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For those that would like a more "wine like" flavor, what would be the recommended amount of tannin or acid blend to use? Obviously this recipe is more of a "quick and dirty, but good tasting" recipe, but most of the specifically wine-making forums recommend acid blend/tanninf or apple wines (using real fruit). Since we're using mostly juice, the skins aren't contributing any tannins.

It really depends on the apple juice you use. You need to experiment with it.

Many people find that cheaper juices often seem to produce better apfelweins, and I'm pretty confident this is due to the fact that most of the more expensive and premium juices and ciders tend to be less acidic (which is something I've definitely observed), whereas the cheaper (and generally more acidic) juices produce a "brighter" character. So obviously I think an apfelwein can benefit from acid blend, especially if you find it a bit dull and lacking. I feel the same way about using a bit of tannin as well. They are definitely two of the best tools you have to take this simple product to the next level (when done judiciously); and while I'm not sure it'd make for "authentic" apfelwein, oak is another big one.

But like I said, how much to use depends on the juice you're starting with since they're all going to be different. And even with the same juice, these are aspects that very much come down to personal taste. When you combine these two facts, it should be apparent that it's difficult to make a specific recommendation. Luckily, these are things you can experiment with by the glass, and add to the rest of it afterwards. I'd start with around half of what you might find recommended for a dry white wine, and adjust from there.
 
Ed,

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I think it was Irongolem who reported good results "dry-hopping" his apfelwein with several Granny Smith's.

Wow! That is a great idea! I was going to "dry hop" my cranberry wine with some crushed cranberries..and I wish I had!!! Somehow I never thought of it for Apfelwein.
 
RhodySeth said:
So basically just slice up a couple apples, soak 'em in vodka and put 'em in the carboy for a few weeks before bottling?

Personally, I wouldn't bother with vodka. IF I was feeling particular protective of my elixir, I would wash my apples well, then toss them, my knife, and plastic cutting board in Star San for 10 minutes.

I hit 90mph on my way to a taco truck at lunch today though....
 
For those that would like a more "wine like" flavor, what would be the recommended amount of tannin or acid blend to use? Obviously this recipe is more of a "quick and dirty, but good tasting" recipe, but most of the specifically wine-making forums recommend acid blend/tanninf or apple wines (using real fruit). Since we're using mostly juice, the skins aren't contributing any tannins.
Ciders made with fresh fruit and cider made from bottled apple juice do have one major difference, besides being treated with pectin enzyme. Bottled apple juice usually has it's PH adjusted with ascorbic acid. AKA, vitamin C. The reason that's done is to lower the temperature the juice has to be pasteurized at to be deemed safe by the FDA. Pasteurize apple juice over about 160f and it loses a lot of flavor.

So, the acid content is probably closer to optimal then you might anticipate from the figures being used with fresh pressed juice with no other treatment. It is still less then perfect, but not nearly as far off as you might think.


I personally dislike tannin. It's really rare for me to use it in my brew. So, I can't really comment on using it in apfelwein.
I think it was Irongolem who reported good results "dry-hopping" his apfelwein with several Granny Smith's.
Lead, not Iron, but yes. :)

2 lb of apple solids per gallon of cider seems about right to me. Washed, quartered, cored, and dropped in a cold 1:10 solution of water and lemon juice. So they don't brown while you are processing the rest of the apples. If you don't want to use lemon juice solution then you can lightly steam them instead, but that's more of a pain. Then add just the apples to the cider after it's hit FG. Leave them in for two to three weeks. If you want a clear cider you will need to add pectin enzyme according to the instructions for fruit solids.

Freezing the apple first will get you a faster flavor extraction. The ice crystals that form when the fruit is frozen perforate the cell walls and allow for a faster liquid exchange. Doing that you can cut the time with the apple solids in the liquid to one week. The down side is the apples tend to disintegrate when you try to take them out. That makes it rather difficult to the clear the resulting cider.

Any tart apple is ok for this. The milder apples don't contribute very well to the flavor. They aren't bad, they just don't add anything. The sugar is going to ferment out, so you want to find something that's going to have a lot of flavor after it's sugar is totally gone.

Crab apples are actually the best for this, but the trees aren't usually taken care of. So, the fruit is in bad shape and it takes a lot of work to get much that's usable out of them. A close second would be early green apples. They are usually a lot larger and don't require as much work. Neither of those are sold as food. They are really only marginally edible, but they make for a great flavoring.

That's what I like for solid apple additions. Happy brewing. :mug:
 
I think it was Irongolem who reported good results "dry-hopping" his apfelwein with several Granny Smith's.

Crabapples are also used in a similar manner. It's especially nice if you have crabapples anyways, since you can actually use them for SOMETHING.
 
Yesterday morning I put 2 cinnamon sticks in a tall shot glass, filled with vodka and let them soak 12 hours. I dumped it all in the carboy with 2.5 week old apfelwein. CAnt wait to try this in a month :D
 
Is there any need to degas or add k meta if you plan on bottling in wine bottles and aging them? My apfel is a few months old and about to be racked to a carboy for clearing and long term aging.

