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Sematary

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So, I'm still in the boil phase as I write this but here is the recipe I'm working on and after doing the all the calculations, the estimated of (we'll see how close I get), estimeated FG and estimated ABV and IBU. I decided on an ale because of temperature considerations during fermentation (easier than lager). I also wanted a "slightly" sweeter ale with a higher ABV.

Amount
10 lb Pale Malt (2 Row) US (2.0 SRM)
1 lb Wyerman carared Cara-Pils/Dextrine (2.0 SRM)
1 lb Caramel/Crystal Malt - 10L (10.0 SRM)
1 lb Wyermann Light Munich Malt (3.5 SRM)
0.50 oz Centennial [9.50%] (55 min)
0.50 oz Centennial [9.50%] (35 min)
0.25 oz Cascade [7.80%] (20 min)
0.25 oz Cascade [7.80%] (5 min)
1 Pkgs Nottingham (Danstar #-) (Hydrated)

estimated OG: 1.071
estimated FG: 1.016
estimated ABV 7.20%

Total IBU 17.74
Next update will be ACTUAL OG.
 
P.S. - tossed the yeast with a teaspoon of sugar in a cup of water at the beginning of the mash process. Will be putting it in fermenter at about 68 degrees
 
A low pre-boil gravity can be due to an inefficiency in your mash/sparge method or something as simple as the grind coarseness of your grains.
What was your mashing time and temperature .... and did you treat your water with calcium salts? Your water quality contributes a lot to your mash efficiency and will help extract more sugars for the boil.
 
Do you crush your own grains or do you have them crushed before purchase?

How much water per pound of grain did you use for mashing ?

What was your mash temperature?
 
My grains were crushed for me. But, literally, I had them in the water withing 2 hours. I used 3 gallons of water for 13 pounds of grain. My mash temperature was just over 150 F.
I think maybe where I went awry was not taking more time with the sparge. More lessons for Bob.
 
A typical mash volume is 1.5qt water per pound of grain. I sometimes use 2 when doing decoctions.
Add .12-.15qt per pound to this to account for liquid absorption in your grain. For 13lb of grain, you could've used about 6.5 gallons of water for the mash. 13 x 1.5, divide by 4 to convert to gallons, add 13 x .15 ..... That would be an acceptable mash water volume.
Temperature .... Ok for a single infusion mash, but keep the temp stable, and stir a few times.
 
That had to be one hard to stir mash! I use 1.5 qts/pound also and run around 85% efficiency but I crush my own grain and check the gap every so often in the mill.
That was a very difficult mash to stir. lol
 
Hmmm. Probably a good thing you had poor efficiency - a 1.071 beer with over 15% crystal/cara malt and under 18IBU is going to be rather cloying. A 'bit' sweeter than normal would be taking an APA (say, 1.050 and 5 to 10% crystal) and reducing the bitterness to 20 to 25IBU. I hope the beer turns out well with the lower gravity!
 
Also, don't add sugar to the water when rehydrating yeast. Hydrating dry yeast is only to let them wake up start looking for food. Adding sugar encourages them to feed which causes them to suck in other nutrients. Unfortunately, the nutrients are so concentrated at that point that it's bad for the yeast. Don't stress though - most of the yeast will survive and your beer will be fine, but it's better to not have the sugar. You don't want sugar with liquid yeast starters because it encourages yeast to feed on glucose rather than maltose.
 
Also, don't add sugar to the water when rehydrating yeast. Hydrating dry yeast is only to let them wake up start looking for food. Adding sugar encourages them to feed which causes them to suck in other nutrients. Unfortunately, the nutrients are so concentrated at that point that it's bad for the yeast. Don't stress though - most of the yeast will survive and your beer will be fine, but it's better to not have the sugar. You don't want sugar with liquid yeast starters because it encourages yeast to feed on glucose rather than maltose.
It was a dry yeast, not a liquid yeast. But that was what my local brew store told me to do with it - bowl of water with a little sugar to get it started. Is that incorrect?
 
Hmmm. Probably a good thing you had poor efficiency - a 1.071 beer with over 15% crystal/cara malt and under 18IBU is going to be rather cloying. A 'bit' sweeter than normal would be taking an APA (say, 1.050 and 5 to 10% crystal) and reducing the bitterness to 20 to 25IBU. I hope the beer turns out well with the lower gravity!

