Meat is not a protein source

[jmendez29]

This is a great thread. Nobody is going on saying you HAVE to eat this way or you HAVE to eat that way. I'm no nutritional expert by any stretch, but somewhere along the way I got the idea that not one single diet will work for everyone. What you eat and in what proportions are individual to the consumer.

A lot of the stuff that I've read on here rings true with me. I haven't cut out breads and pastas but I cut WAAAY down on them. I try to eat more veggies but not very successful with it, and when I do I try to minimize the cooking time, unles it's integral to the food, such as when I make homemade soups. A lot more fruits, I keep bananas, apples, and oranges in stock at all times. I try to keep nuts on hand as well as yogurt for quick snacks. This was all intended to replace chips and cookies as snacks. All this and other various tricks to minimize overeating like serving food in the kitchen but eating at the table to prevent table grazing, smaller plates, etc...

Any which way, I can't stand the militant anything types. I've met a few people who gave me a dirty look for ordering a burger for dinner, but not many militant meat types. Except one guy at work, who happens to be an avid hunter. We were talking about food, and I brought up the idea of trying to instill a meatless day into the diet, like a Wednesday. He literally stood up and berated me for having one of the stupidest ideas ever and walked out in anger. I have no idea where it came from, but he lost my respect forever with that little spectacle.

 

[drainbamage]

I have no problem eating an occasional vegetarian meal. I really like Indian food, and they have a lot of veggie dishes that are so good, I hardly notice the lack of meat. Would I make a permanent diet change of it? Hell no. I still love a big slab of ribs, or a bacon cheeseburger, but I don't make a daily habit of that either. Everything in moderation.

What it comes down to is, I don't think any one diet plan works for everyone. We all have different body types, metabolisms, and ethnic backgrounds that affect what food we should be eating. Figure out what diet works best for you, whether it's vegetarian, vegan, paleo, omnivore, or if you must, meat-and-potatoes, and stick with it.

 

[JohnSand]

More than a handful is a waste?

Good thing I have big hands!

 

[GrogNerd]

I'm sorry.

you would be deluding yourself if you think ANY vegetarian meal can reach anywhere NEAR the level of awesomeness that is my dinner tonight

go ahead... you can be jealous



and, to accompany... Hardywood Hoplar IIPA

 

[Rubes]

I love meat. But the fact that we have to cook meat to eat it without getting sick is pretty compelling evidence that we did not evolve to eat it. Nature certainly had no way of knowing we would create fire and char the **** out of other animals and then eat them. As much as I love a good steak or juicy cheeseburger, eating large amounts of meat every day is not part of a healthy diet. There is absolutely nothing beneficial in meat or dairy products that you can't get from a fruit, vegetable or grain. Obesity related illness is the number one cause of death in North America, and it is 100% because of our diet. I say this after eating two BBQed cheeseburgers. They were fantastic. Now that's probably the most meat I'll eat in a sitting for a week or more.

 

[JohnSand]

We don't have to cook meat.
You never heard of sushi? Steak tartare? Eskimoes chewing seal fat?
Caveman eat everything!
grrrr

 

[Rubes]

Eat a raw chicken breast and let me know how you feel after.

 

[Goofynewfie]

Raw oysters?
most seafood can be eaten raw as long as it's fresh.
Dried meat is raw

 

[Goofynewfie]

Eat a raw chicken breast and let me know how you feel after.

I can point to a lot of plants you cant eat raw or cooked.

 

[Rubes]

I can point to a lot of plants you cant eat raw or cooked.

Absolutely, there's lots of plants you can't eat.

Would anyone eat a raw pork chop, chicken, or ground beef? You can eat raw steak, if it is prepared properly, because the bacteria is only on the outside. Fish and seafood is eaten raw when it is fresh and prepared right away (or frozen of course..) so bacteria can't grow. Eating raw chicken could kill you. That doesn't sound like something we were meant to eat in the grand scheme of things, as much as I love chicken. I like my meat as much as the next guy, but I don't understand the mentality some people have that eating large slabs of meat as a primary source of nutrients is fine. It is not, and our medical system and culture of obesity is proof of that.

 

[CGVT]

No, meat is not the culprit. It is grains. In the history of man, cultivated grains, (and corn) are a blip on the timeline. We did not evolve to eat grains. Meat (flesh proteins), vegetables and the occasional seasonal fruit are what our bodies evolved to subsist on. The only place that grain is appropriate is beer.

Ya'll can carry on with your fallacies.

 

[Yooper]

If our creator hadn't intended us to eat animals they would not be so delicious.

Anyone ever had Kale.... ? blech

I was definitely not meant to eat that...



Humans are omnivores. We ave the luxury of being able to survive on meat and/or non-meat.

Also, complaining about an ad for a vegetarian product on HBT is about as silly as complaining about an ad for tampons.

jus sayin

Tampons? Why pick on them? You like pads better?!?!?

I'm a "primal" eater for my diet. I'm thin, lean, healthy,middle aged with great blood test results, and drink tons of beer. Life is good.

 

[Goofynewfie]

I like my meat as much as the next guy, but I don't understand the mentality some people have that eating large slabs of meat as a primary source of nutrients is fine. It is not, and our medical system and culture of obesity is proof of that.

Agreed, we have evolved to eat meat, just not in the quantities that we do. Our diet is meant to be plant based and supplemented with meat.

 

[mattd2]

Eat a raw chicken breast and let me know how you feel after.

