New England IPA "Northeast" style IPA

[WI_Wino]

Thanks. Funny, I used 1318 in my IPA as well. I do a 3 week primary-only fermentation and the krausen had fallen by the time I dry hopped. Even so the hop sacks still floated. For what it's worth dry hop #1 had 3oz of pellet hops and dry hop #2 has 2 oz of pellet hops. Perhaps an anchor was needed.

Right but I dry hopped at day 7.

 

[MFerBrew]

Yakima Valley Hops has 2016 crop of Galaxy. Ordered a pound today.

They are already sold out.

 

[crusader1612]

WLP013?
Thoughts on this one?
Appears similar to WY1318?

 

[brew703]

They are already sold out.

Damn that was fast. They still have 40 lbs earlier this afternoon.
Farmhouse Brewing has 4 oz packs but they are supposed to be selling pounds by end of week.

 

[Oldskewl]

Farmhouse has 2016 crop

 

[abbysdad2006]

Had on of these last night!! Fantastic!!
Australian double dry hopped IIPA
Grain Bill: 2 Row Pilsner, Malted Wheat, Flaked Oats, Carastan
Hops: Ella, Summer, Vic Secret
O.G 1.067
ABV 7.3%

 

[dishdoc]

40% Rahr 2 Row (6 lbs)
40% Golden Promise (or similar…Maris Otter) (5 lbs)
8% Flaked Oats (1 lb)
4% Flaked Barley 1/2 lb)
4% Weyerman Wheat (1/2 lb)
2% Flaked Wheat (1/4 lb)
2% Honey Malt (1/4 lb)


In post #1418 is it 40% of each base malt, or 6lbs and 5lbs?

 

[Projectfdw]

Brewed the updated recipe with a slight hop change and US 04 as it was all I could get at the time. Kegged on day 15 which was last Saturday and keg hopped with 3oz leaf hops.

I know it's young and not fully carbed but it's a mess. Bitter I assume from the keg hope (still in there) but it's unbelievably sweet. I hit my numbers to a tee as it finished at 1.011.

Anyone experience this. Really hoping another week or so on gas helps but my first iteration was best after a few days in the keg. Advice appreciated.

 

[BreezyBrew]

Brewed the updated recipe with a slight hop change and US 04 as it was all I could get at the time. Kegged on day 15 which was last Saturday and keg hopped with 3oz leaf hops.

I know it's young and not fully carbed but it's a mess. Bitter I assume from the keg hope (still in there) but it's unbelievably sweet. I hit my numbers to a tee as it finished at 1.011.

Anyone experience this. Really hoping another week or so on gas helps but my first iteration was best after a few days in the keg. Advice appreciated.

How carbed is it? That can have an effect on the way the beer presents itself.

 

[Projectfdw]

Very minimal. That's my hope. Had it on 30 psi for 48 hrs and then down to 12 so I expected it to have higher level of carb than it does. I'm not really in a rush to drink it but don't want to lose the essence of a fresh IPA so I cranked the psi back up to 30 and will leave for another 24 hrs and then set it back.

Luckily a friend brought me 2 4 packs of various alchemist beers so I'm not suffering.

 

[brewski09]

40% Rahr 2 Row (6 lbs)
40% Golden Promise (or similar…Maris Otter) (5 lbs)
8% Flaked Oats (1 lb)
4% Flaked Barley 1/2 lb)
4% Weyerman Wheat (1/2 lb)
2% Flaked Wheat (1/4 lb)
2% Honey Malt (1/4 lb)


In post #1418 is it 40% of each base malt, or 6lbs and 5lbs?

It's a minimal difference in barley considering the 13.5lb overall grain bill. You should be able to do 6/5-5/6-5.5/5.5 without noticing the difference in the final beer.

 

[Braufessor]

40% Rahr 2 Row (6 lbs)
40% Golden Promise (or similar…Maris Otter) (5 lbs)
8% Flaked Oats (1 lb)
4% Flaked Barley 1/2 lb)
4% Weyerman Wheat (1/2 lb)
2% Flaked Wheat (1/4 lb)
2% Honey Malt (1/4 lb)


In post #1418 is it 40% of each base malt, or 6lbs and 5lbs?

Not anymore it doesn't

Good catch..... 5.5/5.5 .....But, honestly, whatever combo of base malts you like to use is probably just fine.

 

[Lazhal]

So I heard BYO's latest issue was a NEIPA centric issue. Any good info in there? I was thinking about picking up the issue.

 

[evsol]

It is....Rise of the Haze. Haven't gotten to read it, but there are 5 different recipes in there. Always good to take a look and see what they have to say....

 

[hezagenius]

Very minimal. That's my hope. Had it on 30 psi for 48 hrs and then down to 12 so I expected it to have higher level of carb than it does. I'm not really in a rush to drink it but don't want to lose the essence of a fresh IPA so I cranked the psi back up to 30 and will leave for another 24 hrs and then set it back.

