Lagering is useless

[Toxxyc]

Interesting thread. I, for one, detect a large difference in beers that I lager (and ferment in a typical lager fashion) as opposed to beers made with ale yeasts. I've also gone so far as to lager beers made with ale yeasts (right at freezing for 4 months), but the results are the same - a lager, to me, is made by the yeast, not your typical process. I've made a Marzen a few weeks ago and the keg is about to kick. I fermented it for 3 weeks and lagered it for 4 weeks after that, before pitching into the keg. 2 weeks in the keg and it's a different beer than the sample I pulled and bottled after fermentation was complete. It's smoother, lighter, more crisp and, obviously, absolutely crystal clear.

I, for one, will keep lagering. It takes nothing from me and I enjoy doing it. Puts "value" on my homebrews, for me.

 

[Vale71]

Actually, I was surprised to discover that locals were still fond of Munich Oktoberfest (granted, not all of them...).

Die Wies'n was about to go bust in the 80s because locals were deserting it. It was saved by tourists, especially Italians that even got a whole weekend for them.

Lately the locals started complaining about not being able to be seated in the tents whenever they found it convenient and tried to push for priority reservations for locals. Typical Bavarian attitude...

 

[Taket_al_Tauro]

especially Italians that even got a whole weekend for them.

The famous "italian weekend", the one in the middle if I am not mistaken? Much dreaded by Bavarian girls

Typical Bavarian attitude...

They have a saying "Mia san mia..."

Die Wies'n was about to go bust in the 80s because locals were deserting it.

Edit: I would have never imagined that something like Wies'n was ever in danger of going bust.

 

[Birrofilo]

You are probably referring to what they call "Münchner Biergartenkultur". I miss that culture a lot...

No I am referring to real "Fests", when I was in Munich there were three simultaneously, in August.

The Biergartenkultur is another very nice feature of German culture. I think that Germans are generally speaking hungry of sun and being in the open, maybe that is because they generally don't have balconies in their flats (something that struck me when I was visiting Germany) and also they don't see much sun for reasons of cold or cloudiness. So when the season is right, or the temperature is right, they like to stay in the open air, more than Italians on the whole. When it is a sunny summer day I see young teen-ager Germans going around as if they were on the seaside, as if they want to "profit" as much as possible from the sun.

 

[Vale71]

Edit: I would have never imagined that something like Wies'n was ever in danger of going bust.

Have you seen their jacked-up prices?