Never had a NEIPA

[iandanielursino]

To put it more succinctly, nobody here is particularly saying that it's a crime to like NEIPAs, or that it's a crime to think NEIPAs are very different from other kinds of beer, so we ought perhaps to add nuance rather than dispute existing terminology.

 

[Whisky River]

To put it more succinctly, nobody here is particularly saying that it's a crime to like NEIPAs, or that it's a crime to think NEIPAs are very different from other kinds of beer, so we ought perhaps to add nuance rather than dispute existing terminology.

Agreed. All this NEIPA bashing reminds me of when people bash golf by saying it’s just hitting a ball with a stick and chasing after it. They both look really easy from the outside but in practice they are incredibly difficult to do well. I’ll admit NEIPA is not my favorite style by a long shot, and if they got all those fruit flavors by just dumping in a bunch of orange juice, I would be the first to call it a lazy gimmick. But given that these folks can create a variety of bright citrus flavors from a small green flower by choosing complementary varieties, precisely timing dry hop additions, and carefully controlling oxygen exposure to a level we had never seen before, it seems to me you have to at least give them some respect just based on ability. Wether you want to drink the juice cocktail or not

 

[mac_1103]

reminds me of when people bash golf by saying it’s just hitting a ball with a stick and chasing after it. They both look really easy from the outside but in practice they are incredibly difficult to do well.

There is nothing easy about chasing a golf ball after I've hit it.

nobody here is particularly saying that it's a crime to like NEIPAs, or that it's a crime to think NEIPAs are very different from other kinds of beer

Did you actually read the whole thread? Because there are in fact people saying exactly those things.

 

[whoaru99]

Here we see "lawnmower with regard to ABV" contrasted with "lawnmower with regard to drinkability".

Yeah, lawnmower with regard to drinkability. ABV is a factor.

In my parlance, a lawnmower beer is one of which you can "mow down" copious quantites. Generally light, lower ABV types you can pound down a bunch of on a hot day. 6+% beers regardless of style don't fit that in my liver.

 

[Airborneguy]

Like I said before, what REALLY sucks is that "IPA" is such a watered down term. I don't know why you should not be able to say to the waiter "I'd like the IPA please" without having to break out a style guide.

This is the best sentence in the entire thread (at least that I have seen).

It's going to have to happen eventually. Most of what we call IPA today is not at all related to traditional IPAs. The acronym has come to mean "anything hoppy", which recently doesn't even necessarily mean bitter.

Next time they update the styles, they should revert IPA back to the traditional English style and come up with a new category, and sub-categories, for all of the "hoppy" beers that are totally distinct styles.

Think of "Black IPA". One of my favorite styles. Back when it first became popular you had people arguing over "Cascadian Dark" because it really wasn't an IPA. As much as I still call it a black IPA, they were right.

If we're going to have styles for judging purposes, they should make more sense than "IPA" which has become almost as big an umbrella as Ale and Lager.

 

[mac_1103]

a lawnmower beer is one of which you can "mow down" copious quantites

My lawnmower has a cup holder. Just sayin'.

 

[whoaru99]

Mine too. Although on hot mowing days it's more likely to have a water or Gatorade in it. LOL.

 

[OleBrewing]

ok just had to

 

[InspectorJon]

Perhaps we need the style gods to set a definition of what is a proper lawnmower beer is before the whole style gets perverted.

And then there’s the question of when does it stop being a lawnmower and become a tractor?

 

[McMullan]

The internet is sufficiently mature nowadays (in some respects, ) that we can run a simple in-silico experiment to test what a ‘beer’ is supposed to look like. Google ‘beer’ then review the images. There are tens of thousands randomly uploaded images of ‘beer’. It’s obvious that the vast majority of people prefer clear beer. Visually mainly. There’s not much convincing evidence bright beer gets stripped of flavour at all. None we can’t compensate for in recipe design. Craft beer’s slow drift away from bright beer had more to do with propping up the idea (visually) craft beer has more flavour, avoiding the time, costs and hassle of producing bright beer and, perhaps for some, lack of skill as a brewer. Then NEIPA brewers punched the marketeering to a ridiculous level to max out ‘new’ flavours in ‘craft’ hop cocktails without typical beer-like qualities. The next big thing in craft beer is going to be lager and fine English cask ales, which require skilled brewers as much as marketing. It’s just a matter of time before Millennials learn some brewing skills. Hopefully. What’s a NEIPA? If we want to call it a ‘beer’, it’s a lazily rushed hazy brew dry hopped to hell and back to be anything but ‘mundane’ bright beer. It’s a Millennial rejection of beer.

