American Pale Ale Kona, Fire Rock Pale Ale (AG Clone)

[Donner]

If you have the patience and can get them...I'd go for the American Cascade. The flavor is distinctly different. You'd have a good beer, but not a Kona clone. I think if you take the tough route and wait for the right hops...months from now when you're still enjoying this beer...you'll be glad you did.

I'll probably see what i can find online then. I still have to make my MLT anyway, so i can afford to be patient. I am still new enough to all of this that i'd rather take some time, do it right and get some firm experience before i go experiment with different ingredients.

Also, i meant to ask, for your suggested hop/schedule, were you referring to pellet hops or whole leaf? I assume it makes a difference, but i just thought of the question and i haven't done the proper research to answer the question yet.

 

[BierMuncher]

...Also, i meant to ask, for your suggested hop/schedule, were you referring to pellet hops or whole leaf? I assume it makes a difference, but i just thought of the question and i haven't done the proper research to answer the question yet.

I prefer pellets. The sludge is easier to wash down the shop sink when I'm done.

 

[Aubie Stout]

What does the late addition of Mnt Hood bring to this party? I love Kona and this is probably my next brew. Figure to FWH some of those Cascade, but everything else leave the same.


Thanks,

 

[BierMuncher]

What does the late addition of Mnt Hood bring to this party?

Just a little complexity. I liked the slight grassy notes of a low alpha late addition. Kind gets away from the all-citrus blends.

 

[Aubie Stout]

I got an ounce of Willamette lying around. I'll make an addition @ 5mins with it. Brewing tomorrow!

 

[Displaced MassHole]

This was by far my best brew since starting 4 years ago!! One question though, BM, what would using regular 2-row (rahr) do to this. Its much cheaper than the MO, I'd like to get the same flavor as before but for a little less cash.

 

[Aubie Stout]

PS: I have wlp002 lying around along with some s-04 and s-05. I've done pale ales with wlp001 and they are too dry for me. I was leaning toward the wlp002. Will that fit well?

 

[DylansDad]

Scratch that last comment. Oak Barrell had the hops.

I'm looking forward to making this.

 

[BierMuncher]

This was by far my best brew since starting 4 years ago!! One question though, BM, what would using regular 2-row (rahr) do to this. Its much cheaper than the MO, I'd like to get the same flavor as before but for a little less cash.

I've made this before using Rahr. No detectable difference.

The grain bill is just big enough and the hops additions flavorful enough to make any difference in flavor (if there really were any).

 

[Aubie Stout]

Also have wlp051. Maybe I need to try that!

 

[Aubie Stout]

Transferred to secondary this week. Tastes fantastic! I used the wlp051 and I really like the results. Finally found a yeast I like.

 

[maximus0430]

This was my first AG brew and it turned out great. Thanks for the recipe.

 

[Aubie Stout]

Best tasting beer I have ever bottled. Can't wait till it's carb'd!

 

[Kugster]

I’m not one to pat myself on the back but this is one spot-on clone of Kona’s Fire Rock Pale Ale.

As APA’s go, it’s still malty enough to really stand out as a very flavorful beer without overdoing the bitterness. I substituted Centennial for the Galena and dry hopped this batch with 1/2 Oz of Centennial for 7 days. That really gave it a nice “Whoosh” I was looking for.

This is maltier and more robust in flavor than SNPA in my opinion. If you love the hop flavor / aroma without the high bitterness, this is perfect.

Anyway, whether you like or don’t like Kona Pale Ale, this clone will get you dangerously close.


Recipe Specifications
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Batch Size: 11.00 gal
Boil Size: 14.40 gal
Estimated OG: 1.053 SG
Estimated Color: 6.7 SRM
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Estimated IBU: 35.2 IBU
Brewhouse Efficiency: 72.0 %
Boil Time: 90 Minutes

Ingredients:
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Amount
18.00 lb Pale Malt, Maris Otter (3.0 SRM)
2.00 lb Munich Malt (9.0 SRM)
1.00 lb Honey Malt (25.0 SRM)
0.50 lb Cara-Pils/Dextrine (2.0 SRM)

1.00 oz Centennial [9.50%] (60 min)
0.50 oz Cascade [7.80%] (40 min)
0.50 oz Cascade [7.80%] (30 min)
0.50 oz Cascade [7.80%] (20 min)
0.50 oz Cascade [7.80%] (10 min)
0.50 oz Mt Hood [3.70%] (5 min)

1 Pkgs German Ale/Kolsch (White Labs #WLP029) Yeast-Ale

Dry hop with ½ Oz of Centennial per 5-gallons for 5-7 days.

