New England IPA "Northeast" style IPA

[ramjam]

i don’t remember the canning date, i will look when i get home, it tasted good

 

[Andrew Hodgson]

@SRJHops

I have seen that video before and thought the same. I had heard that though he maintains the "drink from the can" was to retain nose or prevent oxidation or whatever but that it really was due to the market not yet being ready for a non-clear IPA. Who knows, I tend to favor the second reason as it makes more sense at the time the beer was the gold standard and forefront of hazy IPA's.

 

[Dgallo]

I agree, that looks terrible. Massively Oxidised.
Still I'm dying to try Treehouse but don't think ill ever get hold of one : (

Do you have access to any sought after beers in you area? If so I know @TheDudeLebowski has access to trillium and tree house and does trades

 

[RTE]

i tried my first NEIPA just a few days ago, i have never been a hop head myself but i really enjoyed this beer and plan on trying my hand in making one at home

Julius has a higher SRM than your typical NEIPA (bissell, trillium, etc.), due to possibly honey malt or something similar used. Also lightning, camera angle, and phone type all impact how the photo turns out. Point being, this can is probably not oxidized. Julius is darker to begin with and there could be a camera lightning issue as well.

tldr: Looks like Julius to me.

The label is weird because during the fall/winter their can supplier fell behind schedule so they reverted to using plain cans with older labels. That said, I would guess this can is at least 3 months old.

 

[BrewCityBaller]

i tried my first NEIPA just a few days ago, i have never been a hop head myself but i really enjoyed this beer and plan on trying my hand in making one at homeView attachment 626032

If you enjoyed this NEIPA you're going to be THRILLED when you taste one that isn't oxidized.

 

[Dgallo]

Julius has a higher SRM than your typical NEIPA (bissell, trillium, etc.), due to possibly honey malt or something similar used. Also lightning, camera angle, and phone type all impact how the photo turns out. Point being, this can is probably not oxidized. Julius is darker to begin with and there could be a camera lightning issue as well.

tldr: Looks like Julius to me.

The label is weird because during the fall/winter their can supplier fell behind schedule so they reverted to using plain cans with older labels. That said, I would guess this can is at least 3 months old.

I get it, youre big tree house supporter. All good brother. But there’s a difference between a 7-8srm and that copper oxidized color.

 

[braindead]

Do you have access to any sought after beers in you area? If so I know @TheDudeLebowski has access to trillium and tree house and does trades

I can get all Cloudwater, Verdant, Omnipollo, Cantillon, Brouwerij 3 Fonteinen. ETC
Verdant are killing it here in the UK at the moment.

 

[Hannabrew]

THAT is the color I am trying to avoid!

On a somewhat related note, and props/respect again to John Kimmich at the Alchemist for inventing the style, but I found this video very bizarre. I rolled my eyes when he explained why you should drink Heady Topper from a can -- because if you take an hour to drink it from a glass it will oxidize! Riiiiight... I have never taken that long to drink any beer, ever. But the truly bizarre part is at the end, when he opens a year-old can of Heady -- oxidized as hell -- and says it's just as good as when it was canned! Again, riiiiight....sure it is.

His cans do have some of the best total packaged dissolved oxygen levels in the business so it's quite possible.

I get it, youre big tree house supporter. All good brother. But there’s a difference between a 7-8srm and that copper oxidized color.

Yeah, Julius has a beautiful color...I find it hard to believe a lighting/camera angle could make it look that color especially considering it's not a dark photo.

 

[marchuk96]

Anyone catch wind of this yet..

https://www.brewbound.com/news/bost...gfish-head-agree-to-merge-in-300-million-deal

 

[ramjam]

4/12/19 was the canned on date of that beer, it must spoil fast?

 

[Dgallo]

4/12/19 was the canned on date of that beer, it must spoil fast?

It shouldn’t but I haven’t ever seen Julius or any of their beers look like that ever

 

[ramjam]

it really wasn’t that dark as it looks in the picture, i thought the picture made it look dark, but i didn’t think it made it look that bad lol

 

[VirginiaHops1]

it really wasn’t that dark as it looks in the picture, i thought the picture made it look dark, but i didn’t think it made it look that bad lol

Lighting in pictures can make a beers color change dramatically, especially super hazy beers. I can take a NEIPA that has a beautiful light golden color and easily make it look like oxidized crap in a picture. Only the person who tasted it(you) would really know.

