American Wheat Beer Mosaic Honey Wheat

[Kyle]

Thanks for the recipe it turned out great despite a mistake on my part. The scale was acting funky at the LHBS and accidentally shorted myself 3 lbs of wheat for a 10 gal batch. Everything else stayed the same and ended up at 1.047. Definitely gonna rebrew this in the summer with the correct amount of wheat.

I used the original water profile but I think I might tone down the sulfate to 150 or so. Getting a slight bitterness that could use some mellowing but that might be from the missing wheat. Did anyone else change the water?

 

[jpb2716]

Thanks for the recipe it turned out great despite a mistake on my part. The scale was acting funky at the LHBS and accidentally shorted myself 3 lbs of wheat for a 10 gal batch. Everything else stayed the same and ended up at 1.047. Definitely gonna rebrew this in the summer with the correct amount of wheat.

I used the original water profile but I think I might tone down the sulfate to 150 or so. Getting a slight bitterness that could use some mellowing but that might be from the missing wheat. Did anyone else change the water?

I've brewed this recipe a bunch of times and have tried the original water profile, as well as a few others. I've settling in on the Bru'n Water Yellow Balanced profile for it.

 

[Kyle]

I've brewed this recipe a bunch of times and have tried the original water profile, as well as a few others. I've settling in on the Bru'n Water Yellow Balanced profile for it.

Thanks I'll give that a shot next time

 

[thefolkmetal]

deleted due to dumb.

 

[TomRep]

Brewed this one up two weeks ago. Very good and will be a "go to" brew when it gets hot out. Thanks for the recipe!

 

[tomchukj]

Giving this a whirl tomorrow. Looking for something nice and easy

 

[brew703]

For those who have brewed this is 1 oz Mosaic DH enough?

 

[Kyle]

For those who have brewed this is 1 oz Mosaic DH enough?

1 oz was good but next time I brew it I'm gonna try 2 oz

 

[brew703]

1 oz was good but next time I brew it I'm gonna try 2 oz

I was thinking 2 oz as well. I have the grains and will be brewing within the next month.

 

[Shenanigans]

I was thinking 2 oz as well. I have the grains and will be brewing within the next month.

would the 2oz dry hop make it a bit less accessible to your normal beer drinker or will the extra mosaic add a bit more perceived sweetness and make it even more drinkable?
I plan on brewing it this Summer too for a garden party.
I got a pound of Honey malt the last time I was in the States especially for this beer.
Last time I use weyermann Abbey malt and it turned out good.
I also used Castle Pale Malt instead of American 2-Row, this time I'm going to try Golden promise as it's a bit lighter.

Looking forward to drinking this again

 

[Kyle]

I think the golden promise and the extra mosaic would go great with this beer. My wife was never a beer drinker until I made a pale with golden promise, white wheat malt, and lots of late mosaic additions and now anywhere we go if it has mosaic in it she's all over it. For people that always ask if you have anything like blue moon this would be a good transition

 

[brew703]

I was kinda concerned how the finished product would be if I added an extra oz of Mosaic. I was just going to wing it and hope for the best.

 

[Kyle]

I was kinda concerned how the finished product would be if I added an extra oz of Mosaic. I was just going to wing it and hope for the best.

Sorry went off topic a little bit. I think you should be good with the extra mosaic dry hop. I put the 1 oz in mine and although it was good another ounce would have kicked it up a notch

 

[tomchukj]

I am probably gonna go with 1oz of cyro for my dryhop

 

[phug]

a minor variant of this recipe took bronze for me in the Standard American Beer at the Vanbrewers competition this year.

Here's what it looked like from my end.
3 Gallon batch
OG 1.040
FG 1.009

220g Gambrinus Honey Malt
902g Pale Wheat Malt
911g Canada two row

Ugly Bucket Corona Mill crush.

15.25 litres strike water at 69.3C full volume BIAB
Water profile was approx:
Ca 79 Mg 9 Na 15 SO4 82 CL 70 Bicarb -25 (close to Beersmith Yellow Balanced)
45 minute mash, final temp 64.1C my kettle doesn't hold temps for beans and I've stopped trying.

60 minute boil
2.0g Chinook 13%AA 7.5 IBU FWH ( I had it left over and it seemed a waste to use cryohops for bittering, I would have used warrior if I'd had it, or any other neutral bittering hop)
3.5g Mosaic Cryohop 24.1% AA 10.9 IBU 15 min
7.0g Mosaic Cryhop 24.1% AA 0 IBU 0 Min Flameout

chilled to 59 F

Pitched 5.7 g of rehydrated S-04

left in fermentor for 25 days approx 60 F, added 13.6 g mosaic cryo hops 24.1% AA for 6 days.

Kegged at 18 PSI, 40F

currently waiting for the scoresheets to come back.

 

[Shenanigans]

I think the golden promise and the extra mosaic would go great with this beer. My wife was never a beer drinker until I made a pale with golden promise, white wheat malt, and lots of late mosaic additions and now anywhere we go if it has mosaic in it she's all over it. For people that always ask if you have anything like blue moon this would be a good transition

Good, you have convinced me.
Golden promise and an extra oz dry hop it will be.

I have a colleague in work who's favourite ''beer'' is reds raspberry ale.
However any thing I brew with Mosaic and she loves it.
A Rye IPA, Fresh Squeezed and Accumulation clones etc.
Didn't share my Dinner clone with anyone because I only brewed 10 litres and drank it all myself

 

[Calaeb]

Has anyone tried this beer with omega's oyl-200? I have most of the stuff to do this minus the s-05. Was just curious if oyl-200 would work or not

 

[brew703]

Gonna be brewing this one in a week. Has anyone brewed this one with US05 and S04? If so which one turned out better?

