Obnoxious Football Trash Talk Thread

[the_bird]

It looked nasty as hell and I will even say dirty. If it was just a one time thing I wouldn't have called it dirty but he tried to do the exact same thing on heap in the end zone about 10 minutes before. On that one though Heap was falling backwards and Meriweather missed and just grazed him. Look at both replays though and it looked like it was intentionally going for the helmet to helmet.

Honestly, I think (not even just this situation) leading with your helmet and making helmet to helmet contact should be an immediate ejection. That can cause some serious injuries to both guys. Fining them isn't going to do ****. They need to be tossed and/or suspended for it.

That's what Rodney Harrison was saying (of course, he wouldn't have been saying that if he was still playing ).

I agree in principal, but I hate giving the refs that much leeway. It'd basically be like the NBA, where there are personal fouls, Flagrant 1s, and Flagrant 2s. The difference between a "1" and a "2" seemed to mostly be intent, and that's not something that's easy to judge.

Speaking of personal fouls - what the hell was up with that shove that the Ravens running back did late in the game? They were already backed up, but that basically put them in a 3rd-and-forever when they still had a chance to go down the field and kick a field goal. THAT was a dumb play. It wasn't the most vicious shove in the world, but cripes, you've got to be smarter than to just shove a guy right in front of the ref. Just wait until the next scrum and punch him in the nuts, don't push the guy right where EVERYONE see it and you kill your team's chances.

 

[Cape Brewing]

It looked nasty as hell and I will even say dirty. If it was just a one time thing I wouldn't have called it dirty but he tried to do the exact same thing on heap in the end zone about 10 minutes before. On that one though Heap was falling backwards and Meriweather missed and just grazed him. Look at both replays though and it looked like it was intentionally going for the helmet to helmet.

Honestly, I think (not even just this situation) leading with your helmet and making helmet to helmet contact should be an immediate ejection. That can cause some serious injuries to both guys. Fining them isn't going to do ****. They need to be tossed and/or suspended for it.

I don't disagree with you at all on what they should do about it. If it was that bad, then yeah, he deserves some kind of suspension and they need to get that out of the league to whatever extent they can.

I honestly couldn't tell in the stadium and I haven't see the replay on TV. Like I was saying before, from the one quick replay they showed at the stadium it honestly did look almost accidental but I'll take your word on it.

Ravens still lost though... let's not lose sight of that.

 

[dataz722]

That's what Rodney Harrison was saying (of course, he wouldn't have been saying that if he was still playing ).

I agree in principal, but I hate giving the refs that much leeway. It'd basically be like the NBA, where there are personal fouls, Flagrant 1s, and Flagrant 2s. The difference between a "1" and a "2" seemed to mostly be intent, and that's not something that's easy to judge.

It would be really hard to judge and maybe it is something that should be reviewed by a booth ref first. I just think something needs to be done immediately because more than likely you are removing someone for the other team for at least the rest of that game. No reason you should be allowed to continue to play.

Speaking of personal fouls - what the hell was up with that shove that the Ravens running back did late in the game? They were already backed up, but that basically put them in a 3rd-and-forever when they still had a chance to go down the field and kick a field goal. THAT was a dumb play. It wasn't the most vicious shove in the world, but cripes, you've got to be smarter than to just shove a guy right in front of the ref. Just wait until the next scrum and punch him in the nuts, don't push the guy right where EVERYONE see it and you kill your team's chances.

Yeah, that was ****ing stupid. I couldn't even see what happened to cause it. I am sure he got shoved or something first, but who cares. In that situation you need to just let it go. The weird thing is, it is pretty unusual for him to do something like that.

 

[Cape Brewing]

I hear ya Bird on that is a tough ting to put in the ref's hands... intent... but I would rather see a guy (even a Pats player) bounced as the result of a bad call and then thinking twice about doing it for real the next time... than see guys with the amount of serious concussions that the NFL is seeing.

 

[dataz722]

Not just defensive players either. Eject Hines Ward a couple of times and bet he will think twice.

 

[the_bird]

I mean, thinking it over, the intent doesn't really matter. A hit like Meriweather's (or the two Jerome Harrison hits), the intention is irrelevant. The defender either:

A. MEANT to hurt the offensive player, in which case he needs to be kicked out, or
B. Is playing out of control and is a danger because of that.

I'd HOPE that the threat of suspension would be enough to keep players in check, and that there weren't more than a handful of times per year when players were kicked out of games. As objective as I can be, I'd view Meriweather's hit as being borderline - but certainly if he did it again, he'd be gone.

I'd also hope that if the league were to do this, maybe they'd lighten up a little bit on some of the ridiculous amount of protection that QBs get. Not talking hits to the head, but when a defensive player is only a half-step from the QB when the ball is released and makes a clean hit, you see a lot of fouls that really shouldn't BE fouls. Get rid of the dirty stuff, get rid of the helmet-to-helmet, have very low tolerance for that but otherwise let them play.

Incidentally, read an article once that made a fairly compelling argument that the best way to reduce head injuries in football.... get rid of the helmets. Look at sports like rugby, which are just as violent but where there are not as many head injuries despite no helmets, because the players know that they can't lead with their damn head! Football helmets lend an unwarranted sense of invincibility.

Would never happen, and players are probably too conditioned to go in head-first for it to be effective, but was an interesting perspective.

