Let's Partyyyy(gyle) that is!!!! Pumpkin Porter AND Ale from one mash!?!

[HItransplant]

Yeah, you treat this recipe as a normal recipe.

Sorry,
Use the base recipe and double or use the porter (60%) recipe and double?

Last question, I promise.

 

[Revvy]

The recipe you quoted and sent me, the one with 5.8 pounds of 2-row. THAT recipe is what the first runnings of the partygile is equal too.

This is the grainbill for the partyguille

Amount Item Type % or IBU
11 lbs oz Pale Malt (2 Row) US (2.0 SRM) Grain 70.97 %
1 lbs 8 oz Brown Malt (65.0 SRM) Grain 9.68 %
1 lbs 8 oz Munich Malt - 20L (20.0 SRM) Grain 9.68 %
8.0 oz Caramel/Crystal Malt - 40L (40.0 SRM) Grain 3.23 %
8.0 oz Caramel/Crystal Malt -120L (120.0 SRM) Grain 3.23 %
8.0 oz Chocolate Malt (350.0 SRM) Grain 3.23 %

60% or the first runnings is equal to the recipe you want to brew. That is a standalone recipe.

Pumpkin Porter
(First Runnings)

Calculated as 60% of the original grainbill

2.5 gallon batch

(equivalent to)

Amount Item Type % or IBU
5 lbs 6.8 oz Pale Malt (2 Row) US (2.0 SRM) Grain 70.97 %
11.8 oz Brown Malt (65.0 SRM) Grain 9.68 %
11.8 oz Munich Malt - 20L (20.0 SRM) Grain 9.68 %
3.9 oz Caramel/Crystal Malt - 40L (40.0 SRM) Grain 3.23 %
3.9 oz Caramel/Crystal Malt -120L (120.0 SRM) Grain 3.23 %
3.9 oz Chocolate Malt (350.0 SRM) Grain 3.23 %

(Hops)
0.75 oz Goldings, East Kent [5.00 %] (60 min) Hops 21.4 IBU
0.25 oz Fuggles [4.50 %] (15 min) Hops 3.2 IBU

(Pumpkin/Spices)
0.25 tsp Ground Allspice (Boil 15.0 min) Misc
0.25 tsp Ground Ginger (Boil 15.0 min) Misc
0.25 tsp Ground Nutmeg (Boil 5.0 min) Misc
0.50 tsp Ground Cinnamon (Boil 15.0 min) Misc
3.75 lb Canned Pumpkin (Boil 15.0 min) Misc

Est Original Gravity: 1.081 SG
Est Final Gravity: 1.021 SG
Estimated Alcohol by Vol: 7.90 %
Bitterness: 24.6 IBU Calories: 43 cal/pint
Est Color: 30.1 SRM

If you wanted to brew a straight amber ale, then you'd brew the one that is equivelent to 40%

 

[Jklinden]

Revvy any thoughts on a 10g partigyle split into two 5g batches? Can you dilute the first runnings down so you don't make a barleywine? With a 10g grainbill the first runnings would be very strong. I like the idea of a two for one...any thoughts?

 

[HItransplant]

60% or the first runnings is equal to the recipe you want to brew. That is a standalone recipe.

thanks for spelling it out .. much appreciated!!

 

[Revvy]

thanks for spelling it out .. much appreciated!!

Can't wait to hear how it turns out.

 

[HItransplant]

Can't wait to hear how it turns out.

I'll keep you posted

 

[HItransplant]

Oh, what yeast did you use?

 

[Revvy]

Us-05

 

[HItransplant]

Us-05

sweet..

thanks!

 

[HItransplant]

mash = 152 ?

 

[Revvy]

mash = 152 ?

It's been 2 years, but my Beersmith says 158.

 

[HItransplant]

It's been 2 years, but my Beersmith says 158.

Whew...that's high.

thanks again

 

[HItransplant]

Ok revvy...I took a stab at your pumpkin porter today.
Boy, that pumpkin is a bugger.

Things went pretty well (besides the huge mess) and the gravity sample tasted pretty darn good....here's hoping I nailed this on the first try.

Thanks again for all the help!

 

[urbanmyth]

The way I look at the parti gyle is that it is essentially a free beer. You get what comes out and it likely won't be to style, but who cares. It is free beer.

I hate to dig up this old thread, but I am attempting to plan a partigyle for next month, and I have a few questions.

Revvy says that you must plan to double the base recipe of the original 5 gallon (in Revvy's case, 2.5 gallon) beer. This equates, roughly, to a grain bill that costs twice as much as if you were only making the one beer. How is paying twice for two beers getting free beer?

