New England IPA "Northeast" style IPA

[ThatVideoKid]

Huh maybe I should order a pound of that...

 

[HopsAreGood]

I’ve had a bunch of commercial beers with 586 and haven’t been that impressed. I know a lot of breweries and people are pretty excited about it, but I’ve yet to see what all the hype is about. Not saying it’s not good, just that I haven’t been blown away or anything.

Perhaps Ill get some and do a single hop beer with a clean yeast.

 

[eugles]

Maybe this is a dumb question, but oh well...when discussing dry hop rates in oz/gallon...are we talking about the amount actually in the fermenter at the time of dry hopping? Let’s say I have 5.5 in the fermenter and want to dry hop at 1.5 oz/gallon...should I dry hop with 8.25oz (5.5 * 1.5) or based on final amount in keg 7.5 (5 * 1.5). Probably being neurotic here

 

[ihavenonickname]

This was a fun one.

We have one local hop farm in central California here and I got 2 lbs of chinook directly off the bine. It looked and smelled wonderful. I’ve had some good hazies with chinook before but not a lot, so I split the difference and this wound up more of a west coast hazy ipa.

Water built from RO about 250 So4 and 250 Cl.

Pilsner, 5% Vienna, 8% wheat, 5% carapils. 1066 -> 1011
Hop shot at 30 min for 25 ibus.

Wet hop chinook 1.5 lbs in whirpool for 15 mins.

Dry hop after fermentation and cold crash at 58F for 24 hrs. 4oz citra, 4 oz galaxy.

One pouch each of verdant and NE ipa yeasts.

Results are really pungent, powerful IPA. The chinook is very clear ruby red grapefruit and pine, that holds up strong against a big dry hop, I was concerned it would get over powered. This took 10-14 days in the keg for the galaxy dry hop bite to settle, first time I’ve had that problem in a while. Clearly not soft and juicy like I usually make these. I’m not convinced the fresh wet hop aspect of this added much to the beer, it’s not particularly green or planty or resinous. But worked really nicely as a west coast hazy along the lines of modern times or Fremont.

 

[Fergal]

I've been thinking of ways to use more of my homegrown hops of which I have a lot. Going to pick up a hop missile/rocket so I get more use out of these hops going forward. One of the ideas I had was to connect it into my system (brewzilla) and use it during the mash as the wort recirculates. Does this gain any benefit rather than putting the (whole) hops straight into the mash? AU Cascade & AU Chinook FYI.
Does anyone see any issues, concerns etc.? My only downsides are potential drop in wort temp & volume loss.

 

[beervoid]

Have any people here that trialled the lalbrew new england dry yeast experienced any problems with flavor dropping?
Even in a mix with verdant is really tends to destroy hop flavor. I experienced a similar thing with the M66 hophead. Wonder if those "biotransform" enzymes are doing more bad then good

 

[secretlevel]

I thought you guys would find these interesting since these types of products aren't usually available to homebrewers:
Mass Whole Hops Extraction Ltd. - CO2 hop extract
Oast House Oils - hop and fruit terpenes

Once I get through my brewing backlog, it'd be fun to throw both of these into a brew and see how it compares to one brewed with the equivalent amounts of pellets.

 

[Clyde McCoy]

Tree House is doing a series where they alter FG, ABV, and dry hop.

4.5 lbs/bbl = 11.6 oz/5-gal
5.5 lbs/bbl = 14.2 oz/5-gal

"We most certainly have not found the limit yet"

Anyone try these beers?

