think you should be furious at the GM of your team, who has showed appalling arrogance in assembling a group of junior college-talent misfits around his star quarterback. Do you honestly think that the Pats lose yesterday with Welker on the field? No f'in way.

(Eyeroll). Dumbest post on this whole thread.

I am so sick of this ridiculously idiotic argument. "Ewwww. Your coach is arrogant. He got rid of Welker!!"

When Welker was allowed to walk the Pats had two dominant TEs... One turned out to a psychopath murderer (yeah... Right.. The Pats "should have known"... Right). And Gronk was supposed to be out for a fraction of what he actually was. Hernandez was a much larger, more WR than he was TE and between him and Edelman, they could have filled any holes left by Wes "I've dropped every effin important pass ever thrown to me" Welker. As a safety net , they grabbed Amendola. Hernandez doesn't murder people and Gronk doesn't take four years to come back from a broken forearm and this "Belichick is soooo arrogant" stupid bllsht never comes up.

The guy is a freakin slot receiver on a team with, at the time, two dominant tight ends, an emerging running game, and two guys who could sub in (Edelman and Amendola)... in addition to freakin Hernandez, for any balls Welker would have dropped.

It's effin pure stupidity. "Ohhhh they need Welker".

 

[h22lude]

Woke up today and seemingly found out what happened. The rule proposal was amended before it was passed to ban pushing of any "Team B" teammate at the line of scrimmage.

Oh OK. I bet that video was made before they amended the rule and just never updated to show the new rule. The rule book definitely shows the amended version.

 

[Darwin18]

(Eyeroll). Dumbest post on this whole thread.

I am so sick of this ridiculously idiotic argument. "Ewwww. Your coach is arrogant. He got rid of Welker!!"

He also got rid of most of the receivers from last season, not just Welker. All of whom were vastly superior to the garbage they've been putting out on the field all season.

When Welker was allowed to walk the Pats had two dominant TEs... One turned out to a psychopath murderer (yeah... Right.. The Pats "should have known"... Right). And Gronk was supposed to be out for a fraction of what he actually was. Hernandez was a much larger, more WR than he was TE and between him and Edelman, they could have filled any holes left by Wes "I've dropped every effin important pass ever thrown to me" Welker. As a safety net , they grabbed Amendola. Hernandez doesn't murder people and Gronk doesn't take four years to come back from a broken forearm and this "Belichick is soooo arrogant" stupid bllsht never comes up.

Belichick replaced Welker with an injury-prone, albeit talented, slot receiver who is hurt all the damn time. Seriously the guy was labeled as injury prone, and surprise, surprise, is injured all the freaking time.

I know numbers are a concept that hurt Pats fans brain, but please do try to keep on this concept:

TDs in 2013
Welker: 8
Amendola: 0

And before you start with the whole, "well he's playing with Manning blah blah blah." Amendola is playing with Tom Terrific, First of his Name, King of the Whiners and the Over-rated, Lord of New England and Protector of Bill Belicheck's HOF legacy.

The guy is a freakin slot receiver on a team with, at the time, two dominant tight ends, an emerging running game, and two guys who could sub in (Edelman and Amendola)... in addition to freakin Hernandez, for any balls Welker would have dropped.

It's effin pure stupidity. "Ohhhh they need Welker".

So, what you're saying, is that if Welker had been on the field for the Pats yesterday they still would have lost to the Jets? As a Jets fan, and someone who has seen Welker destroy us time and time again, I very much doubt that. Still, please continue with your blind loyalty to Belichick. The man can do no wrong.

I also love the "well it's not our fault Hernandez is pyschopath murderer". Admit it though, you'd take him back if they'd give him bail and allow him to play before sentencing.

 

[Cape Brewing]

No... what I'm saying is if the Pats had a fraction of the team they thought they had... before a TE started murdering people and 40 injuries, Welker would have been a complete and total non-factor.

It's like the Jets losing half the effin D and me sitting here saying, "What an arrogant fck Rex Ryan is (or their GM) for letting Revis go!"

It's really easy in hindsite, after a pile of unforeseen circumstances to second guess the situation.

