New England IPA "Northeast" style IPA

[crusader1612]

Version 4.0 of my Kveik Hazyt w/ Opshaug this weekend.

Someone challenged me to use 2 hops I've had in my stock fro awhile - sabro and sorachi ace, in the same beer (given their uniqueness). so here i am using some of them. LOL

As per version 3 not alot changes, but im using different boil hops for said "challenge".
The only real change to timing of hops will be dryhopping

So i've got
25g Sabro @ 15min
25g Sorachi Ace @ 5min
100g Nelson Sauvin @ whirlpoo (80deg C)
Pitch day bio transhop - 50g citra
Dryhop 150g Citra

Previously my biotrans hop went in after around 36 hours, right on the cusp of fermentation finishing on kveik yeast (I missed it on V1, as i did 48 hours).

Trying our the pitch day hopping on this with a single dryhop after.
V5.0 (depending on how this one goes will split the biotranshopping up into pitch day and 24 hours later).

Results in around 10 days.

 

[anteater8]

Citra Mosaic Strata NEIPA update

14 lb 2 row
3 lb flaked oats
0.75 lb wheat
0.25 lb honey malt

0.5 oz Warrior (19 IBU)
2 oz Mosaic whirlpool (185 for 30 min)
2 oz Strata whirlpool (185 for 30 min)
2 oz Citra dry hop
2 oz Mosaic dry hop
4 oz Strata dry hop

Imperial Juice gen 1

75:150 sulfate:chloride

O.G. = 1.063
F.G. = 1.012
ABV = 7.1%

Aroma: strong ripe mango is overwhelming, with some pineapple, papaya, orange julius

Flavor: strong ripe mango, sweet candied mango, pineapple, hint of passion fruit upfront. The finish has a unique earthy vanilla woodiness...its present, but in soft way that blends with the fruit nicely.

Mouthfeel: a little drier than usual, something I really don't mind in a NEIPA

Overall: definitely a good NEIPA, maybe slightly better than my average. Nothing terribly unique about it other than the intense mango and interesting earthiness. I brewed this to get a sense of Strata and I don't feel like this is so much different than an all Citra Mosaic NEIPA. It is more pungent, but it also took a few weeks longer to condition in the keg.

 

[anteater8]

Also here is an updated tally of the 24 NEIPA hop combos I've tried so far. I ranked them from 1 (favorite) to 5 (least favorite). Keep in mind I've changed more than just the hops on each of these brews, so take it with a grain of salt.

Rank	Hop Combo
1	Citra, Mosaic, Amarillo, Galaxy (3rd place, 42.5/50)
1	CTZ, Vic Secret
1	Citra, Mosaic, Idaho 7 (1st place, 33.5/50)
1	CTZ, Citra (1st place, 40/50)
1	Citra, Motueka
2	CTZ, Galaxy, Mosaic
2	CTZ, Mosaic
2	Citra, Mosaic, Galaxy
2	Citra
2	Mosaic
2	Citra, Mosaic
3	Citra, Mosaic, Strata
3	CTZ, Citra, Mosaic, Galaxy
3	Citra, Ekuanot
3	Mosaic, Amarillo, Vic Secret
3	CTZ, Simcoe, Motueka, Azacca
3	Mosaic, Ekuanot (didn't place, 33/50)
3	Galaxy, El Dorado
3	Galaxy, Amarillo
4	Azacca
4	Citra, Mosaic, El Dorado
4	Galaxy
5	Nelson
5	Galaxy, Azacca, Ekuanot

 

[Clyde McCoy]

Also here is an updated tally of the 24 NEIPA hop combos I've tried so far. I ranked them from 1 (favorite) to 5 (least favorite). Keep in mind I've changed more than just the hops on each of these brews, so take it with a grain of salt.

