New England IPA "Northeast" style IPA

[ChiknNutz]

Hmmm, maybe 2020 Hops carry the same penalty as just about everything else related to 2020

 

[JoeMamasIPA]

Inspirered by this post I did a

WP: Mosaic, Citra 1:1
DH: Galaxy, Citra 5:1

Not impressed by the beer before the dry hop. And the Galaxy smelled like raw onion and gasoline, so I ordered new from another lhbs. Same smell. Last year Galaxy smelled serious delicious of citrus, grapefruit and mandarin. But not this time.

The neipa is the worst I have brewed in a long time. Pure diesel taste.

I also had some Vic Secret. Kind of same smell. I don't know how it is supposed to smell. But I don't want to end up with something like this again.

I used my well tested recipe and process (except I also tried Lallemand New England yeast).

It all comes down to the quality of the hops. Buying hops is like a lottery.

Same here with 2020 Galaxy. Its a wasted batch in my mind. I just added some Citra to my keg to see if I can salvage it but I think the damage is done.

 

[Dgallo]

Same here with 2020 Galaxy. Its a wasted batch in my mind. I just added some Citra to my keg to see if I can salvage it but I think the damage is done.

Did your’s smell good out of the bag and then just not come through or was it always off?

 

[JoeMamasIPA]

Did your’s smell good out of the bag and then just not come through or was it always off?

Smelled fine, not mind blowing but OK. Then it just did not deliver anything in the final product except for some mouthfeel/thickness that I always get with Galaxy.

 

[JoeMamasIPA]

I have to wonder if Galaxy crops just exploded because of the money to be made and its expanded beyond its happy terroir range. Sucks because I have a pound of it to use up. I feel like we need a way to guinea pig all the new hop crops with a known recipe and then report out to the forum what's hot and what's not every year.

 

[Dgallo]

Smelled fine, not mind blowing but OK. Then it just did not deliver anything in the final product except for some mouthfeel/thickness that I always get with Galaxy.

That sucks. My Galaxy has been good so far but I do have two different AAs of it and have only used packages of the one so far. I will say Nelson took over a beer tht was dryhopped 3:2 Galaxy to Nelson. This Nelson is really good a have so I’m not sure if the Galaxy just didn’t deliver as it usually does or the Nelson was that good.

 

[Dgallo]

Inspirered by this post I did a

WP: Mosaic, Citra 1:1
DH: Galaxy, Citra 5:1

Not impressed by the beer before the dry hop. And the Galaxy smelled like raw onion and gasoline, so I ordered new from another lhbs. Same smell. Last year Galaxy smelled serious delicious of citrus, grapefruit and mandarin. But not this time.

The neipa is the worst I have brewed in a long time. Pure diesel taste.

I also had some Vic Secret. Kind of same smell. I don't know how it is supposed to smell. But I don't want to end up with something like this again.

I used my well tested recipe and process (except I also tried Lallemand New England yeast).

It all comes down to the quality of the hops. Buying hops is like a lottery.

I’ve gotten garlic onion notes/kinda like burnt rubber with mosaic before when I opened a pack. I threw them right out.

I will say I’ve been pretty damn lucky in the past few years getting some good quality hops but for sure it’s all about quality

 

[Northern_Brewer]

I have to wonder if Galaxy crops just exploded because of the money to be made and its expanded beyond its happy terroir range.

Probably not a terroir issue as such, more just a question of rapid expansion leading to "new" farmers of it, who take a harvest or two to work out how to treat it right, harvest at the right time etc. Citra went through a rough patch when it was going through a rapid expansion in the early teens.

 

[kingmatt]

Poured a sample of my latest NEIPA the other day using Vic Secret, Lupomax Sabro and Galaxy. View attachment 715342

Overall I am loving the aroma and the flavor is on point but it has a fair amount of the dreaded hop burn.

I feel like I get at least some hop burn whenever I use Galaxy in particular. It will fade out with some time but it is frustrating and has led me to avoid using Galaxy for awhile...guess I will go back to avoiding it.

Update on this beer, I pulled a sample tonight and the hop burn is almost completely gone after only 4 days in the keg. I use a Clear Beer Draught system for all my NEIPAs so that also helps. No more Galaxy for me, unless I can get my hands on some Cryo.

 

[slidingmike]

Update on this beer, I pulled a sample tonight and the hop burn is almost completely gone after only 4 days in the keg. I use a Clear Beer Draught system for all my NEIPAs so that also helps. No more Galaxy for me, unless I can get my hands on some Cryo.

My understanding is that even the best pros have this hop burn on their NEIPAs until they've conditioned for a week or so. If I can get great Galaxy, or any other prize hops, I don't mind sitting on a keg for a week and reaping the rewards -- in fact I would expect it. Why swear off a hop that adds insane goodness to your beer just because you need to let it sit for another 7 days?

