My apologies for your thread disappearing . . .

[appanooserapids]

Yikes! I was posting today on another member's thread about when to add extract to the boil, and now the thread is gone.

I was posting a second reply to the OP, and my post showed up as post #1. I deleted it so I could repost it and have it show up at the bottom, and now the thread is AWOL.

I'm sorry I don't remember the OP's name, but my apologies to you. I sent a message to the administrator to try and bring the thread back. I see now that the forum thinks it is 5:04 a.m. central time, and it is really 8:51 p.m. central time. Maybe that is why my post went to the top??

Again, I'm really sorry!

 

[smyrnaquince]

Well, now I know why I can't find my posting!

I'm hoping that the thread can be restored. (I don't have a copy.)

The thread was asking about adding all the extract at the beginning vs. half at the beginning and half near the end.

Related question was about the hops, for example, why not just boil the hops for an hour, then add the extract near the end?

 

[GusWatab]

In my first attempt at doing a late addition I forgot to add the late addition!! I had the wort cooled to 70 degrees and realized what I had done. So I quick boiled up some water and added the remaining two pounds of DME and cooled it down and added it to the rest of the wort.

Will this cause any issues in the final batch?

I know now next time I do a double batch where I am adding additions to two seperate brews to drink less beer and pay closer attention to the process. Oops...

 

[unionrdr]

I remember that thread. I made comments on my own experiences & experiments along those lines. Other times,I'd be the first to comment on a new thread,come back to check,& now at # 4 or so down the line???

 

[appanooserapids]

Smyrnaquince: I'm so sorry about that! I was trying to respond to your second question when everything disappeared!

If you boil hops in plain water, you will get more bitterness, and a resulting higher IBU. When there is extract, or sugar in the water, you cannot extract as much bitterness from the hops. If you were to now change the timing of the extract to the end of the boil, with everything else remaining constant, you would be making a more bitter beer, with a higher IBU. That is why you need to tweak the recipe (either the boiling time, the quantity of hops, or both) to end up with the same IBU as the original recipe. Hope that makes sense!

 

[HexKrak]

I've seen this happen a few times now.

 

[Wakadaka]

Yea I feel like the forum has been acting kinda funky. I have tried posting a few times and it says it has timed out or something. And on a thread I replied to it says someone else posted after me, but I am the last post.

 

[unionrdr]

That's the kind of thing I'm talking about. Wassup HBT? Anyway,I've started boils in my 5G brew kettle with hop teas for 15 mins,then taken off heat & add DME/LME's. I don't think it's more bitter. No strong hop flavor either. I think it's the other way around,so this time,I added all 3lbs of dme at the beginning. Then hop additions at 20mins,10,& -10. Added LME after that to steep for another 15mins. Before chill down & top off. I understand this way will get better hop utilization.
This argument keeps going back & forth. I say,hop teas aren't that good. At least some DME in the boil should help more. We'll see.

 

[ACbrewer]

@GusWatab
- it shouldn't matter as long as your target volume (5 -5.5 gal?) is the same. And your target OG is the same.

@smyrnaquince-
- it has to do with water chemistry, but adding all the extract at the beginning reduces the hops utilization. I had heard that some extract should be added to improve hop utilization, although appanooserapids is indicating other wise. Which is right? I'm not sure. Basically if you wait to do a late extract addition with some or all, you will get more hop bitters into the beer.
- Hops btw adds bittering, flavor and aroma, bittering generally boil 1 hour, flavor about 15 mins and aroma just 2 or 3 mins.

 

[smyrnaquince]

Smyrnaquince: I'm so sorry about that! I was trying to respond to your second question when everything disappeared!

If you boil hops in plain water, you will get more bitterness, and a resulting higher IBU. When there is extract, or sugar in the water, you cannot extract as much bitterness from the hops. If you were to now change the timing of the extract to the end of the boil, with everything else remaining constant, you would be making a more bitter beer, with a higher IBU. That is why you need to tweak the recipe (either the boiling time, the quantity of hops, or both) to end up with the same IBU as the original recipe. Hope that makes sense!

Let's assume for grins that I wanted to add half the LME at the beginning and half at the 55-minute mark (i.e., 5 minutes to go).

• Is it a hope and a prayer (or experience, or experimentation), or is there a calculation for how much to cut back on the hops?
• I'm assuming that a can of extract (3.3 lbs) would kill the boil. So, I'd have to get it back to a boil, then time the last 5 minutes?
• The recipes I've tried have a final hops addition at 5 minutes before flame-out. I'm guessing that I'd wait until the wort returned to a boil, then add the hops for the last 5 minutes?
• What am I giving up, i.e., what is happening or not happening, by only boiling the second half of the extract for 5 minutes?

Liz, if you were local to me, I'd come by and ask for a beer have you make up for killing my thread. Just kidding--I know it was a S/W glitch and not your fault! Thank you for explaining about the bitterness extraction in the presence of sugar. That is something I didn't know.

 

[unionrdr]

Late additions are for flavor & aroma,not bittering. Well,not very much in my experience,anyway. But I also use flavor/aroma hops for these additions,since that's where they're at their best. I'll know next month when we drink some of the finished ale as to which way is better. I used the same amount of hops. Same basic recipe.

 

[IrregularPulse]

It wasn't your fault. A standard or premium user (aka non mod) can't delete threads.