Little Sumpin' Sumpin' Ale?

[Ravenshead]

I brewed it yesterday. Toasting the wheat was easy. My OG was a little low (~62) but the sample tasted right. We'll see in few weeks.

 

[nobita]

So, I just bought all the ingredients for this, and I am planning to brew it tomorrow.But I am confused by the IBUs. Beersmith is telling me the IBUs come to around 30, but the recipe is supposed to be for 60 IBUs, with the actual beer listed at 64.

Maybe there is a problem with converting the everything from grams to ounces? Can anyone help me figure this out?

 

[vtec4me21]

So, I just bought all the ingredients for this, and I am planning to brew it tomorrow.But I am confused by the IBUs. Beersmith is telling me the IBUs come to around 30, but the recipe is supposed to be for 60 IBUs, with the actual beer listed at 64.

Maybe there is a problem with converting the everything from grams to ounces? Can anyone help me figure this out?

I believe the guys from CYBI use the rager formula for bitterness. You might have a different option set in Beersmith. Go into your options in Beersmith under bitterness and see what you have. You can switch this back and forth as needed. I ran into this issue with a couple of their recipes as I use the Tinseth formula.

 

[nobita]

Thanks! I switched beermsith to the rager formula which brought up the IBUs a little, but still less than what Lagunitas lists for this beer. I went ahead and brewed it yesterday anway...it was my first all grain, and my OG was only 1.058 compared to the 1.071 i was shooting for, but hopefully it will still turn out decent...

 

[vtec4me21]

The IBU's will be close, who knows at a homebrew level just how close. I'm sure the real batches of Little Sumpin' Sumpin' vary in bitterness between batches. Let us know how it turns out.

 

[Acoma]

I love this beer. Does anyone have a close extract for this one?

 

[MikeyBrew11]

I was at a beer event hosted by Lagunitas this week and they mentioned it was brewed/dry hopped solely with Saaz and Chinook hops.... it was the first time having this beer and it was delicious

 

[Sippin37]

That's interesting because I swear there was a citrusy/grapefruit aroma to this brew. Man I would love to find a good clone of this recipe....

 

[Schemy]

I was at a beer event hosted by Lagunitas this week and they mentioned it was brewed/dry hopped solely with Saaz and Chinook hops.... it was the first time having this beer and it was delicious

This is contrary to what Don told me a couple weeks ago at a beer fest. Said it was nothing but C hops.

 

[Sippin37]

This is contrary to what Don told me a couple weeks ago at a beer fest. Said it was nothing but C hops.

Now that sounds about right. Give Don a shout and ask him for the malt bill, then the yeast, and any other brew instructions he feels like sharing!

 

[MikeyBrew11]

I definitely agree with you. The grapefruit and tropical flavors are there and although Saaz gives a hint of those I do think C hops are more likely. Maybe the rep misspoke? If anyone can make a very successful clone, please let me know!

 

[ryancrook]

I'm going to make a clone of little sumpin sumpin for a summer wedding so I reached out to Lagunitas for some direction and this is what I got back:

Little Sumpin’
Hops:
-Tomahawk
-Zeus
-Willamette
-Nugget
-Centennial
-Supercritical CO2 Hop Extract
-Columbus
-Simcoe
-Chinook
-Cascade

Malts:
-Malted Red or White Wheat
-Torrified Wheat
-2 Row Pale Malt

Some of the hops are one in the same but maybe this can help anyone wanting to clone it.

 

[Sippin37]

That looks good. You think the malt bill is split 50/50 with wheat and pale malt then?

 

[ryancrook]

I think so. I'm not sure who added this beer on beeradvocate but the description mentions it's made with 50% wheat.

 

[jeffdill]

How is there not more excitement over making a clone of this? Just had one for the first time about a month ago, phenomenal beer!