I also find it hilarious that a JETS fan has a sandy vag over Belichick being "arrogant"... he's "arrogant" because he doesn't talk to the media and comes accross as Darth Vader but yeah... Rex Effin Ryan who has't won sht... ever... has been the biggest trash talker in the league since he took over for hte Jets... that's fine.. but Belichick is "arrogant". Child please.

 

[Krovitz]

Ohh...maybe you should be furious at your dumb ass player who committed a legal on the books penalty? That might be a good start. It's not like the refs made up a penalty to get you to the Superbowl right? I mean, shiiiit, that would be really messed up right?

Nah, I think you should be furious at the GM of your team, who has showed appalling arrogance in assembling a group of junior college-talent misfits around his star quarterback. Do you honestly think that the Pats lose yesterday with Welker on the field? No f'in way.

******* players committing stupid penalties? Let's start with the Jets D line having no f'ing clue what a neutral zone infraction is. But Brady was probably cheating with his snap count. And where was Welker last night? Oh yeah, dropping 4th quarter passes to help the Broncos get their first loss of the season to the Colts! Face it, the jets at their best, still need some fluke flag to barely win against a junior college team of misfits, minus Welker, their defensive probowlers, Talib, Vereen, etc, playing at their worst.

 

[Darwin18]

******* players committing stupid penalties? Let's start with the Jets D line having no f'ing clue what a neutral zone infraction is. But Brady was probably cheating with his snap count. And where was Welker last night? Oh yeah, dropping 4th quarter passes to help the Broncos get their first loss of the season to the Colts! Face it, the jets at their best, still need some fluke flag to barely win against a junior college team of misfits, minus Welker, their defensive probowlers, Talib, Vereen, etc, playing at their worst.

Please. The Jets were supposed to be competing for a top 5 draft pick this season. Who picked them to be just a game back in the AFC East at this point? Anyone? Anyone? The fact that they've beaten anyone is impressive given the fact that they're starting a rookie QB, lost their starting TE and RB from last season, are trotting out no names at WR, and have arguably one of the worst head coaches in the NFL.

Keep crying about how the refs correctly called that penalty on the Pats. They could have, I don't know, played some offense instead of giving the Jets the ball in OT or, God forbid, some defense. But, yes, keep crying about that call.

No... what I'm saying is if the Pats had a fraction of the team they thought they had... before a TE started murdering people and 40 injuries, Welker would have been a complete and total non-factor.

It's like the Jets losing half the effin D and me sitting here saying, "What an arrogant fck Rex Ryan is (or their GM) for letting Revis go!"

There's some important differences between Revis and Welker. Revis wanted a monster contract and was coming off of a major injury. Welker was a known quantity who had been well under-paid compared to his production in previous years. The Pats had the flexibility and cap room to easily take Welker at market value - at least with the numbers that I've seen floated out there. They ultimately decided to go in another, more injury prone, direction. So far that hasn't paid out. Maybe next season or the season after, it will look like a smart decision. I would not hold my breath.

I also find it hilarious that a JETS fan has a sandy vag over Belichick being "arrogant"... he's "arrogant" because he doesn't talk to the media and comes accross as Darth Vader but yeah... Rex Effin Ryan who has't won sht... ever... has been the biggest trash talker in the league since he took over for hte Jets... that's fine.. but Belichick is "arrogant". Child please.

Every Jets fan I've run into has a love/hate relationship with Ryan. Yes, we love the swagger and the attitude, but could the dude just shut the hell up once in a while and win some games to back it up? That's why Ryan is ultimately suited for a defensive coordinators role and not a head coach position.

Now I want to remind you all that next week you're facing a more talented Miami team. What, a what excuses, will Pats fans come up with for next week's loss?

 

[hoppyhoppyhippo]

No... what I'm saying is if the Pats had a fraction of the team they thought they had... before a TE started murdering people and 40 injuries, Welker would have been a complete and total non-factor.

You really think Welker would be a non-factor? Obviously he would have been double covered and what not but that frees up coverage and keeps teams honest. Plus it gives Brady someone he has history with.