Thanks, J
 
Does anybody here have any suggestions on how to use cinnamon & clove to spice your cider before bottling? I'm not really sure how much to use or how to add it. Any suggestions would be great!
Thanks
Ken
 
Is there any need to degas or add k meta if you plan on bottling in wine bottles and aging them? My apfel is a few months old and about to be racked to a carboy for clearing and long term aging.

Thanks, J
As long as you're sure it's at FG, not really. For some reason cider doesn't seem to have the oxidation problems you get with wine.

Mottes okay to use?
Yes. Any juice is, as long as it doesn't have either potassium sorbate or potassium metabisulfite in it.

Does anybody here have any suggestions on how to use cinnamon & clove to spice your cider before bottling? I'm not really sure how much to use or how to add it. Any suggestions would be great!
Thanks
Ken
The amounts are going to vary a lot depending on how much spice flavor you want. For a lightly spiced cider, simmer 1 tbs ground cinnamon, 1 tsp ground cloves, and a dash of nutmeg in about 1/2 quart of cider for 20 minutes. Then mix that back in with the rest before bottling. If you want something with more spice presence you can triple the spice amounts. IMO, much over that and you start unbalancing the flavor.
 
Hi All,

I bought a gallon of apple cider from a heritage variety called 'Grenadier' with Apfelwein in mind.

I tested it using my hydrometer (which i'm not very good at!) and the OG looks like 1.15, does this sound about right? It is a very dry juice and quite acidic.

I would like to ferment this to around 13% ABV although higher wouldn't be the end of the world. I have EC-1118 yeast and a couple others but the EC-1118 seems to get a good vote in the thread.

Can anyone guide as to how much sugar I should add to the gallon? I would like this to ferment dry.

Thank you!
 
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The amounts are going to vary a lot depending on how much spice flavor you want. For a lightly spiced cider, simmer 1 tbs ground cinnamon, 1 tsp ground cloves, and a dash of nutmeg in about 1/2 quart of cider for 20 minutes. Then mix that back in with the rest before bottling. If you want something with more spice presence you can triple the spice amounts. IMO, much over that and you start unbalancing the flavor.[/QUOTE]



Alright I'll give that a shot. I just wasn't sure if I should be using whole cinnamon sticks, or maybe soaking the cloves in muslin bags .
 
Hi All,

I bought a gallon of apple cider from a heritage variety called 'Grenadier' with Apfelwein in mind.

I tested it using my hydrometer (which i'm not very good at!) and the OG looks like 1.15, does this sound about right? It is a very dry juice and quite acidic.

I would like to ferment this to around 13% ABV although higher wouldn't be the end of the world. I have EC-1118 yeast and a couple others but the EC-1118 seems to get a good vote in the thread.

Can anyone guide as to how much sugar I should add to the gallon? I would like this to ferment dry.

Thank you!
I'd double check that reading. 1.050 is more common. You might have a very sweet batch, that happens sometimes with late season apples. Usually, those batches are more like 1.085 though.

If the 1.150 reading is correct, don't add any sugar. You could easily end up with something that won't ferment as the sugar has started acting as a preservative.

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It's hard to tell from the pictures, but that looks like a lacto infection to me. If that's what it is, there should be something like an oil slick on the top of the brew.

Alright I'll give that a shot. I just wasn't sure if I should be using whole cinnamon sticks, or maybe soaking the cloves in muslin bags .
Oh, whole spices in a muslin bag work well too. I just specified the most readily available forms and the most consistent addition method.

Adding whole or just cracked spices to a muslin bag and letting it sit in secondary with your brew works very well. Just make sure to sample it about once a week though. With whole spices in a liquid containing alcohol the spices will continue to give up flavor compounds to the brew for around 6 months. Generally, you'd want to remove the spices somewhere between 2 and 6 weeks. Depending on taste and the amount of spice you are using.
 
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Well, Leadgolem has more experience than I do, and he says it looks like a lacto infection. However, I had exactly the same situation as your images depict on my first batch, and it's been delicious and has gotten me inordinately drunk at least twice so far, haha, so I don't know if it's something you need to worry about.
 
Well, Leadgolem has more experience than I do, and he says it looks like a lacto infection. However, I had exactly the same situation as your images depict on my first batch, and it's been delicious and has gotten me inordinately drunk at least twice so far, haha, so I don't know if it's something you need to worry about.
Oh, not really. Not with infected batches anyway. I've only had two of those, and one I infected on purpose.

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Hmm, yeah that actually looks fine. Looks like krausen in the more recent pictures.
 
Has been a real uneventful fermentation, is that due to wine yeast or just a slow fermentation. First attempt at cider
 
As was noted, the "Rhino farts" tend to happen if you ferment above 70F. Keep it in the 65-68F range, and you should be golden.
 

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