New England IPA "Northeast" style IPA

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Really there’s no one answer. It just depends on what your goals are.

It's kind of funny that this basically summarizes everything homebrew related.

Thanks for the insight, especially knowing you must be pretty busy every day with the brewery!

 

[Fergal]

Random request - can anyone with a beer and brewer subscription post a recipe for me? https://beerandbrewing.com/recipe-wildflower-organic-table-beer/

This is my favourite beer here in Australia - if anyone is going to the Firestone walker festival I highly recommend trying it.

 

[DrGMG]

Batch size: 5 gallons (19 liters)
Brewhouse efficiency: 78%
OG: 1.027 (6.7°P)
FG: 1.004 (1°P)
IBUs: 38
ABV: 2.9%

MALT/GRAIN BILL
2.5 lb (1.1 kg) Voyager Pale Schooner
1.7 lb (771 g) Voyager Vienna Schooner
14 oz (397 g) Voyager Beaufort soft red wheat malt

HOPS SCHEDULE
0.3 oz (9 g) whole-cone Motueka at first wort [8 IBUs]
0.7 oz (20 g) whole-cone Motueka at 15 minutes [10 IBUs]
2.1 oz (60 g) whole-cone Motueka at whirlpool [20 IBUs]

YEAST
House mixed-culture (including Saccharomyces, Brettanomyces, and lactic bacteria)

 

[Fergal]

Legend - thank you!

 

[LumberZach]

What we use is most similar to Conan but it didn't come from the Alchemist.

I hate LA3 personally. I think it tramples hops compared to other yeasts and it contributes this fake
cake frosting flavor that once you notice it you find it in every beer made with that yeast.

We were granted access to the three highest scoring lots of 2024 Galaxy that are in the US. We've
used two of the three so far. No exact explanation on why it sucked for so long and they're not
really talking about what they're doing differently. I guess it's no longer being grown in Tasmania
and they've significantly narrowed the picking window. I think this was one of the biggest issues. It
became so popular that they actually couldn't harvest it all when it was in it's prime so you ended up
with lots with significantly different pick dates being blended into one lot. One of the lots we have did seem to
have the weird licorice-like character in very small amounts but it seems I was the only one who
could pick it up. Gonna do a single hop Galaxy double IPA here shortly with all 3 lots, interested to
see how it turns out. Dry hopping that single hop pale ale with Aussie Cascade tomorrow. Ferm samples
were pretty bonkers. We'll see about the final beer. Pretty sure only Treehouse and Cellarmaker have
used it in the states. Not 100% sure though.

I would sure pay alot of money just to get a pound of that Galaxy. I'm forever chasing the Galaxy from 10 years ago.

 

[secretlevel]

So.. I actually did some research on Cohumulone cause I had heard originally it would lead to harsher bitterness. Then I heard that myth had been debunked. But more recently I have heard this statement resurface a few times.

The original study on Cohumulone and bitterness was performed in 1972 and determined to be pretty flawed.

Basically it’s been determined that hops higher in CoH result in a higher level of IBUs in the final beer because they isomerize differently and survive fermentation better I guess??

Soooo it just depends on what you’re after honestly. We’ve started to use these Am Noble hops to build texture more than anything. But again I’m not completely sold on it. I don’t think we’ve pushed the amounts as far as we need to just yet but that more has to do with our kettle design and yield. We’re trying the variety specific Co2 extract and/or moving some incognito out of the WP and into the end of the boil right now to see what impact that might have. If we like the results of this we might try one batch where we move all the vegetative matter to the beginning of the boil via Am Noble and then use nothing but liquid extract to the end. But the goals for these 5% beers are rather different than most “hazy” ipas.

We use Waimea a decent amount if we just want max IBUs from the smallest amount of green matter and don’t want to use extract. It’s the highest alpha hop we usually have in the brewery. Simcoe, Strata, mosaic, all work great too. As does Nelson. I think Riwaka comes through fermentation better than any hop I’ve ever used.

Really there’s no one answer. It just depends on what your goals are. I do think boiling hops is a good thing and leads to a beer with a more interesting flavor and texture that seems to last longer and provide more depth. In general don’t boil hops from Australia, especially Vic Secret.

I don't want to get too into the weeds on Cohumulone because it may not be solely responsible for the harsh bitterness, but there has to be some correlation between Cohumulone content and harsh bitterness. Galaxy is higher than average on it (32-42%) and Vic Secret is through the roof (51-56%), while also these hops have very high AA%. So maybe that's part of the equation here, because Riwaka is also high on cohumulone (29-36%) and it does well in boil as far as I've used it. Although I've never added it at 60, or even 30 minutes. Are there any hops that are high on Cohumulone that are ok to add in early boil?

One interesting hop is Chinook appears to be at 29-34% and high on AA% and it's not known to be a bittering hop, but lots of folks certainly add it on the hotside.

 

[ihavenonickname]

I’ve heard from many excellent ipa brewers - green cheek, westbound, hop butcher that they really love simcoe for bittering and hot side. I dont think it’s all based on old bad research or bias.

Edit: i think a lot of brewers actually like the results from low cohumulone bittering hops

 

[Dgallo]

I’ve heard from many excellent ipa brewers - green cheek, westbound, hop butcher that they really love simcoe for bittering and hot side. I dont think it’s all based on old bad research or bias.

Well that would actually support the researc because simcoe is very low in cohumulone as it’s usually only 10-15% of all alpha acids

 

[ihavenonickname]

Yeah that’s why I brought it up.

 

[anteater8]

I'm definitely not right about this, but for some reason I've never been able to see Simcoe as appropriate in a hazy. It's such a quintessential west coast IPA hop, but I guess it's a lot fruitier than it's piney reputation has led me to believe.