Rank	Hop Combo
1	Citra, Mosaic, Amarillo, Galaxy (3rd place, 42.5/50)
1	CTZ, Vic Secret
1	Citra, Mosaic, Idaho 7 (1st place, 33.5/50)
1	CTZ, Citra (1st place, 40/50)
1	Citra, Motueka
2	CTZ, Galaxy, Mosaic
2	CTZ, Mosaic
2	Citra, Mosaic, Galaxy
2	Citra
2	Mosaic
2	Citra, Mosaic
3	Citra, Mosaic, Strata
3	CTZ, Citra, Mosaic, Galaxy
3	Citra, Ekuanot
3	Mosaic, Amarillo, Vic Secret
3	CTZ, Simcoe, Motueka, Azacca
3	Mosaic, Ekuanot (didn't place, 33/50)
3	Galaxy, El Dorado
3	Galaxy, Amarillo
4	Azacca
4	Citra, Mosaic, El Dorado
4	Galaxy
5	Nelson
5	Galaxy, Azacca, Ekuanot

This is great, thanks for sharing. Is this ranked within-category as well? E.g. CMAG > CM? How much Columbus do you like in the dry hop?

 

[anteater8]

This is great, thanks for sharing. Is this ranked within-category as well? E.g. CMAG > CM? How much Columbus do you like in the dry hop?

They're not ranked within each category, except for the 1st which was my all time favorite.

Pretty much anything that includes Columbus uses the Trillium Melcher St recipe which is all Columbus in the boil and whirlpool, 1 oz of Columbus in the dry hop and 6.5 oz of the other hop in the dry hop.

 

[BongoYodeler]

Also here is an updated tally of the 24 NEIPA hop combos I've tried so far. I ranked them from 1 (favorite) to 5 (least favorite). Keep in mind I've changed more than just the hops on each of these brews, so take it with a grain of salt.

Rank	Hop Combo
1	Citra, Mosaic, Amarillo, Galaxy (3rd place, 42.5/50)
1	CTZ, Vic Secret
1	Citra, Mosaic, Idaho 7 (1st place, 33.5/50)
1	CTZ, Citra (1st place, 40/50)
1	Citra, Motueka
2	CTZ, Galaxy, Mosaic
2	CTZ, Mosaic
2	Citra, Mosaic, Galaxy
2	Citra
2	Mosaic
2	Citra, Mosaic
3	Citra, Mosaic, Strata
3	CTZ, Citra, Mosaic, Galaxy
3	Citra, Ekuanot
3	Mosaic, Amarillo, Vic Secret
3	CTZ, Simcoe, Motueka, Azacca
3	Mosaic, Ekuanot (didn't place, 33/50)
3	Galaxy, El Dorado
3	Galaxy, Amarillo
4	Azacca
4	Citra, Mosaic, El Dorado
4	Galaxy
5	Nelson
5	Galaxy, Azacca, Ekuanot

Interesting. On Saturday I'm planning on brewing my second neipa using the recipe from the OP in this thread. The first one, in late July, had a touch, (.3oz), of Warrior at 30mins, followed by equal amounts of Citra, Mosaic, and Galaxy at 0mins, 170° WP, and first DH. I later keg-hopped an ounce of Galaxy and an oz of Azacca. I thought it was quite good for my first shot at it.

For Saturday I'm still undecided on hops. I have 8oz or more of Citra Lupomax, Mosaic Lupomax, Galaxy, El Dorado, Azacca, and Strata. I'm thinking of dropping the bittering hop addition all together and adding my first hop addition at either flame-out or whirlpool.

 

[MrPowers]

Also here is an updated tally of the 24 NEIPA hop combos I've tried so far. I ranked them from 1 (favorite) to 5 (least favorite). Keep in mind I've changed more than just the hops on each of these brews, so take it with a grain of salt.

Rank	Hop Combo
1	Citra, Mosaic, Amarillo, Galaxy (3rd place, 42.5/50)
1	CTZ, Vic Secret
1	Citra, Mosaic, Idaho 7 (1st place, 33.5/50)
1	CTZ, Citra (1st place, 40/50)
1	Citra, Motueka
2	CTZ, Galaxy, Mosaic
2	CTZ, Mosaic
2	Citra, Mosaic, Galaxy
2	Citra
2	Mosaic
2	Citra, Mosaic
3	Citra, Mosaic, Strata
3	CTZ, Citra, Mosaic, Galaxy
3	Citra, Ekuanot
3	Mosaic, Amarillo, Vic Secret
3	CTZ, Simcoe, Motueka, Azacca
3	Mosaic, Ekuanot (didn't place, 33/50)
3	Galaxy, El Dorado
3	Galaxy, Amarillo
4	Azacca
4	Citra, Mosaic, El Dorado
4	Galaxy
5	Nelson
5	Galaxy, Azacca, Ekuanot

Can confirm: CTZ + Vic Secret is a dynamite combo. I used that as a variation of the Trillium recipe. I included a small amount of Vic Secret in the whirlpool as well.