 

[VVbrewery]

I'd like this for my next brew but when I put it in Beersmith it comes up with 45 IBUs instead of what the OP has as 25 IBUs. Anyone have this too bitter with the hops as listed?

 

[Onerow]

I'd like this for my next brew but when I put it in Beersmith it comes up with 45 IBUs instead of what the OP has as 25 IBUs. Anyone have this too bitter with the hops as listed?

I am planning to brew this soon. The hops schedule comes in high for me too using Brewer’s Friend. I am adjusting hops to come in at 25 ibu. Several posts admonish to keep the IBU’s down. I have made a a couple Wheat beers using Centennial and while the recipe said 30 ibu’s, they were too bitter for me. Its trial and error IMHO with anything added at or after flameout. The recipe programs do their best but there are a lot of variables.

 

[brew703]

I scalled the IBU's to 38. I am adding a 45 min instead of 60, a 15 and at FO. I wanted a little higher IBU because i find on the homebrew level the IBU's arent as consistent as on the commercial level.

 

[jpLV]

I'd like this for my next brew but when I put it in Beersmith it comes up with 45 IBUs instead of what the OP has as 25 IBUs. Anyone have this too bitter with the hops as listed?

Couple things that I can think of:

1)If you are targeting a specific IBU you'll need to adjust your AA% of the hops you are using. Each batch is going to vary so thats one way to get it in the ball park. You can change the hop AA% on your hops for a specific recipe as needed.

2)The other is Beersmith now does a more accurate calculation of IBU contribution when you are whirlpooling hops. Looking at the date of the original post it looks like this was made before 2.3 update which added this feature. You can see what I'm talking about under your equipment profile. There is a Whirlpool/Steep Hop Utilization area where can make a couple adjustments. One is how long you whirlpool above 185F and if you want to include hop utilization from the whirlpool to also be calculated in the whirlpool. These two can also make a difference. Once you have those set you can then use the Hop IBU's tool to adjust the IBU contribution of each hop if you are still off or just play around with hop timing and amount.

TLDR: Beersmith is more accurate now. You may need to adjust hops to your taste\IBU target.

 

[VVbrewery]

It just seemed like it was pretty far off. I'll mess around with the hop additions to get it closer to 25

Thanks!

 

[cheesebach]

It just seemed like it was pretty far off. I'll mess around with the hop additions to get it closer to 25

Thanks!

Be careful not to drop the hop quantities too far trying to match some IBU calculations, especially without knowing the details of how they were calculated. I could easily see the difference being just from the flameout addition (whatever formula was used likely assumed it to be 0 IBU for this addition, even though that’s not actually true).

Personally, I’d leave flameout hops the same as the recipe calls for and only try to match the IBUs from the boil hop additions to get 25 IBU from those, if you feel the need to adjust. Also, I think Beersmith now gives additional IBUs to boil hops if there is a whirlpool/steep in the recipe after the boil - it didn’t used to do this.

Basically, what I am trying to say is that your IBUs might be closer to 25-30 if you were to use the same calculations that were used for the OP. Adjust if it still seems too high to you, but be careful not to drop the quantities used for the aroma/flavor additions too much, or you may be disappointed.

 

[TerpRush]

Decided to brew a wheat for spring and to play with mosaic, but it did not last that long.
Hard to describe, but tastes like a sweeter passion fruit/guava american hefeweizen that has been a hit with everyone that has tried it. Defiantly more of a hop forward beer (but not bitter hoppy), the wheat comes through but just hints at it.

4lb - Great western 2-row
4lb - Great western wheat malt
1lb - Gambrinus honey malt
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Mash : 152* 60 Minutes
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.25oz Mosaic @ FWH (60 minute boil)
.75oz Mosaic @15
1oz Mosaic @0 (steep for 10 minutes to let everything settle)
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Ferment with S-05 @65* for 2 weeks
Kegged and hit it with 10PSI for another week and started enjoying it. Gets better with time, but it's highly drinkable very quickly.

First time posting a recipe. Apologies if i forgot something.
:EDIT: IBU says 5, which isn't true, that is the SRM, the IBU is 25

Fun recipe, Gotta couple ideas for re-brews!
I went w/ a 2oz Dry hop..

 

[GHawk]

I just saw this post..... funny - I just came from the tap filling a pint of this recipe.
It is by far one of the tastiest summer beers I've made. It has a wonderful, sweet fruity flavor that works with hot weather.
One point I would make is to dry it out a little. It will make a more refreshing beer.
I will definitely be brewing this again real soon!
If you're reading through this thread and wonder if you should brew this beer.... uh, yeah. Do it.

 

[Bier1080]

I know this has been discussed in this already but just plugged in numbers for hops and I'm close to 50 ibus!! I'm not a hophead but still want to try this beer. Has anyone done this in the actual 25-30 ibu range and still liked it? Was thinking about dropping FWH addition and decreasing 15 min addition to half ounce =~ 30ibu. Thoughts?

 

[GHawk]

I did a FWH 1/4oz - 18 min 3/4oz - 0 min 1oz - Dry 1oz - of an 11.5% Mosaic hop - coming in at 32.1 IBU Tinseth.

 

[Bier1080]

I did only 0.6 oz at 15 with 11.3% AA, and 1 oz @ 0 with 10 min. hopstand @ 12.7% AA. First addition said added 12.7 ibu and hopstand added 17.3 ibu = 30 ibu. Am I missing something? Just trying to understand

 

[GHawk]

So it looks like you have 2 batches of hops. One at 11.3% and another at 12.7%.
The original posted recipe doesn't account for zero minute IBU contributions, a somewhat recently updated software capability.
I doubt the toungue can determine the difference between 1 or 2 IBUs.
I like to take the Jamil Zainasheff approach, Brew the recipe First then make any changes to it you might want to.