Mashed at 154.

Primary for two weeks then straight to keg.
Cold conditioned keg (in garage) for 10 days, then to gas
Crystal clear right out of the tap.

View attachment 4171

BM, do you continue to use the German Ale/Kolsch yeast?

 

[billym99]

I brewed this recipe about 1.5 months ago... tapped the keg about three weeks ago, started drinking about two weeks ago, polished keg of last night. Turned out very good, and I will agree that it is very similar to Fire Rock Pale Ale. Needless to say it will be brewed again, very soon. I'm currently getting equipment together to step up to 10-15 gallon batches, this will probably be my first double...

FYI, my only edit to the recipe was yeast... I used SafAle 04 on this batch.

 

[Aubie Stout]

Best beer I've made to date. It tasted so good moving it from primary to secondary that I went ahead and made it again. Now that the first batch is ready, I'm glad I made the second!


On the second batch I had to sub Amarillo for Centennial on the bittering. Interested if I can pick out any difference. The WLP051 is my new go to yeast.

 

[BierMuncher]

Best beer I've made to date. ...

Now that's what I like to hear.

I knocked out another 10-gallons Wednesday night. Hopefully the keg I just tapped will hold out till it's done...but I doubt it.

 

[Saccharomyces]

IMO a lot of the character of the Kona original is the unique fruitiness of the Kolsch strain... if you use another yeast I'm sure it'll be good, but it won't be exactly the same as the original.

 

[Displaced MassHole]

Today I'm doing a brew-over of this one. Had a sixer of the real thing last night and now I want more!!! I'm tired of this break from brewing that I've taken to work on the single tier. It's not 100% done yet but I just installed one of the burners to do this brew.

 

[Donner]

I was going to brew this today, but i'm not sure about my starter. My yeast was two months past it's best by date and i think it smelled a little different than most other yeasts i've used. I've never used kolsch yeast before, but it was more carmel and less yeasty. Plus, it's been in my starter for 36 hours and while it may not have been at 70 degrees the entire time, there hasn't seemed to be any activity. I"m trying to decide whether to order my yeast and put this on hold or go ahead and make it and see what happens with this yeast.

Any suggestions?

 

[Displaced MassHole]

DOOOOO IT!!!

You should think of reasons not to do stuff with the wife.......never a reason to not brew!

 

[billym99]

Brewed my second batch last night... only did a 5 gal since I don't have all of my 10 gal equipment yet. Made the same yeast substitution as last time, other then that exactly the same. Can't wait to kill this batch!

 

[Displaced MassHole]

Just kegged 10 gallons last night......the wait is going to kill me. My pipeline is almost empty

 

[berwick12]

I going to give this recipie a shot tomorrow, I picked up a WY1056 to use, and I'm going to do the partial mash.
My big question is does interchanging a malt change anything, i.e. flavor, body, head, much if it on the same lovibond scale. The reason why I ask is because they didn't have honey malt at my homebrew store. The owner directed me to use a vienna malt at the same 20-25deg. L scale instead.

 

[Jonnio]

Sounds like one worth trying...thanks BM.

 

[wheatme]

any chance you have a clone for coconut porter ?

 

[oteixeira]

Any way to get the pale ale in an extract version for 5.5 gal??

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[caughtablaze]

seconds on the extract version if you dont mind!!!

-blair

 

[BierMuncher]

I edited the original post to include extract with steeped grains. Should get you very close.

 

[oteixeira]

You sir ROCK!


Is this 11 gallon or 5.5 gallon extract setup? Seems like a lot of DME?



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