 

[R.A.I.D]

Can confirm: CTZ + Vic Secret is a dynamite combo. I used that as a variation of the Trillium recipe. I included a small amount of Vic Secret in the whirlpool as well.

I am going to try this. But I only have 100g Vic Secret and need to add 50-60g of something else. Citra?

 

[MrPowers]

I am going to try this. But I only have 100g Vic Secret and need to add 50-60g of something else. Citra?

I haven't blended Vic Secret with anything else; but I think Mosaic, Galaxy, Idaho 7, or Citra (in order of preference) would all work well.

 

[Dgallo]

I am going to try this. But I only have 100g Vic Secret and need to add 50-60g of something else. Citra?

I’m a big fan of Vic secret and Ella. Citra is always a great choice. IMO Citra is the best supplementary and plays great with everything

 

[Beerdrinker85]

Going to brew an idaho7/citra/sabro next week... or maybe only I7 and Sabro...
How much % of sabro? Never brewed with it. I was thinking of 40% I7/ 40% Citra and 20% sabro. I read it can be overwhelming.

 

[Dgallo]

Going to brew an idaho7/citra/sabro next week... or maybe only I7 and Sabro...
How much % of sabro? Never brewed with it. I was thinking of 40% I7/ 40% Citra and 20% sabro. I read it can be overwhelming.

20% is a good place to start. You’ll def get Sabros character using it at that percentage and will know if you personally like more or less in it

 

[MrPowers]

IMO Citra is the best supplementary and plays great with everything

As far as supplementary hops go, I think the top hops are:
1. Citra (whirlpool/dry hop)
2. Columbus (whirlpool)
3. Idaho 7 (whirlpool/dry hop)
4. El Dorado (whirlpool/dry hop)

 

[Dgallo]

As far as supplementary hops go, I think the top hops are:
1. Citra (whirlpool/dry hop)
2. Columbus (whirlpool)
3. Idaho 7 (whirlpool/dry hop)
4. El Dorado (whirlpool/dry hop)

I agree except I personally can’t stand el dorado. That candy like sweetness just isn’t for me. That being said I absolutely loveD the first time trillium released El Dorado cutting tiles.. that was pure pineapple juice. I’ve never have gotten any el dorado with that chapter personally.

 

[TBryerton]

As far as supplementary hops go, I think the top hops are:
1. Citra (whirlpool/dry hop)
2. Columbus (whirlpool)
3. Idaho 7 (whirlpool/dry hop)
4. El Dorado (whirlpool/dry hop)

I’m about ready to give up on Citra. Maybe I’m wrong but I feel like what I get at the homebrew level (usually YVH) is so far off from what I get from a Jjjuliusss or a OH Citra beer that it’s almost not worth it. I know there’s always going to be a gap in quality but I just never get any of that crazy orange/mango flavor I love. The gap seems to be less with most of the other hops.

 

[MrPowers]

I’m about ready to give up on Citra. Maybe I’m wrong but I feel like what I get at the homebrew level (usually YVH) is so far off from what I get from a Jjjuliusss or a OH Citra beer that it’s almost not worth it. I know there’s always going to be a gap in quality but I just never get any of that crazy orange/mango flavor I love. The gap seems to be less with most of the other hops.

Maybe try ordering some of the Bells select Citra from their homebrew store. That would probably be some of the highest quality Citra that you can pick up as a homebrewer.

I agree except I personally can’t stand el dorado. That candy like sweetness just isn’t for me. That being said I absolutely loveD the first time trillium released El Dorado cutting tiles.. that was pure pineapple juice. I’ve never have gotten any el dorado with that chapter personally.

I don't love it in every beer, and I don't use it often, but it's great at transforming your base hop into the "candied" version of itself. It's especially awesome combined with Nelson in a session strength beer.

I've never tried it as a single hop or with the CTZ (trillium) recipe, but it doesn't seem like it would stand up too well on it's own.

