British Golden Ale Miraculix Best - Classic English Ale

[Broothru]

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[Erik the Anglophile]

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[balrog]

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[Miraculix]

I see that NB carries the Chevallier malt. It looks incredible by the description. I do have the 77 and am getting in more Warminster (and Fawcett). I have never used Target but do actually want to try the true Fuller's hop regimen, so looking forward to it. Here's a current iteration of a strong bitter, sort of emulating the Fuller's hop regime:

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No Chevalier! It differs heavily from year to year. I've had batches that were incredible on their own, bringing all the crystal goodness without any additional malts and I've had batches that were just very harsh and unpleasant. These batches improved with age and were very nice for beers intended to be aged 6 months+, but definitely not suitable for a normal bitter.

 

[user 246304]

No Chevalier! It differs heavily from year to year. I've had batches that were incredible on their own, bringing all the crystal goodness without any additional malts and I've had batches that were just very harsh and unpleasant. These batches improved with age and were very nice for beers intended to be aged 6 months+, but definitely not suitable for a normal bitter.

Wow, that's interesting. From the description I was salivating to try it but it is at a premium. I'll do an ordinary bitter, lower gravity, probably, just to get wee taste.

 

[Miraculix]

Wow, that's interesting. From the description I was salivating to try it but it is at a premium. I'll do an ordinary bitter, lower gravity, probably, just to get wee taste.

I'd recommend a barley wine. Only Chevallier, 10% to 20% invert number one or two and some noble-ish bittering hops. 10% abv, aged for one year, heaven!

Co-pitch a09 and half a pack of us05 for higher attenuation.

 

[kmarkstevens]

I've done yeast offs between Pub, WLP02 and 1469. Pub has always been the blind taste test winner at the homebrew shop. If fact, have done same with 4-5 yeasts and Imperial has always been #1, and not sure why.

All the purported Fullers yeast strains floc like crazy. Big old chunks. A bit of Lyle's golden syrup seems to help. Not only available on Amazon, but also in my local Kroger affiliated supermarkets and World Imports. Or you can make your own invert. So, you may need to rouse the yeast, especially if bottle conditioning.

I've recultured Fullers yeast successfully from one of the bottles that @Northern_Brewer kindly brought to seattle. Made a second partigyle with it and some darker grains, so didn't taste the marmalade. And for some reason, after close to 10 years of being available in the US as bargain prices, First Gold seems to have gone off market. But Fullers + First Gold should be a nice pairing for a bit of marmalade.

 

[Miraculix]

For this specific recipe, goldings is the best match if you ask me. The a09 provides all the flavour I am looking for. But I'm going to try first gold when I'm using a dry yeast in the future.

 

[user 246304]

I'd recommend a barley wine. Only Chevallier, 10% to 20% invert number one or two and some noble-ish bittering hops. 10% abv, aged for one year, heaven!

Co-pitch a09 and half a pack of us05 for higher attenuation.

Excellent!

 

[user 246304]

I've done yeast offs between Pub, WLP02 and 1469. Pub has always been the blind taste test winner at the homebrew shop. If fact, have done same with 4-5 yeasts and Imperial has always been #1, and not sure why.

All the purported Fullers yeast strains floc like crazy. Big old chunks. A bit of Lyle's golden syrup seems to help. Not only available on Amazon, but also in my local Kroger affiliated supermarkets and World Imports. Or you can make your own invert. So, you may need to rouse the yeast, especially if bottle conditioning.

I've recultured Fullers yeast successfully from one of the bottles that @Northern_Brewer kindly brought to seattle. Made a second partigyle with it and some darker grains, so didn't taste the marmalade. And for some reason, after close to 10 years of being available in the US as bargain prices, First Gold seems to have gone off market. But Fullers + First Gold should be a nice pairing for a bit of marmalade.

FWIW, I got a pound of First Gold recently from Northwest Hop Farms. Currently in a strong bitter about a week into primary.

 

[balrog]

First Gold seems to have gone off market.

I just tried to find some at 6 of my "usual" places without luck

FWIW, I got a pound of First Gold recently from Northwest Hop Farms. Currently in a strong bitter about a week into primary.

Aha!

 

[warx]

Is the recipe presented on the first page of this thread still correct? Asking as I see there's lots of discussion and mention of not being able to edit it anymore. My LBS has A09 last I checked. First Gold - not so easy to get here.

I have a Dark Mild and Ghost Ship [citrus pale] clone on the beer engines now and am planning my next brew. Cheers!

 

[bwible]

IAnd for some reason, after close to 10 years of being available in the US as bargain prices, First Gold seems to have gone off market. But Fullers + First Gold should be a nice pairing for a bit of marmalade.

Its not just First Gold. I’ve had problems finding most British hops for the past year. Challenger, Target, any of those.

 

[Broothru]

Its not just First Gold. I’ve had problems finding most British hops for the past year. Challenger, Target, any of those.

I finally had to source thru Canada this year to obtain First Gold, Target and Challenger. Shipping and delays clearing Customs were the drawbacks, but the prices (ex. shipping) were only slightly higher. BTW, quality was quite good.

 

[user 246304]

I finally had to source thru Canada this year to obtain First Gold, Target and Challenger. Shipping and delays clearing Customs were the drawbacks, but the prices (ex. shipping) were only slightly higher. BTW, quality was quite good.

Have to say, very pleased with Northwest Hop Farms. At $12/pound, and reasonable shipping, and getting them quickly, pretty much painless and I'll definitely be working with them again. Picked up Northdown, Challenger, First Gold and Bramling Cross. That said, our LHBS actually carries quite a bit of Challenger.