 

[SRJHops]

Anyone catch wind of this yet..

https://www.brewbound.com/news/bost...gfish-head-agree-to-merge-in-300-million-deal

Interesting and a bit surprising. But more power to 'em if they think that's the way to go.

Personally, with the explosion of local craft breweries making great beer, I've really lost a lot of interest in the national brands. Every time I break down and buy something from one of them I am disappointed, especially with the NEIPA's. I wish the national craft breweries well, though.

 

[ThirstyPawsHB]

Interesting and a bit surprising. But more power to 'em if they think that's the way to go.

Sure, I'd go the way of 127 million in my pocket if offered to be bought by a blah brewery!

 

[exit8]

It shouldn’t but I haven’t ever seen Julius or any of their beers look like that ever

Take a look at this one around the 10 minute mark.

 

[Dgallo]

Take a look at this one around the 10 minute mark.

Rest my case. That’s for the evidence lol

 

[beervoid]

Take a look at this one around the 10 minute mark.

Have had plenty of those from around every corner of the world. Diacetyl and oxidation problems.

 

[SRJHops]

Take a look at this one around the 10 minute mark.

HA! Love this. Totally went a different way than I expected! "Oh oh, has this gone wrong?"

 

[braindead]

Not carbed yet but well happy it looks better than Julius : )
This was the dregs from the bottom of the carboy after transfer

 

[SRJHops]

View attachment 626193
Not carbed yet but well happy it looks better than Julius : )
This was the dregs from the bottom of the carboy after transfer

Nice. I am opening my dregs bottle in about an hour! Just one week in the bottle so far, so we'll see how it's coming along!

 

[Loud Brewing]

I am so impatient that whatever wont fit in the keg gets put into a 2 liter bottle and carbed up with carb cap and crashed for quick sampling.

 

[SRJHops]

Nice. I am opening my dregs bottle in about an hour! Just one week in the bottle so far, so we'll see how it's coming along!

Whoa! WAY more hazy than I was expecting! I think I made an oat cream NEIPA! 3 lbs of malted oats no doubt did the trick! Plus a TON of hops! Just the dregs bottle, so we will see what happens in another week or two....

 

[Loud Brewing]

Whoa! WAY more hazy than I was expecting! I think I made an oat cream NEIPA! 3 lbs of malted oats no doubt did the trick! Plus a TON of hops! Just the dregs bottle, so we will see what happens in another week or two....View attachment 626234

Murky goodness. Care to share the recipe?

 

[SRJHops]

Murky goodness. Care to share the recipe?

Sure! It's the dregs bottle (what was left on the yeast), and it's probable it will settle down a bit, etc. But here is what I made:

Name: NEIPA #9...#9...#9 (aka More is More)

Batch Size: 5 gallons
Mash Temp: 152
Mash length: 60 mins
Pre-Boil Gravity Target: 1.051 Actual: 1.0515
Boil Time: 60 mins
Post-Boil Original Gravity Target: 1.059 Actual: 1.059
Yeast: Juice
Ferm temp: 66 (4 days); 72 (4 days); soft crash 60 (3 days); 70 (3 days; dh 2 days)
Final Gravity Target: 1.014 Actual: 1.012
ABV: 6.17

Grains:
Two-row Malt: 7 pounds
Malted Oats: 3 pounds
White Wheat Malt: 2 pounds
Carapils: 1 pound
Flaked Barley: 1 pound

Water Profile
Ca: 106
Cl: 144
So4: 98

Total Dried Hops: 11 oz reg + 4 oz Cryo
4 oz Galaxy
4 oz Citra
3 oz Mosaic
2 oz Citra Cryo
2 oz Mosaic Cryo

Hops at 15 Minutes
1 oz Citra

Whirlpool Hops at 200-175 Degrees (10 minutes)
1 oz Citra
1 oz Mosaic
1 oz Galaxy

Whirlpool Hops at 175-165 degrees (20 minutes)
1 oz Galaxy
2 oz Citra
2 oz Mosaic

Dry Hop at 2 days (active fermentation)
1 oz Galaxy
1 oz Citra Cryo
1 oz Mosaic Cryo

Dry Hop 2 Days Prior to Bottling
1 oz Galaxy
1 oz Citra cryo
1 oz Mosaic cryo

 

[marchuk96]

Whoa! WAY more hazy than I was expecting! I think I made an oat cream NEIPA! 3 lbs of malted oats no doubt did the trick! Plus a TON of hops! Just the dregs bottle, so we will see what happens in another week or two....View attachment 626234

That looks exactly like my beer that I made with 3 lbs malted oats...what did u think...I found it almost too creamy and oaty?