 

[TBryerton]

Maybe try ordering some of the Bells select Citra from their homebrew store. That would probably be some of the highest quality Citra that you can pick up as a homebrewer.

Thats actually exactly what my plan is. Lol. Either way, I probably wouldn’t stop using it altogether, but stop making beers that focus on it if I can’t get that flavor I want.

 

[secretlevel]

Thats actually exactly what my plan is. Lol. Either way, I probably wouldn’t stop using it altogether, but stop making beers that focus on it if I can’t get that flavor I want.

Well, Citra we get on homebrew level isn't exactly the same as the Citra that OH or TreeHouse picked out, but that doesn't make it bad. I know that lots of these breweries use Cryo alongside regular pellets, and oftentimes things like Incognito.

I've had good luck with Citra, but it's always alongside another hop and always fresh out of the bag. Mosaic is notoriously awesome alongside it, definitively give that a shot. Finally, be sure to throw it in post-fermentation.

 

[BongoYodeler]

Brew day Saturday morning. Still not certain on the hops or ratios or schedule. Looking for feedback, here's what I'm considering:

OP's recipe except for yeast (Kveik Voss) and hops.

170° for 30 minute whirlpool
2 oz. LupoMax Citra
2 oz. LupoMax Mosaic
2 oz. Strata
2 oz. El Dorado

Cold crash after fermentation finishes.

Then:
Dry hop for total of 2-3 days,
2 oz. LupoMax Citra
2 oz. LupoMax Mosaic
2 oz. Strata
2 oz. El Dorado

Closed transfer to purged keg.

Thoughts and suggestions welcome.

 

[R.A.I.D]

Brew day Saturday morning. Still not certain on the hops or ratios or schedule. Looking for feedback, here's what I'm considering:

OP's recipe except for yeast (Kveik Voss) and hops.

170° for 30 minute whirlpool
2 oz. LupoMax Citra
2 oz. LupoMax Mosaic
2 oz. Strata
2 oz. El Dorado

Cold crash after fermentation finishes.

Then:
Dry hop for total of 2-3 days,
2 oz. LupoMax Citra
2 oz. LupoMax Mosaic
2 oz. Strata
2 oz. El Dorado

Closed transfer to purged keg.

Thoughts and suggestions welcome.

I would move all Citra and Mosaic to WP and move all Strata to DH.
I would skip El Dorado. I still havn't been impressed by it.

 

[Willum]

Also here is an updated tally of the 24 NEIPA hop combos I've tried so far. I ranked them from 1 (favorite) to 5 (least favorite). Keep in mind I've changed more than just the hops on each of these brews, so take it with a grain of salt.

Rank	Hop Combo
1	Citra, Mosaic, Amarillo, Galaxy (3rd place, 42.5/50)
1	CTZ, Vic Secret
1	Citra, Mosaic, Idaho 7 (1st place, 33.5/50)
1	CTZ, Citra (1st place, 40/50)
1	Citra, Motueka
2	CTZ, Galaxy, Mosaic
2	CTZ, Mosaic
2	Citra, Mosaic, Galaxy
2	Citra
2	Mosaic
2	Citra, Mosaic
3	Citra, Mosaic, Strata
3	CTZ, Citra, Mosaic, Galaxy
3	Citra, Ekuanot
3	Mosaic, Amarillo, Vic Secret
3	CTZ, Simcoe, Motueka, Azacca
3	Mosaic, Ekuanot (didn't place, 33/50)
3	Galaxy, El Dorado
3	Galaxy, Amarillo
4	Azacca
4	Citra, Mosaic, El Dorado
4	Galaxy
5	Nelson
5	Galaxy, Azacca, Ekuanot

Great list, have you ever tried Citra, Mosaic, Simcoe, Galaxy? It’s by far my favorite combo.

 

[ihavenonickname]

Heres a +1 for Bravo in the WP! Wanted to try it after reading this Janish article.

1.060 -> 1.012
6 gallons into fermenter
Imperial A24

2-Row 77%
wheat malt 15%
flaked oats 8%

Bravo at 30 mintes for 20 IBUs
Cascade 2oz at 5 minutes
Bravo 4oz WP at 185

Citra 4oz DH
Nelson 4oz DH

Fermented at 72F and 12psi. Dry hopped on day 10 at 55F and 20psi for 3 days.