 

[Miraculix]

The issue to me is that they are like 5 IBU. But that's an issue of taste; IMO it's really strange beer, like a Flemish sour. I find it more offensive to call it an IPA when it's 5% ABV and 5 IBU, but we've established that words have no meaning. (Get off my lawn.)

You could hand me purple beer and I'd drink it if it tasted good. But I like malt, and I have an aesthetic preference for balanced flavors.

Plenty of people clearly disagree.

Speaking of which, I still have these blue flowers here that turn every acidic liquid purple. Used it in beer once, worked really well! I might turn my next Saison into a Saison Prince.

 

[Alan Reginato]

Speaking of which, I still have these blue flowers here that turn every acidic liquid purple. Used it in beer once, worked really well! I might turn my next Saison into a Saison Prince.

The purple rainy saison.

I can think of the label...

Wait a second... it would be perfect for a NEIPA! Have you ever seen their labels?!?

 

[Miraculix]

The purple rainy saison.

I can think of the label...

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Wait a second... it would be perfect for a NEIPA! Have you ever seen their labels?!?

Luckily I am not as bombarded by this hopextremists here in Germany as people in other countries are.

I think I had two or three in total this life. It goes without saying that I was not impressed and also my stomach said "do not do this again!".

Did anybody read this study about the coralation between beer ******* and total hop intake?

 

[Alan Reginato]

Did anybody read this study about the coralation between beer ******* and total hop intake?

I came across some articles, that would be very funny to make a post about...

These are hilarious...

Dear Men, Please Stop Drinking Beer. It's Making You Effeminate And Infertile

Bad news for beer drinkers

Put Down the Pint! How Hops Can Negatively Impact Your Testosterone Levels

Hops are estrogenic - From Vikings Smash Brewery

And so on...

 

[Miraculix]

I came across some articles, that would be very funny to make a post about...

These are hilarious...

Dear Men, Please Stop Drinking Beer. It's Making You Effeminate And Infertile

Bad news for beer drinkers

Put Down the Pint! How Hops Can Negatively Impact Your Testosterone Levels

Hops are estrogenic - From Vikings Smash Brewery

And so on...

Back in the days, when hops where still picked by hands, there were effects reported on the fertility and sex drive of men who worked in the hop fields. Let's say, the effects were not so good for them. Also women reported effects but I do not remember what they were. Well, I am cutting my alcohol consumption anyway down big time atm, so all good for me. 2-4 beers a week should not be that bad..... or is it?

 

[Miraculix]

Back in the days, when hops where still picked by hands, there were effects reported on the fertility and sex drive of men who worked in the hop fields. Let's say, the effects were not so good for them. Also women reported effects but I do not remember what they were. Well, I am cutting my alcohol consumption anyway down big time atm, so all good for me. 2-4 beers a week should not be that bad..... or is it?

Is see that has been covered in the linked articles. Good ones! Make me crave for low abv meads and herbal beers without hops! Gundermann here I come!

Edit: Gundermann (ground ivy) is in fact also high in phyto estrogens. Too bad.

 

[Airborneguy]

I came across some articles, that would be very funny to make a post about...

These are hilarious...

Dear Men, Please Stop Drinking Beer. It's Making You Effeminate And Infertile

Bad news for beer drinkers

Put Down the Pint! How Hops Can Negatively Impact Your Testosterone Levels

Hops are estrogenic - From Vikings Smash Brewery

And so on...

I'm done having kids and have excess testosterone anyway. Bring on the hops (just not in hazies)!

 

[Miraculix]

I'm done having kids and have excess testosterone anyway. Bring on the hops (just not in hazies)!

Noooooo bring on the weiiiighhhhhts (lifting)!

 

[Airborneguy]

Noooooo bring on the weiiiighhhhhts (lifting)!