I have done the math (I think I have, at least), extrapolated from the partigyle table from Mosher, and I come up with 15 pounds of base malt (A SMaSH with maris otter, but that is besides the point). But even if I mash thin, I can only get something along the lines of 4.7 gallons preboil. Not entirely sure how this is supposed to be a big enough wort to get up to the 1.100 OG I have calculated, even without adding water or a tiny bit of dilute sparge wort.

I supposed my real question is:

If I mean to brew two five gallon batches, should I plan around a ten gallon grain bill? And if yes, how on Earth would this have been cost effective for our old timey past brethren?

 

[dogbar]

Revvy says that you must plan to double the base recipe of the original 5 gallon (in Revvy's case, 2.5 gallon) beer. This equates, roughly, to a grain bill that costs twice as much as if you were only making the one beer. How is paying twice for two beers getting free beer?

You have to look at the full quote:

I made a barley wine and then added some other grain to make a porter. I also did an imperial stout 2nd runnings that turned into a roasty brown that was kind of awesome. The way I look at the parti gyle is that it is essentially a free beer.

If you're making a huge beer like a barleywine or RIS, then you're not sparging off anything close to all the sugars in the mash, because that would dilute the wort far more than you want. So in those cases, you are indeed getting free wort by doing a second runnings beer.

 

[TimpanogosSlim]

I am tentatively planning to brew 5.5g of the porter this coming weekend, in order for it to be well and truly ready by halloween.

Here's what I've come up with in brewtarget:


Pumpkin Porter - Robust Porter
================================================================================
Batch Size: 5.500 gal
Boil Size: 6.811 gal
Boil Time: 90.000 min
Efficiency: 70%%
OG: 1.066
FG: 1.016
ABV: 6.4%%
Bitterness: 31.2 IBUs (Tinseth)
Color: 28 SRM (Morey)

Fermentables
================================================================================
Name Type Amount Mashed Late Yield Color
Pale Malt (2 Row) US Grain 10.000 lb Yes No 79%% 2 L
Caramel/Crystal Malt - 40L Grain 8.000 oz Yes No 74%% 40 L
Caramel/Crystal Malt - 120L Grain 8.000 oz Yes No 72%% 120 L
Brown Malt (British Chocolate) Grain 1.500 lb Yes No 70%% 65 L
Munich Malt Grain 1.500 lb Yes No 80%% 9 L
Chocolate Malt (US) Grain 8.000 oz Yes No 60%% 350 L
Total grain: 14.500 lb

Hops
================================================================================
Name Alpha Amount Use Time Form IBU
East Kent Goldings 4.3%% 2.000 oz Boil 60.000 min Pellet 24.8
Fuggles 4.5%% 1.000 oz Boil 15.000 min Pellet 6.4

Misc
================================================================================
Name Type Use Amount Time
Irish Moss Fining Boil 2.000 tsp 15.000 min
Canned Pumpkin Other Boil 5.000 lb 15.000 min
Allspice, ground Spice Boil 0.500 tsp 15.000 min
Ginger, ground Spice Boil 0.500 tsp 15.000 min
Nutmeg, ground Spice Boil 0.500 tsp 15.000 min
Cinnamon, ground Spice Boil 1.000 tsp 15.000 min

Yeast
================================================================================
Name Type Form Amount Stage
Safale S-05 Ale Dry 2.232 tsp Primary


I'm not sure about the quantity of pumpkin - I assume that one large can is what I'm going for? Or is it two? or what? Libbey canned pumpkin and canned pumpkin filling (w/ spices, etc) is available year round in the right grocery stores in Utah. We're deadly serious about pie around here.

Right now I have 1 large can of libbey pumpkin, but i can get more of small or large cans any time i like.

Edit: Having actually read the side of the damn can, I see that it holds 1 pound 13 ounces. I'm going to need a few more of these, aren't i?

 

[TimpanogosSlim]

OK, did some more math, bothered to set up the mash in brewtarget, bought ingredients, here is what i am tentatively brewing sunday morning. If I'm smart enough to be heating up my strike water by like 8am.

