LCD high-def, seriously?

[wildwest450]

For sports, second to none. For movies, I hate it. The "soap opera effect" looks ridiculous. To say it looks overly real seems silly, but it does. For HD movies, my DLP looks much more realistic imo. It seems that technology is getting to good.

 

[GilaMinumBeer]

I agree. For cartoon and standard def tv the LCD looks fine.

But nothing rivals the picture quality from HD sources over my DLP set. Love it!


Make sure all the processing features are turned off on your LCD and it will get better.

For reference I have a Sammy 55" LED LCD and a Sammy 67" LED DLP.

 

[IrregularPulse]

What is the soap opera effect? I think HD makes some shows seem like home movies. Is this what you mean?

 

[GilaMinumBeer]

Sort of, yes.

It is artifacting and smearing caused by the processor of the TV trying to deal with 24fps and 60fps video sources and the set having a native 120Hz/240Hz refresh rate. Something has to make up for the extra frames since they can;t be bothered anymore to allow a source to be played at a native resolution or refresh rate.

samsung describes the effect as an interpolation between frames. Basically the processors look at the 2 frames and the interpolate what should be between them to try to smooth out the picture. I guess the Samsung techs have bad eyesight in QC cause it is pretty obvious that the picture is artificial.

Wanna hear something really odd? Samsung says that if you rename the input to "Game" it turns off most all of the processors. I find this odd because they also say that setting the processor to "off" manually doesn't always turn it off. By design! WTF?

 

[Julohan]

On my tv I have a trumotion option. Which gives a home movie look. I keep always keep it off because it annoys me when its on.

 

[IrregularPulse]

My TV is "old" and not 120hz. Those were just coming out when we got ours.

 

[EoinMag]

One word: Bravia.

 

[JonW]

One word: Bravia.

Let me fix that... One word: Plasma.

 

[jbrookeiv]

Let me fix that... One word: Plasma.

+1. LOVE my plasma.

 

[wildwest450]

One word: Bravia.

Four words, I own a Bravia. And it's an outstanding picture, just annoying watching movies, the motion looks fake.

 

[Synovia]

Sort of, yes.

It is artifacting and smearing caused by the processor of the TV trying to deal with 24fps and 60fps video sources and the set having a native 120Hz/240Hz refresh rate. Something has to make up for the extra frames since they can;t be bothered anymore to allow a source to be played at a native resolution or refresh rate.

samsung describes the effect as an interpolation between frames. Basically the processors look at the 2 frames and the interpolate what should be between them to try to smooth out the picture. I guess the Samsung techs have bad eyesight in QC cause it is pretty obvious that the picture is artificial.

Wanna hear something really odd? Samsung says that if you rename the input to "Game" it turns off most all of the processors. I find this odd because they also say that setting the processor to "off" manually doesn't always turn it off. By design! WTF?

This is why I don't own a samsung TV.

 

[GilaMinumBeer]

This is why I don't own a samsung TV.

The same effect has been reported on Sony, Panasonic, Mitsubishi, and IIRC, LG. All 120Hz or better sets.

 

[wildwest450]

The same effect has been reported on Sony, Panasonic, Mitsubishi, and IIRC, LG. All 120Hz or better sets.

+1, they all do it as far as i've seen.

 

[GilaMinumBeer]

+1, they all do it as far as i've seen.

Yeah. I think he was poking at the Samsung hidden meaning tho'. That is, Off not really being Off. and Game mode being advertised as optimized for the gaming experience but actually being the one mode taht actually does turn all the crap off.

 

[Synovia]

The same effect has been reported on Sony, Panasonic, Mitsubishi, and IIRC, LG. All 120Hz or better sets.

Its easy to turn off in most sets. Samsung pretty much doesn't allow you to turn off pre-processing.

 

[DirtyPolock]

I'll stick with my plasma, it is just unbelieveable

 

[Styles]

I fully agree, HD is awesoem for sport, but I really don't like the super-real look it gives movies.