 

[couchsending]

I wonder if they’ll even get to the “typical” Monkish level of 8#/bbl

 

[Dgallo]

I wonder if they’ll even get to the “typical” Monkish level of 8#/bbl

I still can’t believe they are truly at that level with T90 pellets. I feel like that figure is based on equivalence of 8lb/bbl and utilizes some percentage of t45 or other products

 

[HopsAreGood]

Treehouse dry hopped this beer with over 8 pounds per barrel. It’s right in the description. I had a 4-pack and was delicious. Strait murky hop milk.

https://untappd.com/b/tree-house-brewing-company-live-free/4506464

 

[couchsending]

I still can’t believe they are truly at that level with T90 pellets. I feel like that figure is based on equivalence of 8lb/bbl and utilizes some percentage of t45 or other products

Believe it

 

[HopsAreGood]

Believe it

I’ve said it before but typically when breweries use cryo, incognito, lupomax, etc….they say so. If they’re saying 8 pound per barrel or whatever it’s most likely just t-90 unless otherwise noted.

 

[skleice]

What oz/gallon do you guys think is the sweet spot?

 

[Dgallo]

I’m still

What oz/gallon do you guys think is the sweet spot?

I’m still at 1.75-2.25 depending on abv

 

[skleice]

I’m still
I’m still at 1.75-2.25 depending on abv

That's where I have settled as well. I used to stick at 1.5, but feel i get more hop saturation ~2.

 

[Dgallo]

That's where I have settled as well. I used to stick at 1.5, but feel i get more hop saturation ~2.

I’ve gone higher but wasn’t happy with it. It was “hoppier” but messy. I like clean varietal specific character in my ipas and I feel Thts achieved within that range

 

[Clyde McCoy]

Treehouse dry hopped this beer with over 8 pounds per barrel. It’s right in the description. I had a 4-pack and was delicious. Strait murky hop milk.

https://untappd.com/b/tree-house-brewing-company-live-free/4506464

Can you try the Limit series and let us know what you think?

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Who’s gonna dump 20 oz. of dry hops into their next batch?

 

[Passa194]

I thought you guys would find these interesting since these types of products aren't usually available to homebrewers:
Mass Whole Hops Extraction Ltd. - CO2 hop extract
Oast House Oils - hop and fruit terpenes

Once I get through my brewing backlog, it'd be fun to throw both of these into a brew and see how it compares to one brewed with the equivalent amounts of pellets.

I just bought some, I’m trying to decide how much to use in the whirlpool.

 

[secretlevel]

I just bought some, I’m trying to decide how much to use in the whirlpool.

I highly recommend listening to Brandon Capps from New Image on this pod, he shares how he uses hop extracts. Podcast Episode 202: Brandon Capps of New Image Brews Better IPAs Through Chemistry

One of the interesting things that he mentions that they only dry hop for 24 hours because the vegetal matter absorbs some of the volatile hop compounds if left on that matter for a longer period of time. Not having much matter in the dry hop should help remedy this.

 

[Passa194]

I highly recommend listening to Brandon Capps from New Image on this pod, he shares how he uses hop extracts. Podcast Episode 202: Brandon Capps of New Image Brews Better IPAs Through Chemistry

One of the interesting things that he mentions that they only dry hop for 24 hours because the vegetal matter absorbs some of the volatile hop compounds if left on that matter for a longer period of time. Not having much matter in the dry hop should help remedy this.

Just listened to that podcast. Very informative. Thanks!

 

[ca_baracus]

Coming back from a 3 year brewing hiatus. First pour on my NEIPA using homegrown cashmere hops. A little darker in color than anticipated, but oh well. Despite massively undershooting my OG (boil over & too hard of a boil rate), this is tasting excellent. Massive tropical aroma with almost a hint of peachy-vanilla, and an excellent, round fruit-forward taste. These cashmere hops are subtle but delicious.

Recipe

(77.8%) — Briess Pale Ale Malt 2-Row
(9.6%) — Briess Oats, Flaked
(6.3%) — Simpsons Golden Naked Oats
(6.3%) — Briess Wheat White Malt

.5 oz — Columbus — 60 min
5 oz — Cashmere (Whole Cones) hopstand @ 160 °F
.5 oz - Columbus hopstand @ 160 °F

6 oz — Mosaic — Dry Hop — day 2

1 oz - Cashmere (Whole cones) in keg

 

[HopsAreGood]

I just bought some, I’m trying to decide how much to use in the whirlpool.

