YesYou need statistics for that?
YesYou need statistics for that?
I could easily argue the same about your view of beer globally
You can't tell the difference for yourself? Have you ever drunk beer? I mean real beer.
Geography's not your superpower, I guess.Considering I haven't given any opinion about "beer globally" (whatever that means) you'd have your work cut out for you...
Cheers!
I suppose this means I'm not getting any or your "statistics"....You can't tell the difference for yourself? Have you ever drunk beer? I mean real beer.
You, sir, have a magical ability to start riots here. I'm so happy that you've returned to brewing. This forum has been so much more exciting lately!Am I going to have to separate you two?
A real fact is it completely fits the legal definition of beer.It doesn't change the fact NEIPA doesn't look or taste like beer.
Maybe they should get a (private chat) room instead?Am I going to have to separate you two?
Not even sure what you're arguing anymore. Craft beer, very real beer, in general is niche when compared to InBev and the likes. Tree House made $54 million in 2023. That's not too shabby.Compared to what real beer is worth, globally, something like a few hundred billion dollars, iirc, the incy-wincy NEIPA market is very 'niche'. More in line with a barly-based hop cocktail, I'd guess.
I'm merely pointing out it isn't 'beer' according to any definition.
I keep seeing the words “real beer” throughout this thread. What exactly is “real beer”? NEIPA isn’t real beer, sours aren’t real beer, Bud Light and Coors aren’t real beer…. I’m gathering (according to some), if a beer doesn’t have a certain appearance or flavor profile or it’s a mass produced light lager or flavored drink and sold to college kids, women or sports fans, it’s not “real beer.
As stated earlier, the universally accepted definition of beer in one form or another is “A fermented alcoholic beverage brewed from malt, usually flavored with hops.” And in its simplest form, “though used in varying proportions depending on the style being made, ALL beer is made from grain, hops, yeast, and water.”
A blonde ale is a “beer”, a Russian imperial stout is a “beer”, a Hefeweizen is a “beer”, but a NEIPA isn’t?
My brain hurts.
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Yes! One of the Best I've ever had! (much better than Julius, for example!)If you can find it, the Oh-J by Lone Pine is a good example of the style.
Until several years ago, with very few exceptions, beer, including craft beer, looked and tasted like beer. Some of us were there. Then the haze craze bucked the trend and produced barley-based hop cocktails which didn’t look or taste anything like beer. Some of us were there. Beer doesn’t look anything like orange juice, unless it’s fermenting with yeast in suspension. Packaged beer is typically clear, by default, due to yeast behaviour, not murky like a hazy. This brightness is what gives beer its colloidal stability. Hazies, colloidally, are highly unstable generally, more like some cocktails. ‘Juicy fruit bomb’ is not really consistent with descriptions of beer quality. Again, more like cocktails. So-called NEIPAs or hazies undeniably have more in common with cocktails than beer. I don’t understand why this is so difficult to accept for some people. The incessant drive among competing craft breweries to differentiate their products got taken to an extreme and burped out a barley-based hop cocktail rather than a beer. There’s nothing wrong with cocktails. They can be fun too. I don’t understand the resistance some express against the obvious.I keep seeing the words “real beer” throughout this thread. What exactly is “real beer”? NEIPA isn’t real beer, sours aren’t real beer, Bud Light and Coors aren’t real beer…. I’m gathering (according to some), if a beer doesn’t have a certain appearance or flavor profile or it’s a mass produced light lager or flavored drink and sold to college kids, women or sports fans, it’s not “real beer.
As stated earlier, the universally accepted definition of beer in one form or another is “A fermented alcoholic beverage brewed from malt, usually flavored with hops.” And in its simplest form, “though used in varying proportions depending on the style being made, ALL beer is made from grain, hops, yeast, and water.”
A blonde ale is a “beer”, a Russian imperial stout is a “beer”, a Hefeweizen is a “beer”, but a NEIPA isn’t?
My brain hurts.
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The goal posts constantly move with any conversation with this poster...
This member doesn't deserve your time.
Yes, that’s true, the craft beer market, globally or locally/nationally, is a very small market, relatively speaking. And it risks sealing its fate if it focuses on superfluous hop cocktails instead of more affordable beer. This is quite a serious point, considering the wider craft brewing market might not be doing so well. If it’s only about the money, they’re not as passionate about beer as they pretend.Not even sure what you're arguing anymore. Craft beer, very real beer, in general is niche when compared to InBev and the likes. Tree House made $54 million in 2023. That's not too shabby.
I’m doing a dry January.Two guys who drink beer all day go at it, and I'm the problem!
Only fans...Maybe they should get a (private chat) room instead?
That's the problem! Have you seen the Netflix movie "Druk"? It's all about it.I’m doing a dry January.
Quite a few spirits start with fermented malted barley worts. And the alcohol thus produced often ends up in fruity cocktails that sell for double the price of beer. A bit like a hazy?As stated earlier, the universally accepted definition of beer in one form or another is “A fermented alcoholic beverage brewed from malt, usually flavored with hops.”
C'mon February!I’m doing a dry January.
I keep seeing the words “real beer” throughout this thread. What exactly is “real beer”? NEIPA isn’t real beer, sours aren’t real beer, Bud Light and Coors aren’t real beer…. I’m gathering (according to some), if a beer doesn’t have a certain appearance or flavor profile or it’s a mass produced light lager or flavored drink and sold to college kids, women or sports fans, it’s not “real beer.
As stated earlier, the universally accepted definition of beer in one form or another is “A fermented alcoholic beverage brewed from malt, usually flavored with hops.” And in its simplest form, “though used in varying proportions depending on the style being made, ALL beer is made from grain, hops, yeast, and water.”
A blonde ale is a “beer”, a Russian imperial stout is a “beer”, a Hefeweizen is a “beer”, but a NEIPA isn’t?
My brain hurts.
AMEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!C'mon February!
More the one guy on the block that keeps yelling at the kids to get away from his house. LOL.This thread has really turned into people yelling "GET OFF MY LAWN" at each other.
Quite comical.
Say it loud and proud. LOLI love NEIPA's! Specifically, Double NEIPA's!!! and I don't care who that pisses off
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