Call me old school, but I wanna see CRT's coming back!

 

[ChshreCat]

I have a CRT HDTV and it looks FANTASTIC! I'm still going to upgrade to a flatscreen since I want something a bit bigger, but for the last 6 years or so, I've been completely happy with my CRT.

 

[MetallHed]

For sports, second to none. For movies, I hate it. The "soap opera effect" looks ridiculous. To say it looks overly real seems silly, but it does. For HD movies, my DLP looks much more realistic imo. It seems that technology is getting to good.

Wow.. that is a perfect analogy.. I've always had a hard time coming up with a good comparison for that effect.. and couldn't ever drive the point to whoever I was talking to.

I think it's fine for TV, but I haven't watched too many movies with that effect. My parents have an Olivia that is pretty decent and looks good for movies. I just have a 57" RPTV.. works great for football!

 

[Synovia]

Just turn off all the preprocessing and it goes away. Its the interpolation that does it. You don't need it running.

 

[GilaMinumBeer]

Just turn off all the preprocessing and it goes away. Its the interpolation that does it. You don't need it running.

Set mine up on "Game" and everything cleared up. Ha.

 

[cruckin78]

I have a Panasonic 50" Plasma and I love it. I just tweeked the setting a bit from out of hte box and it looks great for everything movies, sports, etc.

My Living room the day it was all hooked up.

 

[GilaMinumBeer]

I have a Panasonic 50" Plasma and I love it. I just tweeked the setting a bit from out of hte box and it looks great for everything movies, sports, etc.

My Living room the day it was all hooked up.

Dang dude. That's a lot of cheese!

 

[wildwest450]

Isn't that fire going to melt the plasma?

 

[EoinMag]

Hmm I don't even know the effect you guys are talking about. I do remember older crappier HD sets having a weird picture effect, I don't see it with my Bravia at all.

I'd never buy a plasma screen, electricity is too expensive here.

 

[GilaMinumBeer]

I really debated between a 58" Plasma and the 55" LED LCD I ultimately chose. And these two sets were literally side by side in the store. I played around with settings (took them both out of demo mode)on both to balance them and this LCD had the better picture with the source in the store.

 

[SpanishCastleAle]

I have a Bravia and I'm not sure if I have the effect you guys are talking about. I prob do but I rarely watch movies. I do know that some tech-recommended settings I found online for my specific model made the picture much better. Basically you turn off all the BS filters/effects, turn the sharpness all the way down, turn down the backlight, and turn the contrast almost all the way up (like 94 or so). It looks very natural but still isn't a plasma.

 

[JonW]

I really debated between a 58" Plasma and the 55" LED LCD I ultimately chose. And these two sets were literally side by side in the store. I played around with settings (took them both out of demo mode)on both to balance them and this LCD had the better picture with the source in the store.

Most stores have the sets way too bright and just playing with the settings isn't going to get the plasma or LCD right for the situation. It may sound like overkill, but anyone spending the coin on a 50" or larger set may want to look at either getting a professional calibration done (which produces incredible results) or at least pick up either AVIA or Digital Video Essentials and do your own calibrations based on their test screens and filters.

 

[humann_brewing]

One word: Bravia.

sorry, I'm not in favor of communism

 

[GilaMinumBeer]

Most stores have the sets way too bright and just playing with the settings isn't going to get the plasma or LCD right for the situation. It may sound like overkill, but anyone spending the coin on a 50" or larger set may want to look at either getting a professional calibration done (which produces incredible results) or at least pick up either AVIA or Digital Video Essentials and do your own calibrations based on their test screens and filters.

Yes. In another life, I provided the Pro Calibrations services. But, it's not like you can haul your gear to the showroom when you are picking out a television so, the best you can do is try to balance the settings between the two to get some sort of reasonable comparison.

Taking the set out of Demo mode alone does wonders to calm down the settings.