Keeping a commercial keg, actually illegal?

[user 4295]

Holy crap....it's not stealing!!!! Think about it...you paid the security deposit boneheads....if you stole it, then you would have essentially walked into the store and taken it. You didn't do that....you just didn't bring it back. If you accidentally broke the keg while consuming the beer....would that also be a crime? NOOOOOO!!! Derr....security deposit people. This is also why insurance exists.

I'll ignore the fact that you called everyone who disagrees with you a bonehead and simply ask, when you pay a security deposit on an apartment do you now own the apartment?

 

[JollyIsTheRoger]

Holy crap....it's not stealing!!!! Think about it...you paid the security deposit boneheads....if you stole it, then you would have essentially walked into the store and taken it. You didn't do that....you just didn't bring it back. If you accidentally broke the keg while consuming the beer....would that also be a crime? NOOOOOO!!! Derr....security deposit people. This is also why insurance exists.

This posts screams fraud to me, especially with the insurance comment. You pay a security deposit when you rent a car, that doesn't mean you get to keep the car. When you get a keg you are buying the beer and borrowing the vessel. Notice how if you get a growler from a brewery you pay for the growler and then pay to refill it. The growler is yours because you paid for it(full price not a fractional deposit).

 

[user 4295]

As I stated previously, it astonishes me how our society has blurred the line between right and wrong so much that people can't tell the difference anymore, if they even care!

 

[Toecutter]

One could argue that the keg has depreciated in value due to usage over time down to the amount of the deposit

Btw- I have a local place that sells kegged beer only. He will sell me a keg any day of the week for the deposit amount of $35. even lets me pick through the pile for the best ones.

This thread just reminded me I need to go pick up a couple more.

 

[user 4295]

One could argue that the keg has depreciated in value due to usage over time down to the amount of the deposit

Right, and if you rented a car and crashed it, lowering it's value to that of the security deposit, you could just keep the rental car, right?

 

[Toecutter]

Right, and if you rented a car and crashed it, lowering it's value to that of the security deposit, you could just keep the rental car, right?

well no. My insurance would pay it off and retain ownership of the wreck.

 

[PapaO]

It's amazing how far we as a society have fallen when we are even feeling the need to ask this question! Of course stealing from someone is illegal! It doesn't matter who the someone is, or the amount of $$ involved. Anything other than calling it what it is, THEFT, is simply one trying to justify their actions.

At what point did I steal the keg? When I tried to return it without a receipt? I’m just asking whose keg is it if you have my deposit and I have your keg. It’s there system that says no receipt no deposit back. I got a keg from a friend 2 years ago who could not get his deposit back. I E-Mailed asking how to get my deposit back and got no response. Did I steal this keg? If I buy a keg off CL because they can’t get there deposit back is that stealing? All I said is its my keg until I get my deposit back.

 

[blueballsbrewer]

I'll ignore the fact that you called everyone who disagrees with you a bonehead and simply ask, when you pay a security deposit on an apartment do you now own the apartment?

Wow...once again you are trying to relate two totally unrelated things. The security deposit on an apartment covers damages to the apartment or if you break lease early. The security deposit on a keg covers damage and or instances where you don't return it. The security deposits cover completely different things. I never once said that you "owned" the keg...but since you paid the deposit that enables you to legally keep the keg without any other financial losses other than the security deposit...then why not. If you decide to punch holes in your apartment...well...then you lose your security deposit derrrr. Get off your damn moral high horse and realize that the question here is not about whether it is moral to take a keg for the security deposit alone....but if it IS ILLEGAL.....I can assure you, that if you do not return a keg, but pay the deposit....no cops are ever going to take a second look at the case. Wake up people. :rockin::rockin:

 

[blueballsbrewer]

This posts screams fraud to me, especially with the insurance comment. You pay a security deposit when you rent a car, that doesn't mean you get to keep the car. When you get a keg you are buying the beer and borrowing the vessel. Notice how if you get a growler from a brewery you pay for the growler and then pay to refill it. The growler is yours because you paid for it(full price not a fractional deposit).

Ok...that's my point. Who ever asked you to buy the keg and then pay to get it filled. Its a rental doooooood! If you don't return the rental...you lose the deposit....problem solved. Get off your damn moral high horse and realize that the question here is not about whether it is moral to take a keg for the security deposit alone....but if it IS ILLEGAL.....I can assure you, that if you do not return a keg, but pay the deposit....no cops are ever going to take a second look at the case. Wake up people.

 

[thargrav]

Wow...once again you are trying to relate two totally unrelated things. The security deposit on an apartment covers damages to the apartment or if you break lease early. The security deposit on a keg covers damage and or instances where you don't return it. The security deposits cover completely different things. I never once said that you "owned" the keg...but since you paid the deposit that enables you to legally keep the keg without any other financial losses other than the security deposit...then why not. If you decide to punch holes in your apartment...well...then you lose your security deposit derrrr. Get off your damn moral high horse and realize that the question here is not about whether it is moral to take a keg for the security deposit alone....but if it IS ILLEGAL.....I can assure you, that if you do not return a keg, but pay the deposit....no cops are ever going to take a second look at the case. Wake up people. :rockin::rockin:

Everyone on this thread knows what the deposit is for - they hold $35.00 of YOUR money until YOU return THEIR KEG. And just because the cops don't come knocking on your door doesn't make it right.