Little Sumpin’
Hops:
-Tomahawk
-Zeus
-Willamette
-Nugget
-Centennial
-Supercritical CO2 Hop Extract
-Columbus
-Simcoe
-Chinook
-Cascade

Wait, what? I thought Columbus, Tomahawk and Zeus were all the same hop...I'm no expert though, correct me if I'm wrong?

So we had one person say all Chinook and Saaz, one person say all C's, and one person saying 7+ different varieties of hops...I wonder if Lagunitas is just screwing with us, haha

 

[MikeyBrew11]

I'm going to an event on Sunday and the SoCal Lagunitas rep should be there. I'll ask her again and see what she has to say.

 

[ryancrook]

@jeffdill - Yeah I scratched my head when I got this back from Lagunitas.
@MikeyBrew11 - I'm curious to see what you find out from them. Keep the list I posted in mind too if you wouldn't mind.

 

[MikeyBrew11]

I'll print it so I don't forget. That's a lot of different hops to remember!

 

[MikeyBrew11]

So sadly, the Lagunitas rep never showed up as promised yesterday. The manager of the store keeps in contact with the company though, so I've asked him to ask them next time they speak.

 

[ryancrook]

Alright! I'm probably going to brew this on Sunday. Anyone try to harvest the yeast from this beer? I know it's not bottle conditioned.

 

[dillypo]

How did your batch turn out? Any updates?

 

[nickel78]

How did everyone's attempts at this clone go? I'm really dying to give this one a shot

 

[BrewmeisterSmith]

I just brewed the 2012 BYO recipe called Sumpin' Like Little Sumpin' Sumpin'. Its in the secondary with dry hops now. I'll bottle it up in a day or so. Smelled amazing. I'll post a comment 3 weeks after bottling.

 

[lockwom]

I would say it turned out spectacular. Lagunitas' clarity must be derived from filtration, whereas the absurd quantity of dry hops definitely adds that dry hop haze. A recent brew day lead most to concur it is a worthy beer, possibly besting the real deal; the unfiltered dry hop aroma is off the charts delicious.

On my second go, I will separately give the torrified wheat a protein rest prior to adding to the mash, FWH some of the later additions, and toast the malted wheat a bit longer.

Water profile worked well:
105 ppm Ca
18 ppm Mg
20 ppm Na
308 ppm SO4
45 ppm Cl

I would probably calm the sulfates and magnesium down a little bit next time, and let the hops speak for themselves.

 

[sloose]

I brewed this about six weeks ago, it's been in the bottle a week. It's very very close. I followed the instructions to a T, except I subbed out the bittering hop additions for an equivalent of magnum I had laying around, and used tettnanger. The beer is nearly identical flavor wise, the homebrew has a freshness advantage while the commercial is crisper. Left is commercial right is homebrew.

I'm happy I brewed it. I screwed up my sparge volumes a bit and ended up with 10 gals of preboil, so I ended up doing an an almost 150 minute boil to get where I needed to be.

 

[harry_the_face]

Lagunitas Brewery websites has a video that confirms:
All C hops
50% Roasted Wheat (3 different kinds of wheat)

I really want to make a clone of this so others that have tried it need to post their results.

http://lagunitas.com/beers/little-sumpin-sumpin/

 

[sloose]

Lagunitas Brewery websites has a video that confirms:
All C hops
50% Roasted Wheat (3 different kinds of wheat)

I really want to make a clone of this so others that have tried it need to post their results.

http://lagunitas.com/beers/little-sumpin-sumpin/

The can you brew it recipe uses a home roasted wheat.but only a lb or so iirc. The hops profile that their brewmaster gave is dead on, and it's not JUST c hops. The three wheats are white, roasted and torrified

 

[DiplomaticImmunity]

I just brewed the 2012 BYO recipe called Sumpin' Like Little Sumpin' Sumpin'.

Do you mind sharing the recipe? The interwebs are failing me at the moment and I am keen on cracking the code of this recipe. Thanks in advance.