 

[SRJHops]

That looks exactly like my beer that I made with 3 lbs malted oats...what did u think...I found it almost too creamy and oaty?

I'll need more time to evaluate it... It's only one week into carbonation, and that was the dregs bottle. If it's like the first 8 batches, it will peak in 3-4 weeks.

Right now the hops are green and there's a lot of bite, but I have really high hopes based on the initial smell and flavor. I didn't pick up oats, but I will try harder to notice them for tomorrow night's bottle. It has softness, but I didn't think it was too creamy - if anything, I thought the mouthfeel would be a little fuller than it is -- maybe the 152 mash temp mitigated that?

The head on it is already huge, so I think I will end up dialing back the carapils next time. I will probably also drop down the malted oats, maybe to 1-2 pounds. I don't mind the murkiness, but it's a bit much -- at least for this first bottle.

One thing I think I proved, at least to myself, is that Janish is right and we don't need flaked oats. I did use some flaked barley, mostly for head retention. But I was thinking of going back to some flaked oats next time -- that is, before I opened this brew!

 

[Loud Brewing]

well done @SRJHops, keep us posted as it develops

 

[Dgallo]

Sure! It's the dregs bottle (what was left on the yeast), and it's probable it will settle down a bit, etc. But here is what I made:

Name: NEIPA #9...#9...#9 (aka More is More)

Batch Size: 5 gallons
Mash Temp: 152
Mash length: 60 mins
Pre-Boil Gravity Target: 1.051 Actual: 1.0515
Boil Time: 60 mins
Post-Boil Original Gravity Target: 1.059 Actual: 1.059
Yeast: Juice
Ferm temp: 66 (4 days); 72 (4 days); soft crash 60 (3 days); 70 (3 days; dh 2 days)
Final Gravity Target: 1.014 Actual: 1.012
ABV: 6.17

Grains:
Two-row Malt: 7 pounds
Malted Oats: 3 pounds
White Wheat Malt: 2 pounds
Carapils: 1 pound
Flaked Barley: 1 pound

Water Profile
Ca: 106
Cl: 144
So4: 98

Total Dried Hops: 11 oz reg + 4 oz Cryo
4 oz Galaxy
4 oz Citra
3 oz Mosaic
2 oz Citra Cryo
2 oz Mosaic Cryo

Hops at 15 Minutes
1 oz Citra

Whirlpool Hops at 200-175 Degrees (10 minutes)
1 oz Citra
1 oz Mosaic
1 oz Galaxy

Whirlpool Hops at 175-165 degrees (20 minutes)
1 oz Galaxy
2 oz Citra
2 oz Mosaic

Dry Hop at 2 days (active fermentation)
1 oz Galaxy
1 oz Citra Cryo
1 oz Mosaic Cryo

Dry Hop 2 Days Prior to Bottling
1 oz Galaxy
1 oz Citra cryo
1 oz Mosaic cryo

That’s alot of hops. Your practically at 4oz/ gallon or 7.125 lbs per gallon if you consider 1oz Of cryo equals 2 oz of pellet. Most of the supersaturation research is out that over 2-2.5 oz per gallon is the land of diminished returns. Sure I bet it taste good but I can confidently say you would produce the same or better beer with 6oz less. But again the only way to know yourself is to brew this beer again and scale down your hops to 12 oz

 

[SRJHops]

That’s alot of hops. Your practically at 4oz/ gallon or 7.125 lbs per gallon if you consider 1oz Of cryo equals 2 oz of pellet. Most of the supersaturation research is out that over 2-2.5 oz per gallon is the land of diminished returns. Sure I bet it taste good but I can confidently say you would produce the same or better beer with 6oz less. But again the only way to know yourself is to brew this beer again and scale down your hops to 12 oz

So, I used 12 ounces for #8, which was called Less is More. Consensus from me and my pals was that it was a tasty IPA, but not a great NEIPA.

I am not suggesting you are wrong; what is more likely is that I am not yet skilled enough to produce the NEIPA I want with less hops. Maybe someday.
.

 

[Silver_Is_Money]

Is the slightly green tint due to the presence of suspended vegital hop matter, or due to the camera and/or my monitor (or my eyes)?

I've only attempted this style once, and I did not apply any LoDO efforts or procedures, and on top of this I bottled it. After only a few weeks post carbonation I got the ugly brown mess seen in the above video, and from that point on it tasted awful.