I am sure that if you eat raw chicken it is not 100% certain that you will get food poisoning.
But there are plenty of other meats you can eat raw.

I think the biggest thing on this is if you are vegeterian why the f**k would you want those nice tasty fresh colourful vegetables to be turned into a slab of brown "stuff". Fake meat does not sound appeling to me, but a nice vegetrerian lasagne or soup or plenty of other dishes do.

 

[BetterSense]

I agree that meat substitutes are a silly idea. Foods should stand on their own merits.

But I like meat.

 

[wolfstar]

The enzymes that are contained in flesh based protein have been proven to have been the catalyst for the level of intelligence that human beings express. These enzymes affected the development of the human brain when we first started dining on our fellow earth walkers. If humans had not accepted flesh based proteins as part of our diet, we may have ended up as no more than biped cows for the tigers.

Weaker ones to the edge of the herd. This concept applies to evolution as well.

Now for a reality check....Does the thread starter hate lions, tigers and wolves because they eat flesh? I feed my wolves live mice and rabbits, along with raw salmon, chicken and beef. My companions NEEDthis for survival. If killing is so bad, why is mother nature so full of it?

 

[uxo]

Plants yield 10 times more protein per acre than meat

 

[morticus]

I would trade a celery stick for some elk back strap any day. Nothing says yum like wild game!

 

[Ryush806]

Plants yield 10 times more protein per acre than meat

So? Tasty tasty murder yields 10 times more deliciousness per acre than plants.

 

[Billy-Klubb]

what's down right dumb is all this veggie/non-veggie bashing. it's personal preference. just like everything else in life. my wife is a vegetarian, I am not. neither of us feel the need to argue or debase the others (or anyone else's) eating habits. that would be down right arrogant. of all the misconceptions floating around on either side of your fence, the worst one is: "I'm right, you're wrong." you know what they say about arguing on the internet. I'll get all your medals shined up & ready.

 

[LouHale80]

I love meat. But the fact that we have to cook meat to eat it without getting sick is pretty compelling evidence that we did not evolve to eat it. Nature certainly had no way of knowing we would create fire and char the **** out of other animals and then eat them. As much as I love a good steak or juicy cheeseburger, eating large amounts of meat every day is not part of a healthy diet. There is absolutely nothing beneficial in meat or dairy products that you can't get from a fruit, vegetable or grain. Obesity related illness is the number one cause of death in North America, and it is 100% because of our diet. I say this after eating two BBQed cheeseburgers. They were fantastic. Now that's probably the most meat I'll eat in a sitting for a week or more.

I have to disagree, meat may not have evolved for us to eat it but there is a large body of evidence including the teath in our heads that says eating meat most definatley allowed us to evolve in to who we are today. It's would have been all most impossible for a gatherer type to get enough calories and protein to evolve such large brains. Farming which could provide enough nutrition came along because of our brains, not the other way around.

Cooking meat while not essential does make it more digestable and easier to eat and cooked meat played a part in our evolution. I doubt it took early man long to figure out that adding meat to the fire made it taste better and easier to eat.

Today we are FORCED to cook our meat because of the factory farms and industrial style houses of death that breed infections and bacteria. I have no such worries about the meat in my freezer

 

[mattd2]

I have to disagree, meat may not have evolved for us to eat it but there is a large body of evidence including the teath in our heads that says eating meat most definatley allowed us to evolve in to who we are today. It's would have been all most impossible for a gatherer type to get enough calories and protein to evolve such large brains. Farming which could provide enough nutrition came along because of our brains, not the other way around.

Cooking meat while not essential does make it more digestable and easier to eat and cooked meat played a part in our evolution. I doubt it took early man long to figure out that adding meat to the fire made it taste better and easier to eat.

Today we are FORCED to cook our meat because of the factory farms and industrial style houses of death that breed infections and bacteria. I have no such worries about the meat in my freezer

Also doesn't cooking meat actually destroy some of the goodness in it, therefore another +1 for originally eating it raw.

 

[morticus]

Meat contains protein and the majority of people eat it, which by definition makes it a protein source. Hereby discrediting the title of this thread. Also organic chicken is one of the most efficient sources of lean protein there is.

 

[JeepDiver]

It will be a protein source with about another 3 hours on the smoker.

And some meat is good raw but low and slow can take meat to a level way greater than just a protein source, it can take it to a level that can't be described

 

[orangehero]

You can die from drinking water raw as well. I think that's compelling evidence we have evolved to drink beer.

 

[JeepDiver]

More protein including beans (with bacon)

 

[TyTanium]

... eating large amounts of meat every day is not part of a healthy diet...

This is the conventional wisdom, unfortunately the research does not support this claim.

...There is absolutely nothing beneficial in meat or dairy products that you can't get from a fruit, vegetable or grain.

Even if that were true, it seems odd to cobble together a meal of multiple carefully-selected items to emulate the nutritional value of meat. Dude, just eat the meat. Probably tastes better too.

Obesity related illness is the number one cause of death in North America, and it is 100% because of our diet.

Agreed (well, diet and being sedentary, but diet is lion's share of it). But meat is not the problem. Do you see what most people eat? It's not food. More like a corn syrup / soybean oil abomination.

 

[Billy-Klubb]

so, who's lined up for the bronze?

 

[tx-brewer]

Tell all the statistics and "research" you want. I would rather live 20 years less eating meat, than 20 longer not eating meat.

 

[kiwibrew]

Next thing I bet this guy would say beer is not essential.