Next batch question. Crystal question

[ernie00]

My next batch I want to try is the Victory and chaos IPA from John's palmer book.

I found all the ingredient but my local shop only has CRYSTAL 80L instead of CRYSTAL 20L (0.5LBS)

Would that cause a big problem ?

thanks

 

[wyzazz]

It won't be the same beer, if all they have is Caramel/Crystal 80 then I'd find another LHBS or order online. You'll get a different flavor/color from the 80L than you will from the 20L.

It'll still make beer, but not the one in the book.

 

[PinkyOFloyd]

80L will be much sweeter. There's a big diff between 20L & 80L.

 

[ernie00]

I'm in canada so I'm limited to stores and ordering online is very expensive for shipping. I'll look elsewhere

 

[ernie00]

I talked to my home brew store about it.. they said since it was only 0.5 Lbs using 20 or 80 Crystal wouldn't make that much of a difference. There rest is 8 pounds of LME Pale.

I'm not sure what do think anymore.

 

[kstater]

Big difference between the 20L you're saying, and the 120L the recipe calls for. I'm fairly new, but 80 instead of 120 wouldn't be that major of deal.

http://www.howtobrew.com/section4/chapter19-3.html
Victory and Chaos India Pale Ale
Malts Gravity Contribution
8 lbs. of Pale Malt Extract (syrup)
1/2 lb. of Crystal 120L Malt
BG for 3 Gallons 1.100
OG for 5 Gallons 1.062
Hops IBU Contribution

2 oz of Galena (11%) at 60 minutes
2 oz of East Kent Goldings (5%) at 15 min.
1 oz of East Kent Goldings (5%) at 5 min.

All-Extract


7 lbs. of Pale Malt LME
2 lbs. of Amber DME

All-Grain


10 lbs. of British Pale Ale Malt
or 2 Row Base Malt
1/2 lb. of Crystal 120

 

[ReverseApacheMaster]

You could buy some 2 row and convert it to 20L with some water and your oven.

 

[wyzazz]

I talked to my home brew store about it.. they said since it was only 0.5 Lbs using 20 or 80 Crystal wouldn't make that much of a difference. There rest is 8 pounds of LME Pale.

I'm not sure what do think anymore.

With the 20L you're at 4.9SRM, with the 80L you're at 8.1SRM, with 120L you're at 9.9SRM. And that's just color, not flavor...

 

[ernie00]

thanks for the info. I have the 3rd edition of the book and the recipe call for 20L Crystal.

 

[Yooper]

thanks for the info. I have the 3rd edition of the book and the recipe call for 20L Crystal.

Yeah, that's the edition I have too. Does the LHBS have ANY crystal/caramel malt besides the 80L? You could sub 10L, or even 40L, but I wouldn't go as high as 80L unless I absolutely had no choice. It's an IPA, and 80L would be odd in it. If you have no choice, you could reduce the crystal, and use the 80L but only .25 pounds of it and it still won't be the same, but it would be a bit closer in color (and possibly flavor) than .5 pound.

20L caramel malt is light, with a caramel sweetness. 80L is dark, with a bittersweet caramel sweetness. Definitely very different!

 

[ernie00]

This is what they have

Canada Malting 2 ROW PALE MALT (Lovibond 1.5 - 1.9)
Canada Malting 6 ROW PALE MALT (Lovibond 1.5 - 1.9)
Hugh Baird ENGLISH PALE ALE (Lovibond 2 - 3)
Weyermann PILSEN; 1 lb (0.45 kg): $1.50; 55 lbs (25 kg): $59.95
Canada Malting MALTED WHEAT (Lovibond 3 - 5)
Briess CARAPILS; 1 lb (0.45 kg): $1.70
Gambrinus VIENNA (Lovibond 5); 1 lb (0.45 kg): $1.70
Canada Malting MUNICH MALT (Lovibond 6 - 10)
Hugh Baird LIGHT CARASTAN MALT (Lovibond 13 - 17)
Hugh Baird CRYSTAL MALT (Lovibond 70 - 80)
Hugh Baird CHOCOLATE MALT (Lovibond 450 - 500)
Hugh Baird WHOLE ROASTED BARLEY MALT (Lovibond 500 - 600)
Briess BLACK MALT (Lovibond 500 - 600)
Dingemans BISCUT; 1 lb (0.45 kg): $1.85
Briess VICTORY; 1 lb (0.45 kg): $1.75

Any suggestions ? I know I could do the batch all Extract but really wanted to try steeping.

Thanks again
Eric

 

[Yooper]

oh, the carastan is the closest. You could sub that without much difference in the final product! I think the light carastan is around 17L, and British so it's a bit different, but it's not too awfully far from the 20L.

 

[ernie00]

lucky me, I found a brew shop not too far from my house with a very goo selection of hops, malts, extract and everything I needed. Talked to them this morning and they have everything is stock with the 20L and they seems very knowledgable.

Problem solved. Tonight I bottle my first batch of cincinnati Pale Ale.