American Wheat Beer Mosaic Honey Wheat

[Bier1080]

I did have two different batches of hops.
Ok got it. So technically your beer was in the 45 ibu range if you accounted for the 0 minute additions? How did you like it at that level?
Yea I like that idea but I didn't want a 50 ibu wheat ale.
Thanks for the help by the way!

 

[brew703]

I'll be brewing this on Friday or Saturday. IBU is 45, which actually my target is 35 or so.
For me, I haven't noticed WP hop IBU calculations to be accurate. I always add 10-15 IBU above my target and that seems to help a lot.

 

[cheesebach]

To try to put this IBU discussion to rest, below are the IBU calculations from my brew (which is probably how the IBU in the OP were calculated):

Mosaic @11.3% AA
0.25oz FWH - 9.3 IBU
0.75oz @15min - 15.4 IBU
1oz @ 0min - 0 IBU
Calculated IBU: 24.8

Now, if I use the updated BS calculations to calculate IBU from a 10 minute steep at 50% utilization, I get:

Mosaic @11.3% AA
0.25oz FWH - 9.4 IBU
0.75oz @15min - 18.2 IBU
1oz @ 0min - 7.5 IBU
Calculated IBU: 35.1

Same exact recipe/equipment/volumes in both, but IBUs are 40% higher in the second one due to estimating the impact of a 10 minute hop steep post-boil. Now, if your hops have a lot higher AA%, it may make sense to adjust the FWH and/or 15 minute addition down a bit to account for the difference. However, I wouldn't take anything off the flame-out addition since the primary purpose of that addition is to add aroma/flavor.

 

[Bier1080]

That makes sense. Well I left the FO the same, dropped the FWH, and decreased the 15 min to .6 oz. With the mosaic I used this was about 30 ibu. I guess I'll see how it is in a couple weeks. Thanks for the help everyone. Cheers!

 

[GHawk]

I had another pint of this again tonight and it keeps getting sweeter. A very evident tropical fruit flavor. The hops will dissipate. I say brew the recipe as is and make adjustments IF you need to.

 

[brew703]

Brewed 7/15.. IBU's at 45 but i anticipate actual IBU to be less. FG 1.010. Added DH of 2.5 oz Mosaic on 7/25. Gonna transfer this to keg on Sunday and force carb.

 

[Onerow]

That’s cool, brewed a 3 gal batch on 7/17. Tried keeping IBU @ 27. Few points high on OG and FG 1.008 for a 6% ABV. Dry hopped 1 oz 7/27. Just a few days behind you. We should compare tastes!

 

[brew703]

I'll pull the first pint this evening. Should be carbed nicely.

 

[brew703]

Oh well, BUMMER! Not completely carbed. Taste is good, very little IBU. I was hoping for a bit more hop bite. Next time I'll probably shoot for 50 IBU's. I'll need to increase the FWH hops to at least 1 oz. Honey malt adds a nice, gently sweetness. I like the flavor- doesn't have that huge wheat flavor you get from using a wheat yeast. Using US05 makes this for me along with the mosaic hops. Wife likes it so that's a plus.

 

[brew703]

Carbonation better yesterday.
Overall, I like it. The honey malt is definitely evident. Slight wheat flavor. I would brew this again only to increase the dry hops.

 

[Onerow]

Put mine under carbonation yesterday after 5days dry hop. Nice honey color, low bitterness. Not sure what contribution Mosaic is bringing to it as I am not familiar with that variety and the beer is green. Overall, I liked it and can’t wait for full carbonation and some conditioning.

 

[brew703]

I really like this beer. Next time, I will be changing up the hop amts and times. I'll add another oz DH and maybe move the late additions to a WP.

 

[Jay55]

I’ll second all the “this is an awesome beer” comments. I made it for my daughters birthday, and it was a big hit. the only changes I made were moving the FWH addition to 15 mins and dryhopping. IBU’s were about 30. Oh, ya, I changed the name a little to Tropical Honey Wheat. non-home brewers get this better I. think.

 

[Sjorge3442]

Bumping this up. Was planning on brewing a hoppy hef with mosaic tomorrow. As anyone here played around with a hoppy wheat forward beer AND fermented with a hef yeast? I was planning on using Stefon from imperial FWIW

 

[Shenanigans]

Bumping this up. Was planning on brewing a hoppy hef with mosaic tomorrow. As anyone here played around with a hoppy wheat forward beer AND fermented with a hef yeast? I was planning on using Stefon from imperial FWIW

Look up a recipe for Crack'd Wheat
https://www.beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/590/47539/

It's an Amarillo based beer but I would imagine that it would work with Mosaic just make sure you take account of the higher alpha acid value and don't add to much early in the boil. I actually brewed a white IPA with Mosaic one time and turned out very good. I was with a witbier yeast though and had a few other hops, something along the lines of Accumulation from New Belgium.
I have no idea what Stefon is like but also look at how to reduce the banana tones by adjusting the mashing and fermentation schedule. Unless you are into the banana thing. Personally I don't think it mixes well with a hop forward beer.

 

[Sjorge3442]

Look up a recipe for Crack'd Wheat
https://www.beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/590/47539/

It's an Amarillo based beer but I would imagine that it would work with Mosaic just make sure you take account of the higher alpha acid value and don't add to much early in the boil. I actually brewed a white IPA with Mosaic one time and turned out very good. I was with a witbier yeast though and had a few other hops, something along the lines of Accumulation from New Belgium.
I have no idea what Stefon is like but also look at how to reduce the banana tones by adjusting the mashing and fermentation schedule. Unless you are into the banana thing. Personally I don't think it mixes well with a hop forward beer.

All good stuff here. Thanks!

 

[Shenanigans]

All good stuff here. Thanks!

I harvested some hefe yeast from a few bottles of Schneider tap 7 so was looking for a hop forward recipe myself. Found cracked wheat and a popular recipe from a German homebrew forum which lots of people have used harvested Schneider yeast for. https://www.ratebeer.com/beer/ratsherrn-limited-2015-matrosenschluck-66/335542/

 

[theshoe82]

Brewed this amount a month ago. Next time I’ll add the bittering hops at 30 mins, as it’s a bit too bitter for my tastes. Otherwise it’s a great brew!