Mead for religious purposes

[rebrnfenix]

ChshreCat:
Yes, I agree. If it was just a few bottles, no problem, But Like I said to Pevvy: I actually am trying to make a profit here to further fund this hobby.

 

[rebrnfenix]

I am trying to find the legal acpect of the matter, which is why I posted the question in the first place.

 

[rebrnfenix]

Thank you everyone for the replies. Sorry I couldn't reply any faster to any of the replies, I've been busy with work and school. I'm going to have to think about this for a while before I decide what to do.

 

[Revvy]

It's still illegal if you sell it regardless of whether or not it's a recognized religious institution...for example I can't buy pot for my congregation and use it for "religious purpose." This is really no different. There's only one group that can use anything illegal in their rituals and it is a native american church that can use peyote in their rituals (at least that was the case 30 years ago.)

There's no "church loophole" for breaking the law...

Start investigating a winery/meadery license then, because that's the only way you'll be able to profit from it above board...

 

[rebrnfenix]

I knew about the peyote in the native american church, that was why I was wondering about this topic.

 

[Revvy]

I knew about the peyote in the native american church, that was why I was wondering about this topic.

Well there's a little bit of legal "complexity" involved...and that took a supreme court decision to get to....

Semi-legal drugs : peyote

 

[rebrnfenix]

Thanks for your replies.

 

[homebrewer_99]

Mead for religious purposes ... now that I think about it meads and apfelweins do make a lot of brewers pray the next morning...

 

[magickbottle]

are you folks really that skiddish?!?!

so what if someone rats you out? The only way they can prove it is by a controlled bust. And since they can't charge any of your customers for posession and get them to roll you under the bus, they dont have any real leg to stand on to set up the bust.

Try this, instead of useing currency, use silver or gold bullion. problem solved. Trade for honey to use. Trade for groceries. Trade for someones homegrown. GAIN, if you skiddish of money, trade for some things on your grocery list every week that is worth the same as what you would sell a bottle for.


example "hey man, can i pick up a few bottles of cider"
reply "yeah and on the way over pick up a 5 pack of Top Raman, 1 lb of ground chuck, and a loaf of wheat bread, and a carton of eggs."

or "yeah, can you stop by borders and pick up (insert title/author here)________

or "Yeah, 1 ounce of silver for a couple bottles"

or "yeah, I'm low on 9mm rounds, can you pick up a box of (insert favoirt ammo here)_____

or "yeah, BUT YOU BETTER CRACK OPEN THAT HUMIDOR AND BRING ME A "DON LINO!!!"
you'l have plenty of good barter claimed items in no time

it's fun too, because your friends stop by all the other time

 

[Tusch]

This, as mentioned, is one of the largest homebrewing hobbyist forums online. It is also based in America, where such practices as selling alcohol are illegal. If these illegal acts were ever done in a scale that would force law enforcement to investigate, then technically they could use these conversations in court.

I am not particularly skiddish about this, as some laws deserve to be broken, but in this case I believe it would be more fitting to give them the mead for free. Or, if it is a large quantity and ends up costing a lot, they certainly could help or pay for all of the supplies to make it for them. But charging for the alcohol or "storing fees" is illegal.

Oh and I think most of those ideas magick would also be illegal haha.

 

[etp777]

Plus of course remember the first rule of getting away with something. DON'T TALK ABOUT IT! Youv'e already lost out there, no point in continuing. Keep it legal.

 

[Revvy]

Plus of course remember the first rule of getting away with something. DON'T TALK ABOUT IT! Youv'e already lost out there, no point in continuing. Keep it legal.

Uh huh.....that was one of my points

 

[homebrewer_99]

are you folks really that skiddish?!?!

so what if someone rats you out? The only way they can prove it is by a controlled bust. And since they can't charge any of your customers for posession and get them to roll you under the bus, they dont have any real leg to stand on to set up the bust.

Try this, instead of useing currency, use silver or gold bullion. problem solved. Trade for honey to use. Trade for groceries. Trade for someones homegrown. GAIN, if you skiddish of money, trade for some things on your grocery list every week that is worth the same as what you would sell a bottle for.


example "hey man, can i pick up a few bottles of cider"
reply "yeah and on the way over pick up a 5 pack of Top Raman, 1 lb of ground chuck, and a loaf of wheat bread, and a carton of eggs."

or "yeah, can you stop by borders and pick up (insert title/author here)________

or "Yeah, 1 ounce of silver for a couple bottles"

or "yeah, I'm low on 9mm rounds, can you pick up a box of (insert favoirt ammo here)_____

or "yeah, BUT YOU BETTER CRACK OPEN THAT HUMIDOR AND BRING ME A "DON LINO!!!"
you'l have plenty of good barter claimed items in no time

it's fun too, because your friends stop by all the other time

Just to set you straight, even BARTERING is (supposed to be) taxed...because it was a transaction worth something to the giver and receiver...

 

[Revvy]

Just to set you straight, even BARTERING is (supposed to be) taxed...because it was a transaction worth something to the giver and receiver...

HAH...I didn't even realize that.

Oh, BTW, BATF is actually NOT overlooking us anymore...after 9-11 according to a recent basic brewing it is now a different division...just found this on the BATF website...

As of the 1/1/03 the Alcohol and Tobacco Tax and Trade Bureau (TTB), is responsible for all inquiries in regards to regulating the alcohol and tobacco industries and Special Occupational Tax and for the collection of Firearms and Ammunition Excise Taxes imposed on manufacturers and importers of these products. Contact TTB at the following website:Welcome to TTBGov

So unless we talk about selling our homebrew to buy BATF surveillance keywords detected amonium nitrate and fertilizer, it's just the TTB agents that are lurking.

 

[Revvy]

Speaking of....the OP if he comes back may wanna read the TTB's rules governing homewinemaking...

TTB Wine FAQs

 

[JarrodH]

are you folks really that skiddish?!?!
so what if someone rats you out? The only way they can prove it is by a controlled bust. And since they can't charge any of your customers for posession and get them to roll you under the bus, they dont have any real leg to stand on to set up the bust.

I think that what they are saying is that dont do something illegal, but if you choose to, dont advirtise that fact on a public forum. A lot of criminals get caught becuase they tell someone else about what they do.

 

[JarrodH]

Just to set you straight, even BARTERING is (supposed to be) taxed...because it was a transaction worth something to the giver and receiver...

That is very true. The government ran into a problem with that a long time ago with the makers of bootleg whiskey. Those guys were trading whiskey with people for food and provisions and when the feds came into tax it, they decided to rebell over it..


Whiskey Rebellion - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia