New England IPA "Northeast" style IPA

[TBryerton]

I thought the same. Doesn’t seem like it would truly be the recipe or was a typo and was supposed to be Golden Naked Oats

That was my first thought as well. In my experience, if I brew that exact recipe it will taste nothing like Jasper.

@Dgallo I haven’t been following this thread as heavily lately but remember you like LUPOMAX. Curious if you still like it. I’ve been doing 2 to 1 pellet/LUPO DH but haven’t compared it to all pellet. Interested in others peoples thoughts on LUPO.

 

[Dgallo]

That was my first thought as well. In my experience, if I brew that exact recipe it will taste nothing like Jasper.

@Dgallo I haven’t been following this thread as heavily lately but remember you like LUPOMAX. Curious if you still like it. I’ve been doing 2 to 1 pellet/LUPO DH but haven’t compared it to all pellet. Interested in others peoples thoughts on LUPO.

I really like LUPOMAX, especially Citra. I pretty much layer it into all my ipas. I’m about 2:1 like you most times but I’ve been upping it lately. I’m def a fan

On a similar note, Idk if you saw some of the new info coming out from omega on their thiolized yeast, but it’s showing that using T90 hops on the hotside, specifically whirlpool, and early fermentation is actually causing the muting of the Thiols. They suggest using all cryo or similar product on the hotside when using cosmic punch or Starparty. So this amount my increase for me as I’ve just started dabbling into thiolized yeast

 

[TBryerton]

I really like LUPOMAX, especially Citra. I pretty much layer it into all my ipas. I’m about 2:1 like you most times but I’ve been upping it lately. I’m def a fan

On a similar note, Idk if you saw some of the new info coming out from omega on their thiolized yeast, but it’s showing that using T90 hops on the hotside, specifically whirlpool, and early fermentation is actually causing the muting of the Thiols. They suggest using all cryo or similar product on the hotside when using cosmic punch or Starparty. So this amount my increase for me as I’ve just started dabbling into thiolized yeast

That’s really interesting. I missed that. I think I'm typically heavier on the hot side than most. I’ll try moving LUPO to the hot side and all T90 DH. I don’t think I get too much from WP - I’ve been lowering those amounts and pushing them to late boil.

Where is everyone getting cone hops these days? Last I checked YVH was out of most.

 

[Noob_Brewer]

Was wondering if anyone has tried this yeast before: Funktown Pale Ale — The Yeast Bay. it seems to be Yeast Bay's version of Imperial Dry Hop A24 as both are blends of Connan (A24) or a "Vermont" yeast (Yeast bay) along with a diastaticus yeast. Looks interesting as A24 is still my go-to overall. Anyone tried Yeast Bay's Funktown Pale Ale?

 

[Noob_Brewer]

I really like LUPOMAX, especially Citra. I pretty much layer it into all my ipas. I’m about 2:1 like you most times but I’ve been upping it lately. I’m def a fan

On a similar note, Idk if you saw some of the new info coming out from omega on their thiolized yeast, but it’s showing that using T90 hops on the hotside, specifically whirlpool, and early fermentation is actually causing the muting of the Thiols. They suggest using all cryo or similar product on the hotside when using cosmic punch or Starparty. So this amount my increase for me as I’ve just started dabbling into thiolized yeast

So having used Cosmic Punch several times and always mash hopped with T90 and used mostly T90 on the hot side, I was SHOCKED at how fruity this beer was even when I just tested the hydro sample pre-dry hop. For the first time brewing NEIPAs, I thought to myself "this might be too fruity for my taste". So I can't imagine the Omega reports of T90 muting the thiols. Just how fruity can we get? lol. I love what Omega is doing overall, but gosh - cosmic punch is already a FRUIT BOMB regardless of what form your hops are on the hot side.

 

[Dgallo]

So having used Cosmic Punch several times and always mash hopped with T90 and used mostly T90 on the hot side, I was SHOCKED at how fruity this beer was even when I just tested the hydro sample pre-dry hop. For the first time brewing NEIPAs, I thought to myself "this might be too fruity for my taste". So I can't imagine the Omega reports of T90 muting the thiols. Just how fruity can we get? lol. I love what Omega is doing overall, but gosh - cosmic punch is already a FRUIT BOMB regardless of what form your hops are on the hot side.

