Looking for Founders Dirty Bastard Clone

[sgoehner]

Thanks for the info guys, I really hope that his one turns out. It has been going steady since Monday morning and I have about a 4 inch Krausen currently. Sitting around 60-62 still. This is my biggest beer so far, so I am curious to see how long it takes for the Krausen to drop and for the two packs of 05 to finish it off.

 

[sgoehner]

Update on progress, brewed the AG version of this 9 days ago and pitched two packs of US-05. Started about 1.078, and it is now down to 1.011. Doubt it is going to go any lower, but planning to leave it for 2 or 3 more weeks. Tasted the hydro sample and not only is it extremely close to the original already, in my opinion, but this is by far the best beer I have made to date if it holds up. The next couple of weeks of waiting are going to be very hard.

 

[Cold Country Brewery]

Any update on the all-grain version? It's been a few months since people have brewed this, there must be some kind of update.

 

[brewser7]

Any update on the all-grain version? It's been a few months since people have brewed this, there must be some kind of update.

I made mine a while back with wyeast1056 and it turned out great. I took it to my beer club meeting the night we were tasting Scottish ales. Founders DB just happened to be on the list so we drank founders first and my clone after. All 10 people said they enjoyed mine better than the actual DB. I will say, I think we got a poor batch from Founders because the bottle wasn't near as good as it has been I the past (the mouthfeel just wasn't there). However, I think this is a great recipe and tastes very similar to the DB. I would recommend this recipe to anyone who enjoys the wee heavies.

 

[swolfe]

I tried this beer with US-05 (starter with washed yeast). It turned out really well. It was my first time cold crashing. The beer is slightly hazy but there is almost no yeast at the bottom. I bottled 3 of the 5 gal with Appleton Estate V/X at a rate of 2oz/gal. It mostly added a fruity taste with a touch of alcohol warmth.

I have not yet compared it next to the real thing.

 

[dantheman13]

Is anyone boiling part of the wort until caramelized on this one?

 

[OneFeather]

Anybody by chance try this with 1728? I am doing a Wee Heavy in about a month and I was thinking of this or the Northern Brewer Wee Heavy kit.

 

[Clifton]

I used the White Labs version. It was nice and smokey but didn't attenuate enough (too sweet). I had to use a Wy1056 yeast cake to dry it out. After that it was amazing.

 

[KarlHungus76]

Is anyone boiling part of the wort until caramelized on this one?

+1 to this. I was wondering the same thing. Bueller............Bueller?

 

[BrewingPrepper]

I am about to try first ever bottled dirty bastard. In the last week I found a store that actually sells good beer. I tried Weyerbacher merry monks, Terrapin easy rider ale, Victory hops wallop, Siberian night imperial stout. And a few others. Im brewing a IPA for my first brew.

First impressions of DB...Hard to describe aroma...kind of faint. Taste is more towards a light stout with a bitter finish. Im new to all this so idk what Im saying!

 

[orford]

Hello all,

My girlfriend had a taste of DB the other night and was pretty eager for me to take a shot at this... We all know the rules about keeping the sigo happy with brewing. Looking at the original AG recipe I am confused how we get an ABV of 8.5% from 13# of base grain and an IBU of 50 from 2 oz of hops... I put together my own recipe as follows, it's a bit on the heavy side, most likely I will end up at 6 gallons or so:

Style: Strong Scotch Ale OG: 1.084
Type: FG: 1.016
Rating: 0.0 ABV: 8.91 %
Calories: 272 IBU's: 54.32
Efficiency: 75 % Boil Size: 6.35 Gal
Color: 23.3 SRM Batch Size: 5.50 Gal
Preboil OG: 1.079 Boil Time: 60 minutes

Fermentation Steps
Name Days / Temp
Primary 21 days @ 68.0°F
Bottle/Keg 14 days @ 74.0°F