What is the recommended usage on that? Is it kind of like incognito in which it’s designed for the whirlpool, or more like the other extracts designed for bittering?

 

[Passa194]

What is the recommended usage on that? Is it kind of like incognito in which it’s designed for the whirlpool, or more like the other extracts designed for bittering?

Based on their website it is used in the whirlpool. I’m going to brew Thursday and try using 30ml in the whirlpool for 5 gallon batch and see what that does. I’ll then transfer to dry hop keg when fermentation is complete and dry hop for 24 hours. I’ve never used anything like this before so I have no idea what to expect.

 

[Noob_Brewer]

If anyone is looking for a great hop combo, I snagged this combo from @Dgallo and his TIPA thread New England IPA - New England Style TIPA . This has been in the keg now for 9 days and its great. I didn't make a TIPA as this is "only" 8.0% ABV but used his hop combo of Columbus, Riwaka, Nelson, and Citra. Only changes I made to Dgallo's hop profile were to scale down the IBUs via boil additions and I used Columbus LUPOMAX for the 10min boil addition and Citra LUPOMAX in the DH. Columbus in the boil, Riwaka and Nelson in the WP, and Riwaka/Nelson/Citra as the DH. Admittedly, I was a bit nervous on this because I know Riwaka and Nelson to both be damn potent, but this combo is great and carries a nice complexity of flavors/aromas. Very tropical with some background dank notes with smooth white wine. The New Zealand"spice" or "diesel" is present but not overpowering at all and rather just complimentary to the fruity tropical vibe. All round, the hop combo is a winner IMO. Most telling is my wife took one sip of the initial force carb sample on keg day and said "you are going to make this again right?". She's not a beer connoisseur but she's definitely a beer enthusiast and supports my hobby so her opinion counts big! lol. Thanks @Dgallo for the combo!

 

[Genuine]

If anyone is looking for a great hop combo, I snagged this combo from @Dgallo and his TIPA thread New England IPA - New England Style TIPA . This has been in the keg now for 9 days and its great. I didn't make a TIPA as this is "only" 8.0% ABV but used his hop combo of Columbus, Riwaka, Nelson, and Citra. Only changes I made to Dgallo's hop profile were to scale down the IBUs via boil additions and I used Columbus LUPOMAX for the 10min boil addition and Citra LUPOMAX in the DH. Columbus in the boil, Riwaka and Nelson in the WP, and Riwaka/Nelson/Citra as the DH. Admittedly, I was a bit nervous on this because I know Riwaka and Nelson to both be damn potent, but this combo is great and carries a nice complexity of flavors/aromas. Very tropical with some background dank notes with smooth white wine. The New Zealand"spice" or "diesel" is present but not overpowering at all and rather just complimentary to the fruity tropical vibe. All round, the hop combo is a winner IMO. Most telling is my wife took one sip of the initial force carb sample on keg day and said "you are going to make this again right?". She's not a beer connoisseur but she's definitely a beer enthusiast and supports my hobby so her opinion counts big! lol. Thanks @Dgallo for the combo!

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Looks great! What was your malt bill for this one?

 

[Dgallo]

If anyone is looking for a great hop combo, I snagged this combo from @Dgallo and his TIPA thread New England IPA - New England Style TIPA . This has been in the keg now for 9 days and its great. I didn't make a TIPA as this is "only" 8.0% ABV but used his hop combo of Columbus, Riwaka, Nelson, and Citra. Only changes I made to Dgallo's hop profile were to scale down the IBUs via boil additions and I used Columbus LUPOMAX for the 10min boil addition and Citra LUPOMAX in the DH. Columbus in the boil, Riwaka and Nelson in the WP, and Riwaka/Nelson/Citra as the DH. Admittedly, I was a bit nervous on this because I know Riwaka and Nelson to both be damn potent, but this combo is great and carries a nice complexity of flavors/aromas. Very tropical with some background dank notes with smooth white wine. The New Zealand"spice" or "diesel" is present but not overpowering at all and rather just complimentary to the fruity tropical vibe. All round, the hop combo is a winner IMO. Most telling is my wife took one sip of the initial force carb sample on keg day and said "you are going to make this again right?". She's not a beer connoisseur but she's definitely a beer enthusiast and supports my hobby so her opinion counts big! lol. Thanks @Dgallo for the combo!