 

[eshea3]

I've used this small hop farm with success.
https://stocksfarm.net/shop/They have Target and Goldings

 

[Miraculix]

Is the recipe presented on the first page of this thread still correct? Asking as I see there's lots of discussion and mention of not being able to edit it anymore. My LBS has A09 last I checked. First Gold - not so easy to get here.

I have a Dark Mild and Ghost Ship [citrus pale] clone on the beer engines now and am planning my next brew. Cheers!

It's still correct, yes!

 

[Broothru]

Have to say, very pleased with Northwest Hop Farms. At $12/pound, and reasonable shipping, and getting them quickly, pretty much painless and I'll definitely be working with them again. Picked up Northdown, Challenger, First Gold and Bramling Cross. That said, our LHBS actually carries quite a bit of Challenger.

Yes, that’s where I got my British hops. Very satisfied with the quality and service, even though it took a few days to clear customs.

 

[monkeymath]

Yeah, sorry. Keep getting my numbers mixed up. The Pub is just fine if left alone. Maybe some more esters, faster ferment, if roused. It does flocc extremely well, so the final few points might crawl. The Yorkshire needs the aeration to keep the phenolics in check. Two very, very different yeasts.

The thing about phenolics is true for the White Labs version of a Yorkshire yeast (WLP037), but not the WY1469 that was being discussed. Definitely POF-, and an amazing yeast.

Just making sure people don't shy away from that yeast

If I get back into a reasonable rhythm of brewing, I'll definitely give the A09 a shot, though!

 

[DBhomebrew]

The thing about phenolics is true for the White Labs version of a Yorkshire yeast (WLP037), but not the WY1469 that was being discussed. Definitely POF-, and an amazing yeast.

Just making sure people don't shy away from that yeast

If I get back into a reasonable rhythm of brewing, I'll definitely give the A09 a shot, though!

Fair enough, I'm not sure about its POF designation. But I know from limited annecdotal experience that 1469 can throw some clovey/peppery stuff. By the third subsequent batch, it was quite pleasant in an American brown ale. My biggest takeaway was its wide variability in expression across the half dozen or so batches I brewed with it. Mostly rather simple bitters with nothing to hide behind. Quite nice when I could brew frequently enough for immediate turnovers.

 

[user 246304]

Fair enough, I'm not sure about its POF designation. But I know from limited annecdotal experience that 1469 can throw some clovey/peppery stuff. By the third subsequent batch, it was quite pleasant in an American brown ale. My biggest takeaway was its wide variability in expression across the half dozen or so batches I brewed with it. Mostly rather simple bitters with nothing to hide behind. Quite nice when I could brew frequently enough for immediate turnovers.

Cool note. It will be beat up I'm afraid by the time it's repitched, as we left town yesterday and I cropped on Wednesday (and won't be brewing again until next week), but pretty excited about it's repitching performance so far, off of top-cropping. And those stone fruit esters are killer.

 

[user 246304]

The thing about phenolics is true for the White Labs version of a Yorkshire yeast (WLP037), but not the WY1469 that was being discussed. Definitely POF-, and an amazing yeast.

Just making sure people don't shy away from that yeast

If I get back into a reasonable rhythm of brewing, I'll definitely give the A09 a shot, though!

Excellent, thanks. I contacted the Malt Miller and though they're currently out, looking forward to ordering their Brewlabs Yorkshire yeast once it's back in. I believe that's Timothy Taylor's, is it not?

 

[DBhomebrew]

Back to this thread's favorite yeast, I had ordered some Pub as part of a LHBS group order straight from Imperial back in October. All the other yeasts delivered, the Pub needed to wait on new Pub packaging to come in.

Just checked in with the LHBS. They checked in with Imperial. Still waiting on the Pub packaging.

OY! Just throw an Inkjet sticker on whatever pouch you've got and send it out the door!

 

[user 246304]

Back to this thread's favorite yeast, I had ordered some Pub as part of a LHBS group order straight from Imperial back in October. All the other yeasts delivered, the Pub needed to wait on new Pub packaging to come in.

Just checked in with the LHBS. They checked in with Imperial. Still waiting on the Pub packaging.

OY! Just throw an Inkjet sticker on whatever pouch you've got and send it out the door!

FWIW, Northern Brewer currently has some.

 

[kmarkstevens]

The thing about phenolics is true for the White Labs version of a Yorkshire yeast (WLP037), but not the WY1469 that was being discussed. Definitely POF-, and an amazing yeast.

Just making sure people don't shy away from that yeast

How to deal wiht Yorkie Squares? I did half a dozen batches a few years ago, and it was all over the place. Gave it up as too inconsistent, and wasn't able to make anything worth the effort

 

[DuncB]

How to deal wiht Yorkie Squares?

Something like this I would say.
But you'd probably seen that as it followed your post 3140.

https://www.homebrewtalk.com/threads/english-ales-whats-your-favorite-recipe.472464/post-9262103

 

[warx]

I've got this half-way fermented right now. I struggled to find a place to get A09 and my LHBS all said it will be not be available for a while. It got me thinking about top-cropping some. Never tried to harvest yeast before and I just finished a brown ale last week so doubt I'll brew for another month. Is it worth sticking some crop in a jar? The A09 I got from Northern was already four months old so I did a 1L starter for my 30L (8 gallon) batch.

 

[DBhomebrew]

Definitely worth cropping and storing some.

I wish I had some Pub on hand. My LHBS has had mine on order since October. Something about Imperial not having the right packaging, but at this point I'm assuming something more is at issue. They could easily slap a sticker on whatever packaging they've got for their other strains.

 

[Miraculix]

Unfortunately I had very bad experiences with stored pub sludge. This yeast does not seem to keep well.

 

[DBhomebrew]

I had Pub go successfully for 6 or 7 batches before it went bad. That last storage was about six months. Two to three weeks was not a problem at all.

That was harvested post-fermentation cake. Top-cropping would be better.