Intense tangerine and all bright citrus, pineapple, mango. I would definitely use again. I could see it pairing well with mosaic or simcoe (not usually my favorite hops) for added dank and depth.

 

[anteater8]

Great list, have you ever tried Citra, Mosaic, Simcoe, Galaxy? It’s by far my favorite combo.

I have not but I'm actually very intent on using Simcoe a lot more in my IPAs, so I will keep that combo in mind. Thanks!

 

[Willum]

I have not but I'm actually very intent on using Simcoe a lot more in my IPAs, so I will keep that combo in mind. Thanks!

I go with:
2/1/1 Simcoe/Citra/Mosaic whirlpool
1.5/1.5/1 Citra/Mosaic/Galaxy dry hop

I took the idea from a Kane beer (Party Wave) where they listed the hops and when they used them. After some trial and error, I found the taste I was looking for.

 

[Andre3000]

I've been using A38 Juice almost exclusively for this style. I do really like it, but I'm looking to branch out to something a bit more attenuative but with a profile that still suits the style.

My thoughts are:
-Pacman
-WLP007
-1056

I've already tried some with 1272 and they turned out ok. Curious to hear what everyone's second favorite is next to LAIII / Juice.

 

[Andre3000]

I have not but I'm actually very intent on using Simcoe a lot more in my IPAs, so I will keep that combo in mind. Thanks!

One of my favorites is:
WP: 3:3 Citra Simcoe
DH: 3:3:2 Citra Simcoe Sabro

Give it a shot. The Sabro comes through really nicely.

 

[anteater8]

I've been using A38 Juice almost exclusively for this style. I do really like it, but I'm looking to branch out to something a bit more attenuative but with a profile that still suits the style.

My thoughts are:
-Pacman
-WLP007
-1056

I've already tried some with 1272 and they turned out ok. Curious to hear what everyone's second favorite is next to LAIII / Juice.

I've used Juice ~20 times and Barbarian ~10 times. Both great, but I give Juice the slight edge. Only other yeast I've used in a NEIPA was Sacch Trois once and I let it ferment in the mid-upper 70's, but I wasn't a fan of the intense bubblegum esters.

 

[MrPowers]

Did you ever brew this? If so have you been able to try it yet? Just curious how it came out is you did.

Ok, this beer is finally on. After cold crashing I naturally carbed with CBC1 (dextrose/room temp for 72hours). Its been in the kegerator two days since carbing.

Aroma is awesome! Strata dominates with a little bit of dank/orange coming through from the I7 as well. The combo together kind of reminds me of Enigma but with more orange.

Solid bitterness up front, resiny/mouth-coating hop saturation with some nice toasty malt on the back end. The mouthfeel is incredibly soft.

It has a slightly tart finish (which I have never gotten in a NEIPA before) that takes some getting used to. I’m not sure if that is due to the US05 but I definitely wouldn’t call it an off flavor. It’s probably just because it’s still a bit green. I think in about a week, that tartness will just be perceived as “crisp”.

The foam is crazy. It almost looks like a nitro pour. It’s definitely the closest I’ve ever gotten to the foam on Hill Farmstead’s beers I tried at the brewery.

Color is a radiant pale orange. It’s not an opaque haze (eg. Trillium), it’s more like a Tree House/Alchemist level haze.

Overall I would call this a winner. I think I would have preferred it with S04/Conan, but I can't say for sure yet. I also think that in about another week it’s going to be out of this world!

 

[R.A.I.D]

Why is it that most beers in this thread is golden orange rather than yellow? Can we make them yellow without changing the mouthfeel?

It looks like the grain bill for the yellow neipas contains no caramel malt and uses pilsner malt rather than pale malt.

 

[R.A.I.D]

Curious to hear what everyone's second favorite is next to LAIII / Juice.

My favorite until now is S-04. Over LA3. It is just easier to work with dry yeast rather than liquid. No starter needed. No oxygen needed to be added before pitching. And it performs equally well and stays hazy for longer time than my last LA3 batch.

I also want to try S33, Lallemand New England and maybe wyeast 1056/WLP001 for the aroma even though it probably won't be hazy.