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looks good brother. Glad you enjoyed it as much as I did!

 

[Noob_Brewer]

Looks great! What was your malt bill for this one?

So Ive been using the same grain bill for a little bit now across several NEIPAs with different hop combos and yeasts.

Rounded to the nearest whole number % its: 67% 2row, 17% spelt, 11% malted oats, and 5% carafoam.

This ends ups being great mouthfeel and pillow soft for sure. Spelt is softer on the palate than white wheat IMO. I personally like keeping my base malt at about 65-67%, the spelt/wheat/oats at a combined 28-32%, and keep carafoam at 5%. Might try re-adding honey malt at a small dose of around 3% but honestly, Im not sure I would be able to tell flavor wise other than a little darker color perhaps. Pretty happy with my present NEIPA grain bill overall.

 

[Shenanigans]

If anyone is looking for a great hop combo, I snagged this combo from @Dgallo and his TIPA thread New England IPA - New England Style TIPA . This has been in the keg now for 9 days and its great. I didn't make a TIPA as this is "only" 8.0% ABV but used his hop combo of Columbus, Riwaka, Nelson, and Citra. Only changes I made to Dgallo's hop profile were to scale down the IBUs via boil additions and I used Columbus LUPOMAX for the 10min boil addition and Citra LUPOMAX in the DH. Columbus in the boil, Riwaka and Nelson in the WP, and Riwaka/Nelson/Citra as the DH. Admittedly, I was a bit nervous on this because I know Riwaka and Nelson to both be damn potent, but this combo is great and carries a nice complexity of flavors/aromas. Very tropical with some background dank notes with smooth white wine. The New Zealand"spice" or "diesel" is present but not overpowering at all and rather just complimentary to the fruity tropical vibe. All round, the hop combo is a winner IMO. Most telling is my wife took one sip of the initial force carb sample on keg day and said "you are going to make this again right?". She's not a beer connoisseur but she's definitely a beer enthusiast and supports my hobby so her opinion counts big! lol. Thanks @Dgallo for the combo!

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Looks good.
Those Riwaka hops are difficult to get here in Europe.

 

[HopsAreGood]

So Ive been using the same grain bill for a little bit now across several NEIPAs with different hop combos and yeasts.

Rounded to the nearest whole number % its: 67% 2row, 17% spelt, 11% malted oats, and 5% carafoam.

This ends ups being great mouthfeel and pillow soft for sure. Spelt is softer on the palate than white wheat IMO. I personally like keeping my base malt at about 65-67%, the spelt/wheat/oats at a combined 28-32%, and keep carafoam at 5%. Might try re-adding honey malt at a small dose of around 3% but honestly, Im not sure I would be able to tell flavor wise other than a little darker color perhaps. Pretty happy with my present NEIPA grain bill overall.

Try some c-10, or c-15 in place of the carafoam or honey malt. Carafoam is barely noticeable at that percentage and with honey malt being 25L it’s a little dark for me.

C-10 or C-15 is kind of like the middle point between the two of them, without the noticeable flavor and aroma contribution that honey malt can give. Both of these will add extremely minimal color when used at 3-4%, but for me add a slightly different element than carafoam or carapils.

Trillium uses this in a lot of their beers. Obviously the more you use, the darker the color will get, and the more you’ll notice it’s contribution.