 

[Dgallo]

Update on this beer, I pulled a sample tonight and the hop burn is almost completely gone after only 4 days in the keg. I use a Clear Beer Draught system for all my NEIPAs so that also helps. No more Galaxy for me, unless I can get my hands on some Cryo.

Try dryhoping at cooler temps with Galaxy, avoid it in fermentation, and in large portions of the whirlpool. This may rekindle your love with Galaxy

 

[Noob_Brewer]

Try dryhoping at cooler temps with Galaxy, avoid it in fermentation, and in large portions of the whirlpool. This may rekindle your love with Galaxy

Agreed with all of this. When im using galaxy, I like to add a little in the WP (0.5-1.5oz) which I think helps to accentuate the overall flavor in the finished product. Im DHing at about 60, but sometimes a little cooler at 58ish. At kegging time, I typically get an intense flavor with a little hop burn perhaps but it quickly subsides in conditioning quite well. I know others have been disappointed with galaxy of late it seems, but I still love it.

 

[Noob_Brewer]

I posted this in the best hop combos thread a little while ago, but if anyone is looking for an absolutely outstanding hop combo, Moutere & nectaron is fantastic! you get a restrained but present NZ diesel in the background but its a tropical/peach bliss! Definitely one that will be repeated over n over for me. Great aromatics and flavor overall. My wife, who is gracious to support my brewing hobby asked me to brew it again soon! If only I had enough nectaron for another brew, damn YVH is sold out!

 

[R.A.I.D]

I posted this in the best hop combos thread a little while ago, but if anyone is looking for an absolutely outstanding hop combo, Moutere & nectaron is fantastic! you get a restrained but present NZ diesel in the background but its a tropical/peach bliss! Definitely one that will be repeated over n over for me. Great aromatics and flavor overall. My wife, who is gracious to support my brewing hobby asked me to brew it again soon! If only I had enough nectaron for another brew, damn YVH is sold out!
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I am also going to try nectaron in one of my next batches.

My lhbs recommends
WP: Nectaron, Mosaic 1:1
DH: Nectaron, Mosaic 1:1

But inspired you post I might try something like
WP: Moutere, Nectaron 2:1
DH: Nectaron

What was your ratio?

 

[kingmatt]

My understanding is that even the best pros have this hop burn on their NEIPAs until they've conditioned for a week or so. If I can get great Galaxy, or any other prize hops, I don't mind sitting on a keg for a week and reaping the rewards -- in fact I would expect it. Why swear off a hop that adds insane goodness to your beer just because you need to let it sit for another 7 days?

So, if i'm being honest, I think I have come to the realization that I don't really like galaxy as much as most do. I mean, I have had some good beers that use galaxy, but for the most part, even the best commercial example galaxy beers tend to disappoint me. Plus, there are so many other excellent hop choices that don't burn out your palate.

Try dryhoping at cooler temps with Galaxy, avoid it in fermentation, and in large portions of the whirlpool. This may rekindle your love with Galaxy

For this beer I used 1oz galaxy in the whirlpool and 3 oz in the dry hop (along with other hops of course) so it wasn't an obscene amount. I also completely fermented out the beer and soft crashed to 50 for 2 days before dry hopping it, so I'm not sure what else I could have done.

 

[HopsAreGood]

I feel like I’m always pointing out these podcasts, but they have such good information relevant to the conversations that go on here. If you go to 55 minutes in you can hear them talk for a few minutes about their experience with galaxy. Some really interesting insight.

https://open.spotify.com/episode/0h...Q&context=spotify:show:5qAcFJkubk8dENGb9DrR9S

 

[Dgallo]

So, if i'm being honest, I think I have come to the realization that I don't really like galaxy as much as most do. I mean, I have had some good beers that use galaxy, but for the most part, even the best commercial example galaxy beers tend to disappoint me. Plus, there are so many other excellent hop choices that don't burn out your palate.



For this beer I used 1oz galaxy in the whirlpool and 3 oz in the dry hop (along with other hops of course) so it wasn't an obscene amount. I also completely fermented out the beer and soft crashed to 50 for 2 days before dry hopping it, so I'm not sure what else I could have done.

What was the actual dryhop temperature?

 

[kingmatt]

What was the actual dryhop temperature?

59

 

[raymarkson]

I'll also add that I have had a recent bad experience with Galaxy hops. I made an NEIPA with a typical combination of Galaxy/ Citra/ Mosaic and the resulting beer tasted so bad that I thought that it had a wild yeast contamination- it was incredibly astringent and tasted like a rubber band to me. That may not be the best description of the flavor, but that is what came to mind.

Anyway, I was not even considering that it was the hops that made that awful flavor until I dry hopped an already condition keg of Pale Ale with some of the left over Galaxy. The keg tasted fine before the dry hop- I just wanted to give it a little more aroma. Twenty-four hours later, I poured a pint of that Pale Ale and it had the same terrible flavor as my previously mentioned NEIPA. That's when I realized that it was the Galaxy hops that had caused the astringent rubber band flavor in my NEIPA. I know that I can't be absolutely certain about this, but it seems like a logical conclusion. Hearing that other people are having bad experiences with Galaxy does help me feel a little more confident in my suspicions about my particular Galaxy purchase.