Luckily a friend brought me 2 4 packs of various alchemist beers so I'm not suffering.

Give it 7-10 days in the keg. I've brewed variations on this recipe maybe 5-6 times and each time, when I keg it, it doesn't taste all that good at the beginning. There is likely yeast and hop particulate in suspension that takes a while to settle. Give it a few days, then do a small pour and let it sit in the fridge for several hours. You will see a lot of hop material settle out. Once you let all of that settle and clear it out, the taste will vastly improve.

 

[Oldskewl]

So I heard BYO's latest issue was a NEIPA centric issue. Any good info in there? I was thinking about picking up the issue.

Good issue. Interesting to read some of the history of Alchemist and Hill Farmstead. Definitely looking forward to giving the recipes a try. Love Bissell Reciprocal btw. Buddy brought me back a 6pk of various NE beers last year and I think Reciprocal was my fav. Even over Abner, Susan, Heady and Julius.

 

[Mofoa]

Plan on brewing up OP's recipe today. Although, since I could not get my hands on Galaxy in time, I will be increasing the Citra...

Should have Galaxy by my first dry hop addition...and will use more Galaxy than Citra.

Where are all the pics at??

Cheers!

 

[val214]

Plan on brewing up OP's recipe today. Although, since I could not get my hands on Galaxy in time, I will be increasing the Citra...

Should have Galaxy by my first dry hop addition...and will use more Galaxy than Citra.

Where are all the pics at??

Cheers!

Mosaic, citra, centennial and galaxy.

Cheers!
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[brewski09]

It is....Rise of the Haze. Haven't gotten to read it, but there are 5 different recipes in there. Always good to take a look and see what they have to say....

I'm curious who wrote the recipes because JZ has a pretty well documented position against NE Ales...

 

[Braufessor]

I'm curious who wrote the recipes because JZ has a pretty well documented position against NE Ales...

I think it is more that they have a pretty well documented position for whatever sells (including "controversy" for their podcasts) and they have a position against east coast/midwest breweries doing this, while simultaneously never calling out any west coast breweries that do this. The same west coast people that are quick to rip on tree house or alchemist trip over themselves to tell us how great Cellar Maker is....

I think almost all of the "talk" is just that...... nothing more than generating fake outrage and supposed controversy to keep people talking.

 

[trav77]

Brewing this tomorrow. How do we feel about whirlfloc in this style? I'm cool with hazy but don't like a pint of sludge.

 

[stickyfinger]

some of the NE IPAs are fantastic. Anyone bashing them is full of s---

 

[brewkinger]

Whirlfloc unnecessary. The only pints with "sludge" are the first 1 or 2 if you keg (and that is still not always) or the last 1 or 2 if you bottle (almost always for me)

 

[jjw5015]

I used it. No harm

 

[mintyice]

I use it but it just causes a bigger cold break. Doesn't actually really clear up after being kegged for a while.

 

[Braufessor]

"Sludge" is more a product of excessive yeast and hop material making its way into the serving keg. Not really something Whirfloc is going to cure.

"Haze" is a product of proteins and hop polyphenol compounds from lots of late hops and dry hops. Some, modest, suspended yeast probably too.

 

[droder1]

I'm curious who wrote the recipes because JZ has a pretty well documented position against NE Ales...

Pretty sure he came out and clarified that the beer that started this "drama" wasn't an NEIPA but just a lousy beer - so it got a bit taken out of context.

Dave green was author.

 

[Braufessor]

Recent Sunday Session had "Fieldwork" Brewery (From west coast) on.... they brew NEIPA style beers. It was a very good interview. Can't remember if it was that episode, or the next one with Shady Oak..... but, on one of them, a brewer made one of the best cases for this style of beer.... basically, said the thing he loved about it was that because of the polyphenols, the yeast, the high hop rates - the beer just does not travel well, does not age well (I agree with that for the most part). He said he loved that because it can't be replicated by big, production breweries with huge distribution. It is a truly "local" style and the only way to get the best examples is to get them from the source. Kind of a throwback to long ago when small breweries were common in many towns and each had its unique character.

I thought that was a pretty interesting take on it, and a positive that I don't think a lot of people had considered. It really is a "local" beer and best consumed that way. Difficult or impossible to mass produce, mass distribute, etc. Couple good episodes and interviews though worth checking out.

 

[abbysdad2006]

Mosaic, citra, centennial and galaxy.

Cheers!
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That looks fantastic, did u use the OP recipe?

 

[orangehero]

I entered this beer recently in Drunk Monk competition and it finished 1st in Light Hybrid category. Entered it in NHC at St. Louis and it placed top 3 and made it through to finals (even though it was a bit old when I sent it.) It really is a nice drinking beer. Other than the NE IPA - I probably brew this more than any other beer.

Do you have any new thoughts on competing with this in BJCP competitions now that the style is more widely known?

What would be the best categories in the 2015 guidelines?