Here’s my direct email from omega if you want to read it.

 

[Noob_Brewer]

Here’s my direct email from omega if you want to read it.
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Thanks for sharing. I was just a little shocked because even with using T90 on hot side cosmic punch is still banging on the fruit wagon SOOOO much more than other yeasts. Again, I was shocked at how fruity it was with cascade and/or Simcoe in the mash hops. It is already INTENSE fruit even if T90 are "squelching"the thiols from whirlpool, I imagine the thiols are still an order of magnitude larger than with any other yeast that can't free those bound thiols from the malt. Still, I'll probably try their route at some point just because lol.

 

[HopsAreGood]

I used cosmic punch once and put 4 oz of idaho 7 in the mash. I forget exactly what else I used but I know I dry hopped with a good amount of galaxy. The resulting beer was SOOO ridiculously Sauvignon Blanc forward that I never had any interest using it again. There was ZERO hint of galaxy at all. I remember enjoying the beer, but having no interest in using that yeast again because it was so over the top one note. Maybe I’ll revisit it but I agree that it’s insanely powerful and can more than completely dominate the character of a beer. Thiols are cool and all, but I also like to smell and taste the other, more traditional characteristics of hops.

 

[chieftain]

Interesting Interview with Paul from Cloudwater in the UK about designing and brewing a DIPA. Their dry hop rates are interesting at around 24g per liter which works out about 16oz for 5 gallons. I've really experimented with different rates over the years and always felt the 8-10oz dry hop just left me wanting more and a little underwhelmed but on my last two brews I'm pushing 14-16oz and the beers are definitely more what I want from a DIPA. Just losses are insane and you have to be so careful with getting vegetal off flavors which I have gotten before at such high rates. Soft crashing and dry hopping cooler has really helped with that aspect.

I was just in London, and hit the Cloudwater taproom in Enid Street. Wow! Tremendous soft body, great hop character, and excellent aroma. Awesome stuff.

 

[Beenym88]

Thanks for sharing. I was just a little shocked because even with using T90 on hot side cosmic punch is still banging on the fruit wagon SOOOO much more than other yeasts. Again, I was shocked at how fruity it was with cascade and/or Simcoe in the mash hops. It is already INTENSE fruit even if T90 are "squelching"the thiols from whirlpool, I imagine the thiols are still an order of magnitude larger than with any other yeast that can't free those bound thiols from the malt. Still, I'll probably try their route at some point just because lol.

I had the same experience

 

[MugsWorth]

Off topic, but what ever happened to Braufessor, the O.P. of this thread? Haven't heard from him since around page 300 or so?
Still a fine recipe and a great start into the NEIPA rabbit hole !

 

[Jimmy_Hops]

Check these out!

 

[Northern_Brewer]

A great review for those interested in the nitty-gritty of biotransformation, by @suregork et al
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00253-022-12068-w
It's great to see all the advances in yeast genomics being linked directly to brewing-related characteristics, so now we know "oh, it has this mutation in the Ure2p repressor so it will have more β-lyase and be better at releasing thiols".

 

[Noob_Brewer]

A great review for those interested in the nitty-gritty of biotransformation, by @suregork et al
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00253-022-12068-w
It's great to see all the advances in yeast genomics being linked directly to brewing-related characteristics, so now we know "oh, it has this mutation in the Ure2p repressor so it will have more β-lyase and be better at releasing thiols".

Thanks for this @Northern_Brewer I just read the abstract and it will be a nice "coffee-time" read. Im a nerd and love reading about this stuff anyways lol

 

[Sbe2]

Moved south and haven’t brewed in about a year. Finally getting to where I can brew again, what’s happened over the past year here on the thread, any major breakthroughs?

 

[Dgallo]

Moved south and haven’t brewed in about a year. Finally getting to where I can brew again, what’s happened over the past year here on the thread, any major breakthroughs?

Thiolized yeast strains and dryhoping cold are the only newish things I can think of but you most likely already heard of that prior to your break from brewing. Welcome back!