My wife likes Coors lite, so I was literally looking to make it a lower IBU so that it would come in as something she might like to drink. I guess I'll find out in about a month or so. :)
 
Colors Light weighs in around 4.2% ABV, if I recall correctly. Good beer for countering starchy foods.
Your brew will have more color, flavor, and a slight bit more alcohol .... Over 5%.
The difference between your home brew and Coors Light will be noticeable, but you never know, the "mistake" might turn out better than you anticipated. My first blonde ale was a spin-off of the Biermuncher Centennial blonde everyone likes. I used Cascade hops and a bit more grain malt for a slightly different beer. It turned out really well.
It didn't last long, and my wife - who doesn't share my obsession for beer ... well, even she liked it. Low ABV mildly hopped ales, no matter the color, can be popular.
 
The 11.5 gram dry yeast packets usually contain enough yeast cells to inoculate a 1.050 wort of 5 gallons volume. If I re-hydrate 1 dry yeast packet, I will use bottled spring water mixed with wort and a pinch of Fermaid to make an activated .5l yeast starter during the boil.
I sometimes use White Labs liquid yeast utilizing the same method. I typically don't brew beer with an ABV over 6%, but to tell the truth, you can just empty a dry packet of yeast in water (not distilled or reverse osmosis), let the yeast drop, then stir a bit. Add after 15 minutes and you're good.
With beer worts over 1.050, I will use more than one dry packet because a higher sugar gravity can impede your yeast health and growth rate.
 
Here are a few things, cobbled together from the input above as well as my own experience:

1. Mash thickness. I'm doing BIAB but before I used a mash tun. I typically would have 4.25 gallons of strike water for roughly 12 pounds of grain. That's just a shade under 1.5 quarts per pound, as others have noted above.

2. Mash Temp. How close to your target did you come? I typically am in the 149 to 154 range, looking generally for 152. But that partly depends on what you're trying to achieve. Generally, lower temps = more fermentable, while higher temps = greater mouthfeel, higher final gravity.

3. Water. This is going to influence your mash pH, which will also influence the results you get. There's an old bromide that "if your water tastes good you can make good beer." Terrible advice. Your water (as an example) may be too high in alkalinity, which will raise your mash pH. Getting out of range (5.2 to 5.6 pH) may influence the success of your mash as well as the final product.

I use one gallon of unsoftened tap water (it's hard, lots of minerals) but finish up the volume with RO (reverse osmosis) water, then I add some calcium chloride, epsom salts, maybe some gypsum depending on recipe, a little lactic acid to bring the pH down, and a partial campden tablet to deal with any chlorine from the tap water.

What your water additions should be depend on if you use tap water and what's in it, plus the type and amount of grain you use. There are water spreadsheets out there that can help make these decisions for you.

4. Stir! When I did the traditional mash tun, I would somewhat vigorously (not creating a froth but bringing up the bottom grist to the top) stir at 15 minutes and at 30 minutes. This made a big difference in my gravity. So--stir. Twice.

I still do that with BIAB, at 15 minutes and 30 minutes.

5. Crush coarseness. It's a sort of truism that grain crushed at the homebrew store will be more coarse than you might desire. Some argue that's so the husks aren't destroyed which will help with lautering. But it also means it's harder to get full conversion. You might ask them to crush it twice (that will help, and I do that with my own mill), but in the long run, you really want to control your own crush. If you get a mill, you'll also find that buying grain in bulk can save a lot of money, which savings ultimately can be used to pay for the mill. A Cereal Killer is a good choice, though some also are successful with a Corona mill. Stay away from Barley Crusher.


The good news is you've done a batch, your OG isn't terrible (you'll make beer, and given the recipe, I'd wager it will be good), and you learned a lot from it. Your experience now is context into which you can place the above suggestions.

Good luck!
 
Thanks for all the replies and tips my new brew friends. I learn something from every batch and am slowly improving. A full grain batch of this size was probably a stretch considering the equipment I have (only have one 5 gallon brew bucket) but I could always cut the recipe in half next time or get another 5 gallon bucket and split the ingredients into the two buckets (will that work?). I personally think this one will come out good. I was (am) shooting for something a little less, um, crisp (I guess is the work I'm looking for) than a regular ale - a little bit sweeter I guess. Also used a specific grain to give it slight amber look. If the ABV comes in over 5 I'll be happy. I really wanted to shoot for a bit higher but I need better equipment to pull that one off for a recipe of this size I guess.
 