That's how I keep my testosterone high. Maybe the hops can balance it out.

 

[McMullan]

I came across some articles, that would be very funny to make a post about...

These are hilarious...

Dear Men, Please Stop Drinking Beer. It's Making You Effeminate And Infertile

Bad news for beer drinkers

Put Down the Pint! How Hops Can Negatively Impact Your Testosterone Levels

Hops are estrogenic - From Vikings Smash Brewery

And so on...

This explains it.

 

[Miraculix]

That's how I keep my testosterone high. Maybe the hops can balance it out.

Don't walk the dark path my friend! Always towards the light!

 

[Nate R]

And then there’s the question of when does it stop being a lawnmower and become a tractor?

8.
8 cans of 12-ounce cans of inexpensive lager (aka 'lawnmower beer') will hit you once you drink 8 or more. Than it hits you like a tractor.
(There's a reason they come in 6-packs).
If you drink 12 or more you will see deer in your sleep... John Deere.

 

[McMullan]

Is see that has been covered in the linked articles. Good ones! Make me crave for low abv meads and herbal beers without hops! Gundermann here I come!

Edit: Gundermann (ground ivy) is in fact also high in phyto estrogens. Too bad.

My next ‘manly’ NEIPA is getting some of this:

 

[Miraculix]

My next ‘manly’ NEIPA is getting some of this:
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That is probably the most Bavarian thing that one could put into a beer. There's a schnaps called Enzyan which is the German wort for gentian, it's made from the root.

What a nice idea!

 

[wdavis2003]

dry hopped to hell and back

"Dry Hopped to Hell and Back Again - A Craft Brewers Tale"

When's the book coming out?

 

[ThirstyPawsHB]

NEIPAs are the hardest thing for me to brew and get right, meaning no off flavors. A 12% BA RIS is child's play compared to these. Some say they're not real beer...just try brewing them...

 

[madscientist451]

Murky barley-based fruit smoothie cocktails with a weird mouthfeel. Nothing like beer at all. I've tried quite a few with an open mind, but they always remind of vomiting when I was a kid,

You sure that wasn’t “hard” kombucha you were trying?

 

[Airborneguy]

NEIPAs are the hardest thing for me to brew and get right, meaning no off flavors. A 12% BA RIS is child's play compared to these. Some say they're not real beer...just try brewing them...

Honestly there’s no sense in brewing them at home since it’s basically all that breweries sell now. Better off brewing impossible to find porters, stouts, pale ales, and other disfavored styles, especially lagers since most breweries don’t even know those styles exist.

 

[day_trippr]

Why not both? Unless it's a one tap home

If one has the process down and the equipment to support it - and is religious about adhering to the plan - it's not all that hard to brew something easily confused with the best of Tree House and has at least as long legs...

Cheers!

 

[InspectorJon]

There is clearly an argumentative element to all this NEIPA hate speech. Some folks just seem to want to stir the pot and sit back and watch, then stir it some more. Some, or many even, genuinely don’t like the style but aren’t so militant in voicing their distaste. What I don’t understand is the unwillingness of some to not think and say how stupid anyone might be for liking it and not go on and on about what a disgusting style it is.

I got to thinking about beer I don't like. I would probably get smeared pretty good if I said Belgian beer was disgusting and flawed. I really do not like the phenolic and clove yeast flavors. Not at all. I made beer in the 80s that had these flavors and it turned me off enough that I quit brewing because I could not get "ale yeast" that did not turn out this way. Back then, at the one store I could get it at, yeast came in a kind of generic white sachet that was labeled Ale Yeast. By most beer standards those flavors would be considered a defect but we accept that they are OK because some (or lots of) people like them and they fit in a style. Hazy Hefeweizen has some of the same "defects" but doesn't get bashed. Some like it and some don't and let is go at that.

Maybe I could start a Belgian Beer is Defective thread, stir the pot occasionally, and see if it grows to 8 pages. I am not embarrassed to say I like a well made NEIPA. I will also admit it irritates me when folks insinuate that my opinion and taste, as well as the beer style, are defective. But this is the internet with Trolls and loud, persistent opinions. I should probably just stop reading and replying to the I Hate NEIPA threads. I do not frequent the Belgian Beer threads.