 

[secretlevel]

I feel like I’m always pointing out these podcasts, but they have such good information relevant to the conversations that go on here. If you go to 55 minutes in you can hear them talk for a few minutes about their experience with galaxy. Some really interesting insight.

https://open.spotify.com/episode/0h...Q&context=spotify:show:5qAcFJkubk8dENGb9DrR9S

Haha, Galaxy roulette! I lost the Riwaka roulette I think. Although it could just be a personal aversion to diesel. I think @couchsending has similar issues. Good insight about Motueka though, I love the hop, but using it in >30% of the grist is just going to lower overall hop intensity and absorb a ton of beer.

 

[Beerdrinker85]

I just did a citra/bru-1/galaxy Neipa and it was pretty good. It was 2020 crop from YVH. I guess I am lucky.

 

[aaronm13]

I feel like I’m always pointing out these podcasts, but they have such good information relevant to the conversations that go on here. If you go to 55 minutes in you can hear them talk for a few minutes about their experience with galaxy. Some really interesting insight.

https://open.spotify.com/episode/0h...Q&context=spotify:show:5qAcFJkubk8dENGb9DrR9S

Listened to that podcast after you recommended it and was very interesting what they said about galaxy. Seemingly Hop Breeding Australia mix all the lots of the hops they get. So you could have some good and some not so good in your pack. I got 2020 Galaxy from Yakima and it was terrible, smelled of broccoli and got nothing out of it in the beer, thankfully no off flavors but no Galaxy goodness. I emailed Yakima and the sent me a lb as an apology but haven't used or opened it yet.

 

[kingmatt]

Listened to that podcast after you recommended it and was very interesting what they said about galaxy. Seemingly Hop Breeding Australia mix all the lots of the hops they get. So you could have some good and some not so good in your pack. I got 2020 Galaxy from Yakima and it was terrible, smelled of broccoli and got nothing out of it in the beer, thankfully no off flavors but no Galaxy goodness. I emailed Yakima and the sent me a lb as an apology but haven't used or opened it yet.

Dear Yakima,

I recently purchased some 2020 Galaxy hops from you and they smelled and tasted terrible.

Yakima response: Sorry about that, here's another pound!

 

[ChiknNutz]

Well cr@p, I have some Galaxy I just bought from YVH and planning to use in the next few days. I haven't opened it up yet as I've not yet had any issues. Guess I better at least check it out.

 

[aaronm13]

Dear Yakima,

I recently purchased some 2020 Galaxy hops from you and they smelled and tasted terrible.

Yakima response: Sorry about that, here's another pound!

Yeap, that's exactly how it went. Great customer service. Didn't even say it to me till it was in the post.

 

[aaronm13]

Well cr@p, I have some Galaxy I just bought from YVH and planning to use in the next few days. I haven't opened it up yet as I've not yet had any issues. Guess I better at least check it out.

Let us know how it smells. Should really crack my lb open to see what it's like.

 

[kingmatt]

Yeap, that's exactly how it went. Great customer service. Didn't even say it to me till it was in the post.

Haha, I'm just having a little fun. I have never had a bad experience with Yakima's customer service/shipping thus far.

I just thought it was funny that they would send you another pound of hops that you just complained were bad.

 

[ChiknNutz]

Let us know how it smells. Should really crack my lb open to see what it's like.

Mine smell okay, but not nearly as fragrant as the Citra and Magnum I just used during the brew. TBH, I don't know recall exactly how they should smell as it's been a while since I've had some Galaxy, but they don't smell "bad" in at all. Given the fact that these are meant to largely be aroma hops, I have concerns this batch will be a disappointment, simply based on what I think they should smell like comparatively.

 

[VirginiaHops1]

I made an absolutely awful galaxy beer a couple months ago. Honestly it was the first beer ever I didn't even want to try to work through at all, I just dumped it. Even my first few batches when I started that weren't great were more drinkable than that one. It was ultra astringent even after conditioning a bit and had an odd smell. My yeast(Omega DIPA) way under-attenuated and finished at like 1.025 so I just chalked it up to yeast issues but maybe the galaxy wasn't helping. Maybe the high FG locked in more polyphenols?

 

[couchsending]

Haha, Galaxy roulette! I lost the Riwaka roulette I think. Although it could just be a personal aversion to diesel. I think @couchsending has similar issues. Good insight about Motueka though, I love the hop, but using it in >30% of the grist is just going to lower overall hop intensity and absorb a ton of beer.

I’ve used Riwaka a fair amount. Bought it from AUS when it wasn’t available here, got some from YVH, scored some hand selected Freestyle Riwaka.. had plenty of beers from Hill Farmstead and Cellarmaker that highlighted Riwaka

They all had some solid levels of diesel. If the Riwaka Shaun Hill gets is pretty diesely then that hop is gonna be diesely.