2 1/2 gallons in a 5 gallon bucket is to much head space. They do make 6.5 gallon fermenting buckets. I add a spigot to mine and ferment and bottle/keg from the same bucket(no secondary for the beers I make)
 
2 1/2 gallons in a 5 gallon bucket is to much head space. They do make 6.5 gallon fermenting buckets. I add a spigot to mine and ferment and bottle/keg from the same bucket(no secondary for the beers I make)

???
I made a 5 gallon batch. It's in a 6.5 gallon fermenter
 
So, just bottled this. OG was 1.052. FG (at bottling before adding priming sugar) was 1.004 so the yeast did it's just for sure. ABV is 6.3% SWEET! And, it tasted pretty damn good. Can't wait for the final product!
 
2 1/2 gallons in a 5 gallon bucket is to much head space. They do make 6.5 gallon fermenting buckets. I add a spigot to mine and ferment and bottle/keg from the same bucket(no secondary for the beers I make)

Not really. A large headspace doesn't really matter for a primary fermenter. It's just going to fill up with CO2. I do 5 gallon brews in my 8 gallon Spdidel all the time. No worries about a blowoff.
 
Thanks for all the replies and tips my new brew friends. I learn something from every batch and am slowly improving. A full grain batch of this size was probably a stretch considering the equipment I have (only have one 5 gallon brew bucket) but I could always cut the recipe in half next time or get another 5 gallon bucket and split the ingredients into the two buckets (will that work?). I personally think this one will come out good. I was (am) shooting for something a little less, um, crisp (I guess is the work I'm looking for) than a regular ale - a little bit sweeter I guess. Also used a specific grain to give it slight amber look. If the ABV comes in over 5 I'll be happy. I really wanted to shoot for a bit higher but I need better equipment to pull that one off for a recipe of this size I guess.
I assume you meant get another 5 gallon brew kettle, not another bucket. I did this exact thing today. I advise against trying to manage 2 brew kettles. Everything has to be split correctly. I have a 4 gallon and a 5 gallon kettle so my efforts were split 45/55 instead of 50/50. It worked, but I think I got lucky with my mash and wort volumes vs my burner sizes, everything ended up reaching temp at the same time by sheer luck. If your temps don't reach so simultaneously, you either needlessly boil off some water or have to keep track of 2 timers. I personally am going to wait till I have a 10+ gallon kettle before doing another 5 gallon AG batch. Just my $.02
 
So, just bottled this. OG was 1.052. FG (at bottling before adding priming sugar) was 1.004 so the yeast did it's just for sure. ABV is 6.3% SWEET! And, it tasted pretty damn good. Can't wait for the final product!
Sounds good to me - maybe even a bit lower FG than I would have expected.
I personally would have used a bit more hops, maybe a full ounce at 60 min, drop the 35, and half ounce each at maybe 10 and 5, or 5 and flameout.
I do understand you are looking for something really light, though.
Looking forward to hearing your report when it's carbed up.
 
So, just bottled this. OG was 1.052. FG (at bottling before adding priming sugar) was 1.004 so the yeast did it's just for sure. ABV is 6.3% SWEET! And, it tasted pretty damn good. Can't wait for the final product!

Have you calibrated your hydrometer (check in water - 1.000, and a known solution of sugar and water to, say, 1.100)? 1.004 isn't out of the question with Notty, but is unlikely for an all-malt brew. If your hydrometer is correct, and you have finished at 1.004 from 1.052, then check your mash thermometer - you may be mashing way lower than expected which could also explain the efficiency issues.
 
Have you calibrated your hydrometer (check in water - 1.000, and a known solution of sugar and water to, say, 1.100)? 1.004 isn't out of the question with Notty, but is unlikely for an all-malt brew. If your hydrometer is correct, and you have finished at 1.004 from 1.052, then check your mash thermometer - you may be mashing way lower than expected which could also explain the efficiency issues.

I have 2 different thermometers so I'll check one against the other to be sure. Yes, I calibrated the hydrometer but there could be differences in water temp vs finished beer temp that I haven't accounted for but I figured that it came in at 1.004 (maybe 1.005 - hard to tell) because the yeast had just been particularly well suited for the job and I never took the beer out of it's primary fermenter - let it sit there for 3 weeks as people on this board have seemed to be pretty unanimous in their belief that using the carboy isn't necessary and exposes the beer to the possibility of contamination.
 
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