 

[dataz722]

I'd also hope that if the league were to do this, maybe they'd lighten up a little bit on some of the ridiculous amount of protection that QBs get. Not talking hits to the head, but when a defensive player is only a half-step from the QB when the ball is released and makes a clean hit, you see a lot of fouls that really shouldn't BE fouls. Get rid of the dirty stuff, get rid of the helmet-to-helmet, have very low tolerance for that but otherwise let them play.

I couldn't agree with that more. There is no reason that QBs should get special treatment. They are still a damn football player.

Incidentally, read an article once that made a fairly compelling argument that the best way to reduce head injuries in football.... get rid of the helmets. Look at sports like rugby, which are just as violent but where there are not as many head injuries despite no helmets, because the players know that they can't lead with their damn head! Football helmets lend an unwarranted sense of invincibility.

You have a point there, but there is no way in hell that would ever happen.

 

[Cape Brewing]

LoL. I cant take anyone with an avatar like that seriously.

Hey! Did anyone see the Ravens lose yesterday? I did.

 

[dataz722]

LoL. I cant take anyone with an avatar like that seriously.

I guess that makes us even then.

 

[bob1852]

Wasn't Chuck Cecil (AZ Cardinals among others) pretty much kicked out of the league for constant spearing?

 

[the_bird]

It should be noted that the Patriots are AGAIN on track for an 18-1 season.

There are still a lot of ups and downs, but it's hard not to be impressed with how well the defense has played at times. They're either terrible or unstoppable, but that's an improvement over the "consistently mediocre" of recent years. The Pats ain't peaked yet.

 

[Cape Brewing]

I hope Dan Marino broke his forearm fisting himself this morning after his dead-on prediction of the Ravens "dominating" the Pats. Whatta jerk. Hey Dan, why don't you take your Super Ring and go pound... Oh. Wait. Thats right

 

[the_bird]

I'm laughing right now, listening to Tom Jackson postulate about how the Cowboys feel about their coach. We all know how much expertise Tom Jackson has in those matters.

 

[ChshreCat]

It should be noted that the Patriots are AGAIN on track for an 18-1 season.

Really? They're 4-1 right now. So I'd say they're on pace to go 13-3 in the regular season. Where'd you learn your math?

Oh, and they're one OT field goal away from being tied with the Seahawks. How's THAT for perspective?!? LOL

 

[the_bird]

I base my projections off a three-game moving average.

 

[the_bird]

Should have posted this last week...

 

[motobrewer]

Incidentally, read an article once that made a fairly compelling argument that the best way to reduce head injuries in football.... get rid of the helmets. Look at sports like rugby, which are just as violent but where there are not as many head injuries despite no helmets, because the players know that they can't lead with their damn head! Football helmets lend an unwarranted sense of invincibility.

i read something like that too. but rugby is fundamentally different, they actually tackle. if you go in with your shoulder without the intent to wrap up and bring a guy to the ground, that's a penalty. you can't just slam into a guy to knock him on the ground. that wouldn't be useful anyway, because if you're the ball carrier and you aren't being held on the ground, you can just get up. you need some sort of helmets in football because of the way the game's played.

in rugby your opponent is always in front of you, there isn't ever really a situation similar to a high thrown pass across the middle where a corner or linebacker just lays a guy out. as long as that situation exists there will always be a need for some sort of head protection.

 

[SpanishCastleAle]

Have to quote Denny Green on my Jaguars: They are who we thought they were. And also to steal one from Barkley/Cape Brewing: Turrible.

 

[Cape Brewing]

yeah... they're not good. You should jump ship and be a Pats fan. The Pats are good.

Plus... chics dig Pats fans

 

[dataz722]

 

[Cape Brewing]

see? That's just childish and uncalled for. I think someone is a sore loser.

 

[bob1852]

So what do you all think?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101019/ap_on_sp_fo_ne/fbn_helmet_to_helmet_hits

 

[motobrewer]

see? That's just childish and uncalled for. I think someone is a sore loser.

it's definitely called for and definitely hilarious.

 

[the_bird]

So what do you all think?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101019/ap_on_sp_fo_ne/fbn_helmet_to_helmet_hits

I'm OK with the suspensions, but going forward. You can't change the rules and then suspend a player retroactively. Harrison, Meriweather, et al should get a stern "no more!" lecture from the commish, but should play next weekend.

 

[dataz722]

I'm OK with the suspensions, but going forward. You can't change the rules and then suspend a player retroactively. Harrison, Meriweather, et al should get a stern "no more!" lecture from the commish, but should play next weekend.

They can suspend them under the existing rules though, the new rules will just makes it easier and more common. As it is now, you can be suspended for up to 4 days due to your on field actions.

 

[motobrewer]

http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.co...avre:_the_all-time_leader_in_free_passes.html

 

[dunnright00]

see? That's just funny and accurate.

There, fixed it for you.

 

[Cape Brewing]

GOD, I wish I was that Patriots logo!!! WOOOO HOOOO!!!

There, I fixed that for you.

See what I did there?

 

[dunnright00]

There, I fixed that for you.

See what I did there?

Hey!! But you can't....!!! I didn't..... !!!


Argghh!!!

 

[HoppyDaze]

Ducks are #1

they could the Cowboys, no doubt