 

[beervoid]

Moved south and haven’t brewed in about a year. Finally getting to where I can brew again, what’s happened over the past year here on the thread, any major breakthroughs?

Still not found the tree house yeast

 

[skleice]

For those experienced with Conan yeast, what is your recommended fermentation temp?

 

[Sbe2]

Still not found the tree house yeast

Well then, I’m out lol, nah can’t wait to start back up, just need invest in a glycol chiller.

 

[Sbe2]

Any thoughts on one? Penguin, ice master max…don’t yell at me, I know I should start a new thread, but figured I would start with you all.

 

[DrGMG]

For those experienced with Conan yeast, what is your recommended fermentation temp?

68

 

[bailey mountain brewer]

Any thoughts on one? Penguin, ice master max…don’t yell at me, I know I should start a new thread, but figured I would start with you all.

I went with ss brewtech, no complaints, yeah its pricey but it works great.

 

[BeerFst]

FermentedNJ just put up pre orders for phantasm in 3,6,16 oz increments. They said it will be repackaged from larger format and ship sometime next week. They noted usage rates of 1-2 lbs per barrel but dependent on when it’s added.

https://www.fermentednj.com/shopfer...136314762?mc_cid=72c07ac53d&mc_eid=3562c5d808
Personally I haven’t noticed a huge difference with beers using phantasm but I’m debating whether or not to order some

 

[echoALEia]

FermentedNJ just put up pre orders for phantasm in 3,6,16 oz increments. They said it will be repackaged from larger format and ship sometime next week. They noted usage rates of 1-2 lbs per barrel but dependent on when it’s added.

https://www.fermentednj.com/shopfer...136314762?mc_cid=72c07ac53d&mc_eid=3562c5d808
Personally I haven’t noticed a huge difference with beers using phantasm but I’m debating whether or not to order some

Thanks for this!

 

[Dgallo]

FermentedNJ just put up pre orders for phantasm in 3,6,16 oz increments. They said it will be repackaged from larger format and ship sometime next week. They noted usage rates of 1-2 lbs per barrel but dependent on when it’s added.

https://www.fermentednj.com/shopfer...136314762?mc_cid=72c07ac53d&mc_eid=3562c5d808
Personally I haven’t noticed a huge difference with beers using phantasm but I’m debating whether or not to order some

Holy hell, never expected it to be so expensive. $18.99 for 6 oz, which is just over 2lb/bbl. But I’ve probably spent more adding fruit to wilds

 

[Jimmy_Hops]

Incognito for home brewers? Exciting

 

[Noob_Brewer]

FermentedNJ just put up pre orders for phantasm in 3,6,16 oz increments. They said it will be repackaged from larger format and ship sometime next week. They noted usage rates of 1-2 lbs per barrel but dependent on when it’s added.

https://www.fermentednj.com/shopfer...136314762?mc_cid=72c07ac53d&mc_eid=3562c5d808
Personally I haven’t noticed a huge difference with beers using phantasm but I’m debating whether or not to order some

From what I understand, phantasm is filled with Thiol precursors from wine grapes. So you would still need a "thiolized" yeast strain to get the most out of this product. This link shows the differences in generating 3SH with cosmic punch vs British ale V. If I'm not mistaken while the 3SH with British V with phantasm is still above sensory threshold, it still doesn't hold a candle to what cosmic punch + phantasm can do i.e 10X as much 3SH with cosmic punch vs British ale V. Yeah, I'll throw some money at this product because Im a sucker lol.

Edit: I forgot to post the link lol: Introducing Cosmic Punch™: A Thiol-Boosting Version of British V….

 

[Dgallo]

This is true. As @Noob_Brewer states, phantasm needs thiolized yeast to unlock it. The only difference between using certain hops such as cascade and saaz, is their precursors are incomplete and need the mash enzymes to make them complete where as the precursor in phantasm are already complete.

 

[CascadesBrewer]

The only difference between using certain hops such as cascade and saaz

Also, you can get Cascade for about $8 per lb!

 

[Dgallo]

Also, you can get Cascade for about $8 per lb!

Very true. Phantasm has a lot more precusors though, can’t recall how many times greater the precursor load is in comparison to Saaz which has the most of any hop