 

[SRJHops]

Is the slightly green tint due to the presence of suspended vegital hop matter, or due to the camera and/or my monitor (or my eyes)?

I've only attempted this style once, and I did not apply any LoDO efforts or procedures, and on top of this I bottled it. After only a few weeks post carbonation I got the ugly brown mess seen in the above video, and from that point on it tasted awful.

I don't see the green in person, but if there is any, it's certainly from the hops! I am really a freak about cold-side LODO. Most of my first 4-5 attempts were dialing that in. Now I don't really get any oxidation until about 2 months in the bottle, and by then it's usually gone!

 

[Andre3000]

So I did exactly as you suggested Dgallo with A24 dry hop. I followed a very simple grain bill and whirlpooled some Amarillo. Pitched at 68 and after I saw activity within less than 24 hrs I bumped it by 2F per day until I got to 72F.

This brings me to today (day 3). I pulled a sample to see if it was ready to dry hop and holy frig, I have never had a hydro sample taste so damn good this early! The esters this yeast throws off are unbelievably amazing! I can't wait to try the finished product.

It doesn't seem very finicky either which is very nice.

 

[Dgallo]

So I did exactly as you suggested Dgallo with A24 dry hop. I followed a very simple grain bill and whirlpooled some Amarillo. Pitched at 68 and after I saw activity within less than 24 hrs I bumped it by 2F per day until I got to 72F.

This brings me to today (day 3). I pulled a sample to see if it was ready to dry hop and holy frig, I have never had a hydro sample taste so damn good this early! The esters this yeast throws off are unbelievably amazing! I can't wait to try the finished product.

It doesn't seem very finicky either which is very nice.

It really is a fantastic yeast and produce well with that drive. You can even push it warmer next time you do it to like 74-76.

 

[Hannabrew]

My latest batch

 

[Dgallo]

My latest batchView attachment 626469

Can’t just post pictures without telling us the hops lol

 

[Hannabrew]

Can’t just post pictures without telling us the hops lol

True...this was bittered with a tad of Columbus for 60, Citra Strata and a dab of Galaxy in both whirlpool and DH.

I pitched a tiny bit of the total DH with a few points remaining and then tried the recommendation of crashing before DHing (I have previously never cold crashed in primary). Let it warm up to 65 after crashing, added hops and purged, then let it sit for 36 hours before crashing again. Since I have to use a coolbrew bag for crashing it took a couple days before I could rack it.

Surprisingly, there didn't seem to be much aroma right after racking to keg however a couple weeks later it's popping out of the glass. Wondering if it was my senses at the time or if others have experienced this?

Also really liked the color on this one, I'll post my grist later when I'm in front of my computer but I used a dab of caramunich to raise the srm. Also I only used malted oats so no flaked oats in here and holding it's appearance after nearly a month in the keg.... usually mine clear by now.

 

[ttuato]

True...this was bittered with a tad of Columbus for 60, Citra Strata and a dab of Galaxy in both whirlpool and DH.

I pitched a tiny bit of the total DH with a few points remaining and then tried the recommendation of crashing before DHing (I have previously never cold crashed in primary). Let it warm up to 65 after crashing, added hops and purged, then let it sit for 36 hours before crashing again. Since I have to use a coolbrew bag for crashing it took a couple days before I could rack it.

Surprisingly, there didn't seem to be much aroma right after racking to keg however a couple weeks later it's popping out of the glass. Wondering if it was my senses at the time or if others have experienced this?

Also really liked the color on this one, I'll post my grist later when I'm in front of my computer but I used a dab of caramunich to raise the srm. Also I only used malted oats so no flaked oats in here and holding it's appearance after nearly a month in the keg.... usually mine clear by now.

Similar hop schedule to one of my standard brews. Also my updated dryhop method. Your experience with the aroma "popping" after a couple of weeks in keg is same result I have. I plan production accordingly so that I don't start drinking until about 28days post brew - two weeks to ferment & two weeks to condition.

 

[isomerization]

Similar hop schedule to one of my standard brews. Also my updated dryhop method. Your experience with the aroma "popping" after a couple of weeks in keg is same result I have. I plan production accordingly so that I don't start drinking until about 28days post brew - two weeks to ferment & two weeks to condition.

If your ferment is going 2 weeks before packaging, how are you dry hopping? Leaving hops in for a week plus? Pitching less yeast slows ferm rate down?

 

[braindead]

Does anyone else NEIPA loose the bright colour and slightly oxidise once kegged and carbed.
I do everything to minimise O2 but still as well