 

[h22lude]

You really think Welker would be a non-factor? Obviously he would have been double covered and what not but that frees up coverage and keeps teams honest. Plus it gives Brady someone he has history with.

Having Welker definitely would have helped. I can't say they would have won with him but Brady is definitely a QB that likes history. His players need to know where to be at the exact right moment because he is throwing to that spot and thinks you will be there. That takes a lot of practice (aka history). That is why Gronk being able to practice and him coming back was so huge. He knows where to be...though I think he needed a game or two to get back into the swing of things.

Simply put, the Pats lost because of terrible TERRIBLE coverage by the D and some not so good offensive plays. They scored 27 points which isn't bad but the offense can't win the games anymore. The defense needs to be able to make stops. Jets WRs were wide open and that just can't happen. It is turning into a passing league and to win a game you need the D to stop some of those passes. Didn't happen for the Pats. They have been fighting this battle for a few years now.

 

[Cape Brewing]

You really think Welker would be a non-factor? Obviously he would have been double covered and what not but that frees up coverage and keeps teams honest. Plus it gives Brady someone he has history with.

You guys keep taking the team as it is RIGHT NOW and saying, "Welker would have helped!". No sht. ANY decent WR would have helped on the team as it is RIGHT now.

My point is, when Walker was allowed to walk, there was no real reason to think that they couldn't easily replace his production with... again... the two tight ends, the running backs, and then Edelman and Amendola. They weren't replacing Welker with Amendola. They weren't replacing Welker with Edelman, so showing stats between the two/three is stupid. They were basically saying, "Given everything else we have, our slot WR position isn't going to be as important and we can cover it with a combination of other things while we focus on other parts of the offense".

Hernandez started murdering people, Gronk took forever to come back. Amendola is dead...

"Ohhhhh Welker would save this team!!" BLLsht...

Welker has 44 catches for 474 yards.

Julian Edelman... a fcking re-purposed QB... has 46 catches for 455 yards playing Wes' old position.

"Oh but Wes has 8 TDs to Edelman's 2"!! big effin whoop. You're telling me Welker catches more TDs than Edelman this year in the Pat's offense?? gimme an effin break.

... and then... on top all of that... blame Belichick's "incredible arrogance" for letting Welker walk... given what he thought his offense was going to look like?? That's comical.

 

[bob1852]

Pats fans continuing to whine and complain never gets old...

 

[Darwin18]

Jets WRs were wide open and that just can't happen. It is turning into a passing league and to win a game you need the D to stop some of those passes. Didn't happen for the Pats. They have been fighting this battle for a few years now.

I hear it helps to video tape your opponents practices so that you know where to position your defense accordingly.

 

[bluemoose]

The Pats offered more tHan Denver by many reports. Don't say the Pats weren't willing to spend. They weren't willing to throw crazy money, but the same as Denver, sure.
I will also say the Cape is exactly correct. Before the draft our prospects for a Great receiving Season were there. The guys we lost in the offseason were not the answer.

 

[h22lude]

I hear it helps to video tape your opponents practices so that you know where to position your defense accordingly.

I heard that too but Rex doesn't like that and tells on you lol

 

[Darwin18]

My point is, when Walker was allowed to walk, there was no real reason to think that they couldn't easily replace his production with... again... the two tight ends, the running backs, and then Edelman and Amendola. They weren't replacing Welker with Amendola. They weren't replacing Welker with Edelman, so showing stats between the two/three is stupid.

They clearly signed Amendola to replace Welker. Amendola is a slot receiver. Welker is a slot receiver. Welker signed with another team so the Patriots signed Amedola. This isn't a difficult concept...

Amendola was signed to be a younger, less irritating to management, replacement for Welker. He has all the tools to be just as successful. So yeah, I think comparing the statistic between the two is more than fair. And enough of the "Maaaaaam Welker only has more touchdowns because his QB is Maaaaanning". You have Tom Brady as a QB. Tom F'in Brady. And Amendola has zero TDs this season. Zero. The guy is clearly either vastly under-performing or Brady isn't an elite QB in the same stratosphere as Manning. Is that what you're saying?