(except that i ended up with 30L instead of 40L caramel, because that was what the LHBS had on the "American" shelf. The only import malt i am using in this brew is the brown malt (english))

Pumpkin Porter - Robust Porter
================================================================================
Batch Size: 5.407 gal
Boil Size: 6.718 gal
Boil Time: 90.000 min
Efficiency: 75%%
OG: 1.065
FG: 1.016
ABV: 6.4%%
Bitterness: 25.1 IBUs (Tinseth)
Color: 28 SRM (Morey)

Fermentables
================================================================================
Name Type Amount Mashed Late Yield Color
Pale Malt (2 Row) US Grain 8.750 lb Yes No 79%% 2 L
Caramel/Crystal Malt - 40L Grain 8.000 oz Yes No 74%% 40 L
Caramel/Crystal Malt - 120L Grain 8.000 oz Yes No 72%% 120 L
Brown Malt (British Chocolate) Grain 1.500 lb Yes No 70%% 65 L
Munich Malt Grain 1.500 lb Yes No 80%% 9 L
Chocolate Malt (US) Grain 8.000 oz Yes No 60%% 350 L
Total grain: 13.250 lb

Hops
================================================================================
Name Alpha Amount Use Time Form IBU
East Kent Goldings 4.8%% 1.500 oz Boil 60.000 min Pellet 21.2
Fuggles 3.6%% 0.750 oz Boil 15.000 min Pellet 3.9

Misc
================================================================================
Name Type Use Amount Time
Irish Moss Fining Boil 2.000 tsp 15.000 min
Canned Pumpkin Other Boil 5.437 lb 15.000 min
Allspice, ground Spice Boil 0.500 tsp 15.000 min
Ginger, ground Spice Boil 0.500 tsp 15.000 min
Nutmeg, ground Spice Boil 0.500 tsp 15.000 min
Cinnamon, ground Spice Boil 1.000 tsp 15.000 min

Yeast
================================================================================
Name Type Form Amount Stage
Safale S-05 Ale Dry 2.232 tsp Primary

Mash
================================================================================
Name Type Amount Temp Target Time
1st Infusion 6.000 gal 171.065 F 155.000 F 60.000 min
2nd Infusion 2.500 gal 182.447 F 158.000 F 30.000 min

According to the nutrition label on the cans, and some math, adding this much pumpkin to the boil adds 2.85 ounces of sugar. much of which may not be fermentable, or at least might not get fermented. i don't think it will throw off calculations much, except that all the other crud in the pumpkin will throw off hydro and refracto readings.

 

[TimpanogosSlim]

Brewed the porter today. Had a fine brew day on the porch with a storm brewing as well.

1st infusion was short by a gallon. oops. need to put marks on the HLT. Made it up in the 2nd. Mash temps were also a touch lower than i had planned but it basically worked out anyway.

ended up boiling the 1st runnings for 45 minutes before the 2nd were ready, volume ended up low by about a quart and a half. Found another quart lurking in the mash tun and will probably bring it to a boil in the microwave, throw some tinfoil over it until it cools, and then funnel it into the fermenter.

I've got a 5cf reach-in cooler i bought the other day for $35 *delivered that seems to hold steady at 60f way on the end of it's control dial, so I'm trying that as a fermentation vessel.

Pretty much made the numbers predicted by brewtarget. OG is actually closer to 1.066.

Used dry galangal instead of dry ginger, because somehow i can run out of ginger and not notice but I've got galangal, which is a close relative.

Smelled great. Gonna let it sit in primary for a month and then rack to a keg and let it condition until Halloween.

 

[TravisF]

This looks so amazing...I'm going to try it this weekend. Thanks guys for all the work you've put into this!

Revvy mentions at one point that he didn't have an carapills for head retention.

Would you still go with the original recipe? Or would you add the carapills? If you'd add it, how much?

Also, to do a 10g batch, would you just double everything, right?

 

[opXus]

Curious about using pumpkin. Looking to brew a pumpkin porter. Curious as to how much pumpkin to use (canned that it) and when to use it. Has anyone mashed the pumpkin? Or only in the boil? Looking for a 5 gallon batch.... and hoping to do it in january 2013

 

[deadfall]

I made a 12 gallon batch of this back in November. It's really starting to come around. Thanks revvy.

 

[Revvy]

I made a 12 gallon batch of this back in November. It's really starting to come around. Thanks revvy.

Wow glad this thread could help someone!!!!!!!:rockin:

 

[Sourz4life]

So I see you have a total of 3 recipes on the first post. The Partigyle Base and the 2 runs of porter. In your opinion which of the porters came out the best. I'll be making something similar but with a change up on the grain bill and hops so I was curious.

 

[Revvy]

So I see you have a total of 3 recipes on the first post. The Partigyle Base and the 2 runs of porter. In your opinion which of the porters came out the best. I'll be making something similar but with a change up on the grain bill and hops so I was curious.

What was the date on this thread? 7years ago....I can't remember what I had for lunch 2 days ago let alone lord knows how many brews ago. Sorry, can't help you with which was better.