So, if have no issues keeping their keg I have no issues with you keeping their keg, but I won't do it myself. About as far as I go is I will keep a keg to turn in for the next one.

Also, I'm sure that the breweries do a good job of managing their kegs and if they see too many not returning then they will just raise the deposit. The end result will be that everyone will pay a higher deposit on a keg of beer.

 

[blueballsbrewer]

Everyone on this thread knows what the deposit is for - they hold $35.00 of YOUR money until YOU return THEIR KEG. And just because the cops don't come knocking on your door doesn't make it right.

Once again....the OP is NOT asking for your opinions regarding the morality of keeping the keg....just the LEGALITY.

So, if have no issues keeping their keg I have no issues with you keeping their keg, but I won't do it myself. About as far as I go is I will keep a keg to turn in for the next one.

Good for you bro. Again...not relevant.

Also, I'm sure that the breweries do a good job of managing their kegs and if they see too many not returning then they will just raise the deposit. The end result will be that everyone will pay a higher deposit on a keg of beer.

OK...that's what I said before. Free market baby....I personally would be much happier if liquor stores and breweries asked for a higher security deposit....it will keep us honest. I have never obtained a keg in this manner either...but I am doing my best the answer the OP's question instead of turning this into a morality debate like the rest of you clearly are doing a great job at doing.

 

[blueballsbrewer]

That's the best analogy I've seen on this topic.

... or the worst

 

[blueballsbrewer]

Next time any of you pickup a keg, ask them. Ask them straight up. "So what happens if I don't return the keg?" They're just going to say they'll keep your money. Both sides are now whole. No judge on this planet would ever order any more monies to be paid nor convict on any criminal charges.

Thank you!!!!! No seriously.....THANK YOU!!! :rockin::rockin:

 

[blueballsbrewer]

Bottom line is these threads are foolish, we're not your conscience. If you think it's ok to take a keg that cost's over $100 for $40 go do it, no one here cares.

Don't whine when the price of commercial beer goes up.

Dude WTF....he never asked you for your stooopid opinion about his moral conscience. He ONLY was asking about the LEGALITY. READ THE OP PEOPLE!!!! :rockin::rockin:

 

[blueballsbrewer]

All this talk about the morality of returning a keg is bringing me down like a mentally handicapped rooster. Wish I wasn't at work so I could have a beer and forget about all this nonsense.

 

[deprecated]

I've no idea to the legality of it. If we can find some precedence, then maybe it would be objective. Of course the morality of it is subjective.

There is only one thing I'm certain of. All of life's questions can be answered from one of several Fight Club quotes.

Narrator: A new car built by my company leaves somewhere traveling at 60 mph. The rear differential locks up. The car crashes and burns with everyone trapped inside. Now, should we initiate a recall? Take the number of vehicles in the field, A, multiply by the probable rate of failure, B, multiply by the average out-of-court settlement, C. A times B times C equals X. If X is less than the cost of a recall, we don’t do one.

Woman on plane: Are there a lot of these kinds of accidents?

Narrator: You wouldn’t believe.

Woman on plane: Which car company do you work for?

Narrator: A major one.

Right now, A times B times C = X. X = $35. If too many people start keeping their kegs, then X goes up.

 

[hoghead]

https://www.homebrewtalk.com/f14/police-really-258281/
bet this guy would like to hear your ideas about the police not showing up.

 

[blueballsbrewer]

i've no idea to the legality of it. If we can find some precedence, then maybe it would be objective. Of course the morality of it is subjective.

There is only one thing i'm certain of. All of life's questions can be answered from one of several fight club quotes.



Right now, a times b times c = x. X = $35. If too many people start keeping their kegs, then x goes up.

epic win!!!

 

[blueballsbrewer]

https://www.homebrewtalk.com/f14/police-really-258281/
bet this guy would like to hear your ideas about the police not showing up.

This doesn't help your case. Sounds like this is just another classic example of a$$hole goes and complains to the police and the police do nothing about it. Case closed.

 

[hoghead]

if it was perfectly legal wouldn't the cops tell the complainer that keeping kegs is legal and not even go talk to him?

 

[rico567]

It's amazing how far we as a society have fallen when we are even feeling the need to ask this question! Of course stealing from someone is illegal! It doesn't matter who the someone is, or the amount of $$ involved. Anything other than calling it what it is, THEFT, is simply one trying to justify their actions.

The activity of ethics is asking questions to determine the correct course of action. No matter what we may think of the manner in which someone goes about asking such questions, they are ethical questions, and therefore valid. I don't think the questions would even be asked if they weren't causing doubt as to the correct course of action.

Morality- well, as someone said, the moral man acts in the correct way without having to engage in ethical questions. If your statement "-how far we as a society have fallen-" is mean to imply that we were at some time in the past a unthinkingly moral society, somehow unified in right action.......then you and I have read history books about two different universes.

 

[Yooper]

In some states, the cost of the deposit is set by law, and not by the brewery. A $50 deposit does NOT cover the cost to replace the keg, but Airborneguy (a cop in NY) says that it's legal in NY to keep a keg for the deposit. In my state, it is not. Same with those milk crates at the store- they belong to the dairy and not the store, just like the kegs belong to the brewery and not the beer store or bar.

Since this is going nowhere, and not in the Debate Forum, this thread is closed. We've beaten this dead horse far longer than necessary.