Hernandez started murdering people, Gronk took forever to come back. Amendola is dead...

"Ohhhhh Welker would save this team!!" BLLsht...

Welker has 44 catches for 474 yards.

Julian Edelman... a fcking re-purposed QB... has 46 catches for 455 yards playing Wes' old position.

Both Amendola and Edleman have been playing the slot this season as Welker's replacement. Amendola has only played three games and done nothing. 159 yards and 0 TDs. Edelman has done better - 456 yards (golf clap) and only 2 TDs. It should be noted that 118 of those 456 yards (26% for those let down by the MA school systems) came in the Atlanta game and both TDs (stay with me, 100%) came against Buffalo.

Welker meanwhile has 456 yards and 8 TDs. More importantly, those 8 TDs were accrued in 4 of the last 5 games he's played.

"Oh but Wes has 8 TDs to Edelman's 2"!! big effin whoop. You're telling me Welker catches more TDs than Edelman this year in the Pat's offense?? gimme an effin break.

Yep. You're telling me that Edelman is a more talented slot receiver than Welker? Gimme an effin break.

... and then... on top all of that... blame Belichick's "incredible arrogance" for letting Welker walk... given what he thought his offense was going to look like?? That's comical.

The GM of the team is responsible for maintaining the depth chart and ensuring that there is adequate talent to overcome routine losses. Gronkowski's slow recovery was well documented, but I don't think many people saw Hernandez as a stone cold serial murderer. Letting Welker go but replacing him with Amendola was a gamble given Amendola's medical problems but still, Belichick at least replaced him. What's the excuse for the rest of the garbage lining up on offense or the lack of depth on defense? Brady can only drag that train wreck so far. Miami is going to expose a lot of weaknesses for the Pats next weekend

 

[Cape Brewing]

Lol

 

[Cape Brewing]

You've convinced me man.... Damn that Belichick and his arrogance!!!! If he had just signed Wes Welker, the Pats would be so much better!! He would have had a ton more yards and TDs than anyone else in the league, he could have played both Tight End positons... And then both interior lineman positions... Linebacker who has led the team in tackles every year he's been on the team AND played shut-down corner ... Dammmmmmmn that Belichick!!!! If we only had Welker!!!!

 

[Cape Brewing]

Oh. By the way Darwin... Just as a reminder... That train wreck is still ahead of the Jets in the standings.

So the Jets can take their shine-box and call me when they lead the division... Which might be another 20 years.

 

[Krovitz]

How about that d bag Peyton? Oh, he lost because it was an emotional game and he was tired. The look on his retarded face every time he loses is priceless. I really thought he was going to start crying.

 

[Cape Brewing]

Good news on the Jermichael Finley front... It looks like he's up and around without any really serious injuries.

 

[Cape Brewing]

Stay classy Jets fans...

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/jets-fan-punches-pats-gal-big-victory-article-1.1491263

 

[Darwin18]

Stay classy Jets fans...

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/jets-fan-punches-pats-gal-big-victory-article-1.1491263

She had it coming.

 

[Accidic]

(Eyeroll). Dumbest post on this whole thread.

I am so sick of this ridiculously idiotic argument. "Ewwww. Your coach is arrogant. He got rid of Welker!!"

When Welker was allowed to walk the Pats had two dominant TEs... One turned out to a psychopath murderer (yeah... Right.. The Pats "should have known"... Right). And Gronk was supposed to be out for a fraction of what he actually was. Hernandez was a much larger, more WR than he was TE and between him and Edelman, they could have filled any holes left by Wes "I've dropped every effin important pass ever thrown to me" Welker. As a safety net , they grabbed Amendola. Hernandez doesn't murder people and Gronk doesn't take four years to come back from a broken forearm and this "Belichick is soooo arrogant" stupid bllsht never comes up.

The guy is a freakin slot receiver on a team with, at the time, two dominant tight ends, an emerging running game, and two guys who could sub in (Edelman and Amendola)... in addition to freakin Hernandez, for any balls Welker would have dropped.