 

[bailey mountain brewer]

I go back and forth between simcoe and ctz on the hotside for my hazies.. it's one of those things that your kinda using to get ibus more than anything else but I like to switch up my early hop addition from time to time. I haven’t brewed the same exact beer and with only that change, maybe I should sometime.

 

[Dgallo]

I'm definitely not right about this, but for some reason I've never been able to see Simcoe as appropriate in a hazy. It's such a quintessential west coast IPA hop, but I guess it's a lot fruitier than its piney reputation has led me to believe.

It’s condition & harvest time dependent. Fidens uses it a lot. Oddly enough They just released a video on social media of Steve and hopfarmer named Max Coleman of Coleman hops from Oregon tastinh some beers that were brewed with hops from their farm and they were discussing the berry fruitiness of simcoe and its harvesting time and lot position on the ranch.

 

[Dgallo]

Going to be brewing a Triple Hazy tomorrow;

Grain Bill
68% - Rahr 2row
16% - Malted Wheat
16% - Flaked oats
Targeted OG: 1.101
Targeted FG: 1.022
Targeted ABV: 10.3%

Yeast: WL095 - Burlington Ale (Conan)

Hotside
Nelson & Rakau 1:2

Dryhop
Nelson, Rakau, Cryo Citra 1:1:1 ratio

*Hop ratios or times might change, all are fresh packs and I’ll make the final decision after smelling them*

 

[RCope]

@Dgallo it looks like you are going to be a very busy man tomorrow ;-). I'm brewing a NEIPA right now, "Dank Juice" using some of that Columbus that you suggested. Thanks for the heads up. Cheers! Rick

 

[Dgallo]

@Dgallo it looks like you are going to be a very busy man tomorrow ;-). I'm brewing a NEIPA right now, "Dank Juice" using some of that Columbus that you suggested. Thanks for the heads up. Cheers! Rick

Double brew day lol. I have my system/process down pretty well now and I can do it with clean up in about 7.5 hours.

I love that Columbus lot btw. Wish I bought 3 lbs lol

 

[Ulisses4677]

El fenómeno
Birthday beer double ipa
8.1% abv
Grainbill:
40% rahr 2 row
40% Weyermann pils
20% pale wheat
Mosaic hot side
Dry hop
Superdelic, citra Cryo, abstrax Nectaron , rakau
Inspired by one of my favorite soccer players R9

 

[Ulisses4677]

Drinking great after 2 weeks kegged.

 

[Dgallo]

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Drinking great after 2 weeks kegged.

I think you uploaded the wrong picture.

 

[Ulisses4677]

I think you uploaded the wrong picture.

It’s the right pick.

 

[Ulisses4677]

It’s the right pick.

I’ll post another pic during the day.

 

[Dgallo]

It’s the right pick.

Ohhh alright. I thought you were trying to post a hb picture but mistakenly posted a picture of the Brujos x North park collab.

I also realize now that’s a west coast collab and it wouldn’t look like that lol. You confused me with that can there man

 

[Ulisses4677]

yeah the brujos north park is a west coast ipa. My beer is in the glass.

 

[Ulisses4677]

yeah the brujos north park is a west coast ipa. My beer is in the glass.

Should’ve cleaned the glass better lol

 

[DonT]

yeah the brujos north park is a west coast ipa. My beer is in the glass.

Like the color...

 

[Dgallo]

A pro buddy just got these from a rep but are too little quantity for him to use so he wants me to test them for him.

They seem pretty cool. Excited to test them out.

 

[Fergal]

Any good hop combos with eclipse? I really like the orange flavour I get from it in commercial beers but haven't brewed with it yet.

 

[Dgallo]

Any good hop combos with eclipse? I really like the orange flavour I get from it in commercial beers but haven't brewed with it yet.


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Could do the medley of citrus.
Eclipse/Citra/Motueka

 

[aaronm13]

Got gold over the weekend with a score of 44 for this Rakau/Citra cryo/Nelson. Got about half way through best of shoe before getting eliminated. Delighted with the result, highest score ever in a competition too.

Very happy with the beer, has great hop saturation and Rakau is a beautiful hop. First time using Coastal Haze too. Love it's profile, best body and mouthfeel I've ever had in one of my beers. Thanks @Dgallo for the hop combination

 

[Dgallo]

Got gold over the weekend with a score of 44 for this Rakau/Citra cryo/Nelson. Got about half way through best of shoe before getting eliminated. Delighted with the result, highest score ever in a competition too.

Very happy with the beer, has great hop saturation and Rakau is a beautiful hop. First time using Coastal Haze too. Love it's profile, best body and mouthfeel I've ever had in one of my beers. Thanks @Dgallo for the hop combination

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Congrats brother. Great score. Glad the combo worked for you. I just brewed a triple with nearly that combo, switched rakau for riwaka. About to dryhop in a few days

 

[aaronm13]

Congrats brother. Great score. Glad the combo worked for you. I just brewed a triple with that combo. About to dryhop in a few days

Thanks. It's a great hop combo so have you to thank there. Went with your recommendation of 1:1:1 Riwaka: Citra Cryo: Nelson. I'd over analysed the beer so much I convinced myself it wasn't very good. First time using Riwaka and it's beautiful, bangs of NZ goodness. I got 24 Nelson from hop alliance and it's a bit underwhelming again. Hasn't got that horrible woody/vegetable character that the 23 crop from YVH had but still lacking that real diesel vibe from a few years ago.

Coastal haze is a great yeast too, finished exactly where I wanted. Here's the recipe if anyone is interested.

OG 1.084 FG 1.021
Coastal Haze Gen 1

Low Colour Golden Promise 69%
Oat Malt 11%
Flaked Oats 9%
Chit 6%
Spelt 5%