Grains & Adjuncts
Amount Percentage Name Time Gravity
17.00 lbs 86.08 % Simpsons Golden Promise 60 mins 1.034
0.50 lbs 2.53 % Briess Carapils 60 mins 1.034
0.50 lbs 2.53 % Weyermann Caramunich I 60 mins 1.036
0.50 lbs 2.53 % Caravienne Malt 60 mins 1.034
1.00 lbs 5.06 % Dingemans Special B 60 mins 1.030
0.25 lbs 1.27 % Briess Chocolate 60 mins 1.035

Hops
Amount IBU's Name Time AA %
2.00 ozs 24.21 Goldings, East Kent 60 mins 5.00
0.50 ozs 5.31 Goldings, East Kent 40 mins 5.00
0.50 ozs 3.67 Goldings, East Kent 20 mins 5.00
0.50 ozs 4.78 Fuggles 40 mins 4.50
1.50 ozs 16.34 Fuggles 60 mins 4.50

Yeasts
Amount Name Laboratory / ID
1.0 pkg Scottish Ale Wyeast Labs 1728

Mash Profile
Medium Body Infusion In 60 min @ 154.0°F
Add 24.69 qt ( 1.25 qt/lb ) water @ 166.0°F
Medium Body Infusion Out 10 min @ 168.0°F
Add 4.00 qt water @ 210.0°F
Sparge
Sparge 8.98 qt of 170.0°F water

 

[dantheman13]

+1 to this. I was wondering the same thing. Bueller............Bueller?

From what I can assume everyone in this thread is doing a typical 60 minute boil with no other unusual methods. I would think that a longer boil would help get some more melanoidin formations in there, but I guess the Special B is really what is getting that deep, rich Dirty Bastard malt profile?

Any thoughts on doing a 90 (or more) minute boil, or using the caramelization technique (as described in Jamil's "Brewing Classic Styles" for Scottish Ales)?

 

[Clifton]

I did a 60 minute with mine, and it turned out great.

 

[HeritageHD]

Founder’s Dirty Bastard Scotch Ale Clone by Wes

Extract + Grains method
5 gallons
60 min boil

Steeping Grains:

1 lb Dingmans Special B
8 oz Dingmans Cara-Munich
8 oz Dingmans Cara-Vienna
8 oz Dingmans Cara-Pils
2 oz Briess Black Patent

Wort Processing:

9.5 lbs Munton’s Light Malt Syrup

(60) 1 oz Kent Goldings (4 AAU), ½ oz Perle (9 AAU)
(40) ½ oz Perle
(20) ½ oz Kent Goldings, teaspoon Irish Moss

Wyeast 1056 American Ale (liquid) or,
Whitelabs 001 California Ale (liquid) or,
Safale American Ale (dry)

It's been awhile since someone has posted in this....any updates? I was getting ready to purchase a wee heavy kit from Jasper's then had a DB at a buddies house and want to try this.

Is the recipe above a full 5 gal wort boil?

Also, any thoughts on WY1728? I heard Founders mainly uses 1056 but I cant keep those temps constant this time of year so I want to try the 1728.

 

[MikePote]

Heratige,

You ever make this? Wondering how it turned out as I am looking at making a DB clone.

I know you posted a couple months ago but if you have never ordered from Jaspers I highly recommend them. I no longer do extract but ordered a handful of kits from them and was very happy.

Also If you have temp issues 1056 (i use US-05 but same thing) could be just what you need. It is a very forgiving yeast and keeps clean from 60ish up to as high as 72 or so. Before I built my ferm chamber I had this yeast get away from me a few times with no ill effect.

 

[HeritageHD]

Mike -

I ended up going with the kit from Jaspers. BREW day went well and I had a really good fermentation. I bottled last week and will try it out in a few weeks. I added a little peat smoked and some 2 row but the rest was the kit. I couldn't find any info on here about it so I started a new thread.

https://www.homebrewtalk.com/f37/yee-yee-wee-heavy-jaspers-wee-olde-lizzie-scotch-ale-458346/

I'll keep that updated on how it turns out. Jaspers is definitely an awesome brew store and the guys were really helpful. Really fresh ingredients too.