It's effin pure stupidity. "Ohhhh they need Welker".

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt on Hernandez but Welker was a security blanket plain and simple. And a pretty durable one at that. As for Belicheck's arrogance... I have no issue with that. Makes him entertaining, same as Ryan.

You guys keep taking the team as it is RIGHT NOW and saying, "Welker would have helped!". No sht. ANY decent WR would have helped on the team as it is RIGHT now.

My point is, when Walker was allowed to walk, there was no real reason to think that they couldn't easily replace his production with... again... the two tight ends, the running backs, and then Edelman and Amendola. They weren't replacing Welker with Amendola. They weren't replacing Welker with Edelman, so showing stats between the two/three is stupid. They were basically saying, "Given everything else we have, our slot WR position isn't going to be as important and we can cover it with a combination of other things while we focus on other parts of the offense".

Hernandez started murdering people, Gronk took forever to come back. Amendola is dead...

"Ohhhhh Welker would save this team!!" BLLsht...

Welker has 44 catches for 474 yards.

Julian Edelman... a fcking re-purposed QB... has 46 catches for 455 yards playing Wes' old position.

"Oh but Wes has 8 TDs to Edelman's 2"!! big effin whoop. You're telling me Welker catches more TDs than Edelman this year in the Pat's offense?? gimme an effin break.

... and then... on top all of that... blame Belichick's "incredible arrogance" for letting Welker walk... given what he thought his offense was going to look like?? That's comical.

Yes, Edelman is a decent receiver. But Brady was desperate for new blood. He threw at Gronk 17 gd times yesterday of which he caught less than half of ffs.

You've convinced me man.... Damn that Belichick and his arrogance!!!! If he had just signed Wes Welker, the Pats would be so much better!! He would have had a ton more yards and TDs than anyone else in the league, he could have played both Tight End positons... And then both interior lineman positions... Linebacker who has led the team in tackles every year he's been on the team AND played shut-down corner ... Dammmmmmmn that Belichick!!!! If we only had Welker!!!!

TDs across different teams mean jack**** but I do think the Pats would have been more stable and won the games they won more convincingly with Welker than without. He's used Edelman frequently because frankly... It's all he's f'n had. NE, prior to this week anyway, is like the only team with worse receivers than the Jets for crying out loud.

 

[day_trippr]

^2 LOL! Classic!

Things I think I know:

- Under the circumstances, the Pats miss Welker terribly.

- Welker was let go because he tried his case in the media and that's definitely not The Patriot Way. Don't wanna hear any other theory, that's the only one that makes any sense. He pissed off Kraft and Belichick, and that was that. A trip to the basement, a bullet to the head. Over.

- For the most part, and considering their manpower losses of late, the Pats defense played pretty well.

- The Pats second half offense meltdown was clearly the root cause for the loss. It certainly wasn't due to anything done by the Jets - they suck, and in a huge way. And that ridiculous flag at the end
was just the candle on the crap cupcake that the offense baked. They had plenty of opportunities to bury the Jets, and failed.

- And the offense play selection was consistently thoughtless - like McDaniels was throwing darts at his play book while blindfolded. I've seen this before - in his previous stint before he failed in the head coach slot. Most teams adjust during half time, but if there was any adjustment yesterday, it was to play stupid. WTF?

- I attended the memorial service of a very close family friend yesterday, and didn't watch the game until last night. Scrupulously managed to avoid even the slightest hint of the outcome all day until the DVR had run its course. Seriously, the memorial was better time spent - by far. That was one fuggly game by the Pats...

Cheers anyway!

 

[bob1852]

Stay classy Jets fans...

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/jets-fan-punches-pats-gal-big-victory-article-1.1491263

Jet's fan punches people.

Patriot's player kills people.

True story.

 

[bob1852]

The sign of a true gambling addict is betting a lot of money on the Vikings-Giants game tonight.

 

[Accidic]

I was on a winning streak and bet 10k on a Boston College / Pittsburgh game once. Does that count?

 

[Darwin18]

The sign of a true gambling addict is betting a lot of money on the Vikings-Giants game tonight.

Take the Giants and the over.