 

[vtec4me21]

Do you mind sharing the recipe? The interwebs are failing me at the moment and I am keen on cracking the code of this recipe. Thanks in advance.

I don't have the BYO recipe but I have the one from Can You Brew It on the Brewing Network. This is the recipe straight from Lagunitas. I feel it's close to the original version and it turned out awesome. I did not make any adjustments to my water, used just city tap water so you're mileage may vary depending.

BeerSmith 2 Recipe
Recipe: Little Sumpin Sumpin
Style: American IPA
TYPE: All Grain

Recipe Specifications
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Boil Size: 7.55 gal
Post Boil Volume: 6.50 gal
Batch Size (fermenter): 5.25 gal
Bottling Volume: 5.25 gal
Estimated OG: 1.071 SG
Estimated Color: 5.8 SRM
Estimated IBU: 45.6 IBUs
Brewhouse Efficiency: 70.00 %
Est Mash Efficiency: 83.3 %
Boil Time: 60 Minutes

Ingredients:
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Amt Name Type # %/IBU
1 lbs Rice Hulls (0.0 SRM) Adjunct 1 6.6 %
7 lbs Pale Malt (2 Row) US (2.0 SRM) Grain 2 46.2 %
5 lbs 3.2 oz White Wheat Malt (2.4 SRM) Grain 3 34.3 %
1 lbs 12.0 oz Wheat, Torrified (1.7 SRM) Grain 4 11.6 %
3.2 oz Toasted Malt (77.0 SRM) Grain 5 1.3 %
0.39 oz Nugget [9.00 %] - Boil 60.0 min Hop 6 13.3 IBUs
0.20 oz Horizon [12.00 %] - Boil 60.0 min Hop 7 9.1 IBUs
0.20 oz Summit [17.50 %] - Boil 60.0 min Hop 8 13.2 IBUs
0.30 oz Williamette [5.20 %] - Boil 30.0 min Hop 9 3.0 IBUs
0.95 oz Santiam [5.60 %] - Boil 15.0 min Hop 10 5.4 IBUs
0.32 oz Williamette [5.20 %] - Boil 15.0 min Hop 11 1.7 IBUs
1.0 pkg London ESB Ale (Wyeast Labs #1968) [124. Yeast 12 -
0.85 oz Cascade [5.50 %] - Dry Hop 7.0 Days Hop 13 0.0 IBUs
0.85 oz Centennial [5.00 %] - Dry Hop 7.0 Days Hop 14 0.0 IBUs
0.85 oz Chinook [13.00 %] - Dry Hop 7.0 Days Hop 15 0.0 IBUs
0.85 oz Simcoe [13.00 %] - Dry Hop 7.0 Days Hop 16 0.0 IBUs
0.63 oz Amarillo Gold [8.50 %] - Dry Hop 7.0 Day Hop 17 0.0 IBUs
0.50 oz Columbus (Tomahawk) [14.00 %] - Dry Hop Hop 18 0.0 IBUs


Mash Schedule: Single Infusion, Light Body, Batch Sparge
Total Grain Weight: 15 lbs 2.4 oz
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Name Description Step Temperat Step Time
Mash In Add 4.54 gal of water at 162.4 F 150.0 F 60 min

Sparge: Batch sparge with 2 steps (Drain mash tun, , 5.07gal) of 168.0 F water
Notes:
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To toast the wheat malt (Tasty used white wheat), spread the malt on a cookie sheet. Preheat the oven to 150°F and toast the malt for twenty minutes, then raise it to 300° for another 45 minutes, stirring every 15 minutes. When it smells good, remove, cool and mill it and add it to the grist. Mash at 150°F for 60 minutes. Ferment at 62-65° for 36 hours. Raise to 68° for 36 hours and raise to 70°F.

 

[harry_the_face]

I brewed the BYO recipe and I would say it turned out better than the Lagunitas. I think this is my new favorite recipe. This will become a regular in my kegerator for sure.